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Old 10-09-2018, 05:15 PM
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10k or 12k winch for 17 JKUR

Bought a Smittybilt X20 10K winch. Haven't opened it yet. Now second guessing if I should have got the 12K? This is going on a 17 JKUR sitting on 3.5 MC lift, 315/70 tires, MC bumper, Rockhard rock rails. In the southwest - no mud. Mainly to be used if I get hung up on rocks. Is 10K enough?

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I have used a 10K for years and wheel in the snow and it has always pulled me out.

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10K is more than enough.
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It sounds like you'll be fine, I think. If you were having to deal with mud suction, maybe I'd rethink it.

The general rule I've read for years is the weight of the vehicle multiplied by 1.5. I like having too much winch, so I'd say multiply by 1.75 or 2, but I'm certainly not the pro on such matters.
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I have a 15 JKUR. Just got the X20 12K but my decision was 100% based on if I cared about the price difference between the 10K and 12K. That's not to say the 10K isn't plenty for your needs. It would probably be enough for my needs as well but the 12K was within my budget so why not go wild...
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As another non expert who has been reading around, 10k seems far and away the most common choice for JKU. And the 1.5x weight says even that is overkill unless you have more than a literal ton of mods and gear added.
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Bought a 12K X2O for my 2008 JKU I wouldn’t bother with the 10K for the price difference.
Rule of thumb, winch should be capable of at least double the vehicle weight.. So if your rig weighs over 5Klbs. the 12k should be your choice.
I.E. a 7K Power wagon would use a 15k winch.


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I went 10.5K merely because it was sale at the time, but I would have liked the 12 or 15. Not that a 10.5 won't do but for the most part a bigger winch means its less apt to break or strain on the harder pulls. I've bogged down into mud pits twice now and the suction getting out adds quite the strain.
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As another non expert who has been reading around, 10k seems far and away the most common choice for JKU. And the 1.5x weight says even that is overkill unless you have more than a literal ton of mods and gear added.

I'm not so sure I believe that 1.5x stuff.


So much of it depends on pulling angles, distance to be pulled... etc.


If I can hook high on a tree to lift and pull at the same time for example, while using a snatch block and double up the lines, then sure no sweat. But if I have to do a straight head on pull out of deep mud because of no advantage angles and with a single line because I don't have enough to double up, it's a pretty serious strain which relies on nothing but brute force.


Personally I say look at the worst case scenario and go as big as your wallet will let you.
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I can say that a T-Max 10,000 or 11,000 (don't remember which) lasted many years of wheeling mud and deep snow. Not only that but got used just as much logging out firewood every year too. Two tear downs with re-grease and once a new control box was my pitiful maintenance of a worthy tool.


You should be just fine with your purchase, enjoy the trails.


BTW, I just added a 9,500 Comeup to the JK and have no worries.
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Per WARN which co. Take your GVWR and Multiply by 1.5 and that give you number you need. For my 13 JKU the gvwr is 5500 times 1.5 is 8250 so i got a 10k winch
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I have an m8000 (8K) and have no concerns whatsoever....
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In the mud your weight is doubled by suction. So if you never go in mud then no worries.
I’ve seen an 8k stall on a Taco stuck in clay.


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Some of the 12k and 10k winches use the same motor, just a difference in gearing. So a 12k would winch slower than a 10k if they had the same motor. I purchased a Smittybilt 9.5k and think it will be just fine for our 14 JKUR.
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I went with 12K the price was still right and I'll never wonder about whether or not I should have gone for the 12k.
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In the mud your weight is doubled by suction. So if you never go in mud then no worries.
I’ve seen an 8k stall on a Taco stuck in clay.


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Yeah, well that's why I say you should consider a worst case scenario. I've had to winch out of the mud bogs with a 10.5k and you could hear it straining. I probably would have stalled an 8k
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8K is fine for most who are stock'ish.
10K might be a good idea for those modified with added weight.
12K is probably not needed for most unless they are heavily modified.

I've never purchased anything but 8K and never had an issue. I do have a snatch block and a rather long tree strap I can use as well.....
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I installed my X20 in June and I need to make the effort to get stuck, HaHa. My son really wants to try it out, as do I.
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8K is fine for most who are stock'ish.
10K might be a good idea for those modified with added weight.
12K is probably not needed for most unless they are heavily modified.

I've never purchased anything but 8K and never had an issue. I do have a snatch block and a rather long tree strap I can use as well.....

You’d need a 12K if you go where I go. But...
To each his own.. An 8k is still better then no winch at all.


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That's what I'd always heard, 1.5x vehicle weight as a minimum. Just wanted to hear if people who had gone with a 10k regretted it and wished they had gone with a 12k.
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That's what I'd always heard, 1.5x vehicle weight as a minimum. Just wanted to hear if people who had gone with a 10k regretted it and wished they had gone with a 12k.
Yes. As stated above I bought a 10.5k because it was on sale. It works but the last time I got stuck in heavy mud bogs (buried just past the doors) you could hear the winch slug down at certain points.



Pulling out of the snow is no big deal. I even tied onto a tree and lifted the jeep once so I could do some emergency work on one of the wheels.... no problems. But mud has that suction to it. IMO if you run the mud then go big with your winch, or go home.
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An 8k is still better then no winch at all.
An 8K might be all some need.. Me included... Use a snatch block and bingo, double it up..

I honestly do not care what people buy as I paid $900 for my m8000 synthetic... For that price I could have had my pick of the litter for most of the 10K or 12K winches out there..

Not into overkill and adding additional weight for the sake of saying I have a larger capacity winch..
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OP my ride's very similar to yours, I have the 10k X2O - aside from deep sticky mud I don't see a need for 12k. The few times I've needed mine in Florida - was absolutely plenty of pull.
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I've used a 10k for 4 years now (Superwinch Tigershark 9500). Must have used it 30 or more times. Never had any trouble doing it.

Piece of advice: get a quality 10k winch, and buy a snatch block. You now have a 20k system!
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I've used a 10k for 4 years now (Superwinch Tigershark 9500). Must have used it 30 or more times. Never had any trouble doing it.

Piece of advice: get a quality 10k winch, and buy a snatch block. You now have a 20k system!


Lol ... for the cost of a good snatch block you have the difference in price between a 10K and 12K and can use 95’ of line instead of 45’. Unless of course your happy with a $20 snatchblock.


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You need to look at the full specs, not just the higher pull force. Some of the 8k winches have exactly the same force as a 10k winch (6200 lbs) when you look at the last layer on the drum. Some of the 10k and 12k winches have the same motor and just use a smaller diameter drum to get more force. Also there is weight of the winch, current draw, winding speed & amount of line it can carry.
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