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Old 10-20-2015, 10:27 AM
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Winter/Snow performance: KO2's vs Duratracs

Hi all, new to the forum and im straight in with a question!

Im in the UK and in the market for some 285/75R16 AT's. Im buying these for better winter performance over my current KM2's, which i'll be selling and hopefully just running the AT's year round, so it isnt purely the winter performance im buying them on, but i know both tyres are great all rounders anyway, so its not really affecting the decision.

So, my heart is set on the Goodyear duratracs, i read nothing but good things about them and most importantly for me, their snow/ice/winter performance is supposed to be brilliant. The kicker for me is that it doesnt look like Goodyear are going to supply any more Duratracs in 285/75R16's into the UK, so my only option is to import some from the states.

The next option that im not quite as keen on (Purely looks based) is the new KO2's. I can get these easily and for around $200 per tyre, so not too expensive either. My concern is i have barely read anything about their snow/ice/winter performance.

I would love the Duratracs, but at the minute, despite the tyres being about the same price to me, im going to have to pay an extra $100 per tyre or so (Making the duratracs $300 a tyre) just to import them into the UK. I'll add that i don't mind doing this if the winter performance of the duratrac is that much better, but am i being daft and should just go for the KO2's and be happy? The thing putting me off the KO2's is that i had an original set of the KO's and they were pretty crappy in the snow. I know the new KO2 is supposed to have improved on a lot of areas, I'd just like some real world feedback of how they handle winter conditions.

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Old 10-20-2015, 10:32 AM   #2
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KO2 are amazing in winter! I would rate them even higher than duratracs. I rode on KO2 last winter and only had to put the jeep in 4hi a few times when 10" of fresh snow was outside. they track and grip on everything.

I have duratracs now, as I was not happy with mud performance of KO2s and where I offroad, there is always mud. couple times in good rain, duratracs lost traction momentarily, nothing drastic, but I never had KO2 skip a beat in similar conditions

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I live in Buffalo, NY, where winters can be pretty harsh. Any day I wake up could be ice, slush, a dusting of snow, 3 feet of snow, and everything in between. We have wet snow, dry snow, hail, you name it. Now let me preface this by saying I'm talking anout on road driving only, no off road. I've driven on Duratracs for 3 winters, and I have been so underwhelmed with the winter performance of them that now I need new tires, I am going to try the KO2s this year. Before the Duratracs I had the original AT KOs and in my opinion, those were hands down better than the Duratracs. I read the reviews too about how the Duratrac was supposedly phenomenal in winter conditions, but mine were just a disappointment for all the hype they get.
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I've run the KO a few times and the General Grabber AT2 which is similar. Both were horrendous in snow. I assume the KO2 will also be terrible in snow since they hardly changed the center of the tread pattern at all.

I have seen numerous reviews on various forums and articles that also discuss their poor snow performance.

The reason they are terrible for snow is the same reason they are terrible for mud: the interlocked tread pattern can't evacuate the nasty stuff and keep biting. They turn into racing slicks very quickly and become dangerous.

I have also used the Duratrac and it's amazing in the snow, but it is slightly less confident on rainy roadways. Overall it's a superior tire to the KO however.

Truthfully, if an AT tire for winter is what you're after, there are dozens of better options on the market like the Toyo Open Country ATII, Cooper Discoverer ATW, Hankook Dynapro ATm, etc. etc.
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I ran KO2 for a whole Chicago winter, so no matter what the theory behind it, they absolutely rocked in the packed and fresh snow, on ice and everywhere else. I was getting to work after snowfall as fast as on usual day by swerving to unplowed lane and going my usual 40-45 mph in 4HI with LSD in the rear - like on rails
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you get snow in the UK?
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Some reports I saw from tests done during winter here in Canada is that the KO2 were almost as good as the Cooper ATW, Duratracs were not tested. I would say for UK winters the KO2 would be good enough.
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Actual users rate the KO2 very well. It seems only those who haven't used it are the ones saying it won't work.

Advice from real world users say it works, advice from those that haven't used it say it won't.

I think I'll believe those who have used it over those who haven't.

FWIW, my Duratracs went very good in the wet stuff. Never tried them in the snow.
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you get snow in the UK?
Just a bit, maybe not Canada figures but we get a good few feet higher up;



I also volunteer for 4x4 response who help emergency services in the winter, so we usually end up being in the worst of the weather!

Ok, some interesting points here, thanks for the info so far!

Goodyear are now saying they can send me a set of Duratracs over with other tyres but I'm going to have to wait a month or so for them. But now that the tyres are looking to be around the same price, and no one seems to say that one is better than the other in snow, i'll probably go for the more aggressive duratracs as my heart was already set on them! Its good to know that the KO2 can still hold its own in the snow though if Goodyear don't deliver in the end!

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I have to say I have been pretty impressed with my 34x10.5-17 KO2's. I swap back and forth between those and my 35x12.5-17 Toyo AT2's and the KO2's are pretty darn good.
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Just a bit, maybe not Canada figures but we get a good few feet higher up;



I also volunteer for 4x4 response who help emergency services in the winter, so we usually end up being in the worst of the weather!

Ok, some interesting points here, thanks for the info so far!

Goodyear are now saying they can send me a set of Duratracs over with other tyres but I'm going to have to wait a month or so for them. But now that the tyres are looking to be around the same price, and no one seems to say that one is better than the other in snow, i'll probably go for the more aggressive duratracs as my heart was already set on them! Its good to know that the KO2 can still hold its own in the snow though if Goodyear don't deliver in the end!

Thanks again guys

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If you help emergency services and end up in the worst of weather - wouldn't a dedicated winter tire be the only alternative?
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I've never run KO2s, but have run Duratracs on an '11 Power Wagon and a couple of F250s, and they were superb. I ran them with studs, which you can't do on the KO2s. I really like studs in the early Spring, when you're driving downhill on a Forest Service road and hit a patch of ice in a shady stretch. I think that you have to distinguish between on and off-road snow. My guess, as I haven't tried KO2s, is that Duratrac will do better off-road and KO2s will do better on the road, when it comes to snow. There are a few different kinds of snow, too.
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If you help emergency services and end up in the worst of weather - wouldn't a dedicated winter tire be the only alternative?
Exactly ^^^^

Forget the 3 season tires. Get a real winter tire.
DTs and KOs are no comparison... I've run them all and Yokohama Geolanders blow them away.
i stopped.. took the photo.. backed up 5 feet and kept going. No AllSeason Snowflake tire will do that.
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I probably would be better with a winter tyre, but as its a volentary service, im not shelling out for a second set of tyres when i can get an all terrain that will do the job i need, and i can use it all year round.

The impression i get about winter tyres is that they help massively with on-road snow/ice driving, but when the snow gets deeper, you are equally as better off with a more aggressive tyre. Is that correct?

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I probably would be better with a winter tyre, but as its a volentary service, im not shelling out for a second set of tyres when i can get an all terrain that will do the job i need, and i can use it all year round.

The impression i get about winter tyres is that they help massively with on-road snow/ice driving, but when the snow gets deeper, you are equally as better off with a more aggressive tyre. Is that correct?

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Ask Thatjeepguy - He knows a thing or two about more aggressive tires for a combination of wintery roads and off road. And Cdeslandes with "normal" dedicated winter tires and experience in depths of snow.

This is the way I am going - because I can (nokian 8 with studs) If not, I would have done the same, without the studs or the same tire as Thatjeepguy.
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Winter tyres aren't very common in the UK, we don't see the amount of snow that you do in Sweden, and studded tyres are illegal here. How do winter tyres work in summer? I've seen a few people now saying they run them year round?
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Winter tyres aren't very common in the UK, we don't see the amount of snow that you do in Sweden, and studded tyres are illegal here. How do winter tyres work in summer? I've seen a few people now saying they run them year round?
Hi Rich,

Winter tires in the summer - not a good idea either. Wears more than you'd like.

There is another thread here that you should read:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/wi...1437098-2.html
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I probably would be better with a winter tyre, but as its a volentary service, im not shelling out for a second set of tyres when i can get an all terrain that will do the job i need, and i can use it all year round.

The impression i get about winter tyres is that they help massively with on-road snow/ice driving, but when the snow gets deeper, you are equally as better off with a more aggressive tyre. Is that correct?

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Wrong

Winter tires out perform the AllSeason Mud & Snow tires in any depth of snow. All the tiny grooves and sipes fill with snow which packs like a snowball. If you are easy on the throttle and do not spin out a winter tire will go way farther than a Mud & Snow grip.

See the photo I posted... See the photo the OP posted? I was not stuck.

As for cost? Winter tires are usually less than the DTs, KOs you dream of so you actually save by not miling up the AllSeasons in the winter.
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Wrong

Winter tires out perform the AllSeason Mud & Snow tires in any depth of snow. All the tiny grooves and sipes fill with snow which packs like a snowball. If you are easy on the throttle and do not spin out a winter tire will go way farther than a Mud & Snow grip.

See the photo I posted... See the photo the OP posted? I was not stuck.

As for cost? Winter tires are usually less than the DTs, KOs you dream of so you actually save by not miling up the AllSeasons in the winter.
Billiebob is spot on - you want a tire that packs the snow to get friction - none of the other does. You also see those tiny "grooves" in the picture I posted.
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My experience in our TJ is that the BFGs didn't work on the snow as well after they were half worn. I've never been scared in any weather with the Duratracs on either or TJ or F150. The DTs just eat right through the Chicago snow. Like another person posted, I drive in the unplowed lane with no problems and avoid all of the traffic.

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