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Old 05-26-2017, 05:41 PM   #601
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The 430N option has been a big disappointment to us because of Bluetooth issues that seem to be well-known.
Is 430 plagued with same issues, or it's just 430N?

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Is 430 plagued with same issues, or it's just 430N?
I can't say for sure, but the nav portion of the unit would not seem to have anything to do with Bluetooth. Heck, for all I know it is UConnect itself and may impact even the 130. There is a stickied thread here on the topic:

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/uc...s-1155673.html

In any case, you can't get a 430 in a Recon, only 430N (IIRC, that's true with any Sahara- or Rubicon-based model).

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In any case, you can't get a 430 in a Recon, only 430N (IIRC, it is the same with any Sahara- or Rubicon-based model).
Well, in that case, we're gonna have a slight problem, because (just like for @Maxxx and @sidecar ) it was explicitly stated to me that Recon comes with 430, and there's a night and day difference between 130 and 430.

I have an impression that at some point Recon did come with 430 standard, and then FCA changed it. Wonder if there's anyone who's got 430 without explicitly asking for it.
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We started shopping for JK's about a year ago, and I had an unhealthy addiction to Jeep's Build and Price website, building out all sorts of configurations trying to decide. The 430N has been the only head unit upgrade available in Sahara and Rubicon, as well as the Hard Rock and now Recon special edition Rubicons.

I do stand corrected in that the Sahara-based special editions (SM and Chief) offer the 430 or 430N, but not the Rubi or its variants. I'm quite sure the Recon never had a "regular" 430 as an option, and your salesperson perhaps just refers to the 430N as a "430".
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I'm quite sure the Recon never had a "regular" 430 as an option, and your salesperson perhaps just refers to the 430N as a "430".
My dealer said very clearly, and repeated by email, that the Recon came standard with the 430, and I had the option to get the 430N. After the Jeep had been assembled, I pointed out the build sheet said 130 and he realized he was wrong. Since he's not the only dealer who has done that, there must be confusing information they use to order by.
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My dealer said very clearly, and repeated by email, that the Recon came standard with the 430, and I had the option to get the 430N.
Identical situation here.
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Since he's not the only dealer who has done that, there must be confusing information they use to order by.
I've noticed a few gaffes in detailed specifications of the Recon Edition when it came out (see for yourself - for one, Recon comes with no axles), this may be a related issue.
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2" Recon Lift

I got my new Recon lifted today with the Mopar 2" lift. Now need to figure out what to do with the original equipment

I haven't upgraded wheels/tires yet. Next project is to get a winch installed in the front bumper. Then deal with interior stuff and then visit wheels/tires.

Although as scared as what I thought it'd look like lifted with the stock tires, it doesn't look all that bad. And the Jeep handles really really well.
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I got my new Recon lifted today with the Mopar 2" lift. Now need to figure out what to do with the original equipment

I haven't upgraded wheels/tires yet. Next project is to get a winch installed in the front bumper. Then deal with interior stuff and then visit wheels/tires.

Although as scared as what I thought it'd look like lifted with the stock tires, it doesn't look all that bad. And the Jeep handles really really well.
It's coming along nicely!!
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Be sure you know what 430N offers, it may not be what you expect. Best of all, spend half an hour with an actual unit in the dealership.
Your message sounded somewhat ominous. Is there something to your knowledge I should be aware of thanks
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Your message sounded somewhat ominous. Is there something to your knowledge I should be aware of thanks
Nothing except the fact that I found the navigation in 430N somewhat... outdated, for a lack of better word.

430 and 430N have the same form factor, but I'll use my Android mobile for navigation without a single doubt, even though this means having it on a mount.

This is not something exceptional - few cars have nav systems up to date (one notable exception is BMW F30 and younger - those are simply awesome).

So, 430N was not worth the money for me, that's all I wanted to say. I see some people here like it. You'll have to make your own call - that seems to be the Jeep way
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Nothing except the fact that I found the navigation in 430N somewhat... outdated, for a lack of better word.

430 and 430N have the same form factor, but I'll use my Android mobile for navigation without a single doubt, even though this means having it on a mount.

This is not something exceptional - few cars have nav systems up to date (one notable exception is BMW F30 and younger - those are simply awesome).

So, 430N was not worth the money for me, that's all I wanted to say. I see some people here like it. You'll have to make your own call - that seems to be the Jeep way

I much appreciate the information. Thanks. Do you know if the 430 is compatable with a backup camera?
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Do you know if the 430 is compatable with a backup camera?
No idea, sorry.
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I got my new Recon lifted today with the Mopar 2" lift. Now need to figure out what to do with the original equipment

I haven't upgraded wheels/tires yet. Next project is to get a winch installed in the front bumper. Then deal with interior stuff and then visit wheels/tires.

Although as scared as what I thought it'd look like lifted with the stock tires, it doesn't look all that bad. And the Jeep handles really really well.
It's lookng good so far!
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Nothing except the fact that I found the navigation in 430N somewhat... outdated, for a lack of better word.

430 and 430N have the same form factor, but I'll use my Android mobile for navigation without a single doubt, even though this means having it on a mount.

This is not something exceptional - few cars have nav systems up to date (one notable exception is BMW F30 and younger - those are simply awesome).

So, 430N was not worth the money for me, that's all I wanted to say. I see some people here like it. You'll have to make your own call - that seems to be the Jeep way
I have a 2014JKUR and other than the stock headlights, the 430N is the only complaint I have on the whole jeep. The audio is fine, but there is no siri interface, car play, or air play function. I worry about the non SSD hard drive that came in it as well. It feels like FCA should have done a better job keeping the software up to date on it. I actually think that the size of the screen and the ergonomics of the unit are perfect for a wrangler. All they needed to do was update the unit for better standards support for andriod and apple phones. I for one would be willing to pay for updated software in the hundreds of dollars.
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Your message sounded somewhat ominous. Is there something to your knowledge I should be aware of thanks
To the defense of the 430N, for a stock unit, it performs just fine. I've been an audio snob on other cars (love the Bowers & Wilkins on 'my 09 Jaguar XFR) so know what good audio is ...and also know what good navigation is (Ford's Sync with satellite-radio integrated traffic is really good, even on their budget cars.)

But considering the size and shape of the Jeep cabin, I'm really pleased with the 430N and Alpine premium speakers ...and think the audio is very good for a stock system. The sophistication of the head unit is meh and the navigation is fair, but overall it does the job.

I also like that it provides me with a screen for non-head-unit extras, like my back-up camera.
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I'm really pleased with the 430N and Alpine premium speakers ...and think the audio is very good for a stock system.
Did you have a chance to compare the sound quality on an Alpine system between 130 and 430 or 430N?

I also wonder why is it that 430 isn't available specifically for Recon, is there a technical reason for this?

(update) And while we're on this topic, does Alpine support 5.1 sources? What kind of connector does it use - analog, optical, HDMI or something else?
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Did you have a chance to compare the sound quality on an Alpine system between 130 and 430 or 430N?

I also wonder why is it that 430 isn't available specifically for Recon, is there a technical reason for this?

(update) And while we're on this topic, does Alpine support 5.1 sources? What kind of connector does it use - analog, optical, HDMI or something else?
I didn't compare the sound quality. But I knew I wanted a display screen there, so the 430N it was. The integration with the Alpine back-up camera with the factory head unit was key for me.

Also remember this is the inside of a Jeep we're talking about and not a concert hall. The Alpine premium speakers makes a great attempt at filling the cabin with clear high notes and good bass, but if you're looking for an experience comparable to a home system, you won't get it no matter how much you invest in the head unit & speakers, factory or aftermarket.
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I didn't compare the sound quality. But I knew I wanted a display screen there, so the 430N it was. The integration with the Alpine back-up camera with the factory head unit was key for me.

Also remember this is the inside of a Jeep we're talking about and not a concert hall. The Alpine premium speakers makes a great attempt at filling the cabin with clear high notes and good bass, but if you're looking for an experience comparable to a home system, you won't get it no matter how much you invest in the head unit & speakers, factory or aftermarket.
Did you do your own programming on your unit to activate the camera or have a third party do it...What is your recommendation?
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Did you do your own programming on your unit to activate the camera or have a third party do it...What is your recommendation?
I had a third-party install it; I also had them cut off the original third brake light. I wanted a clean & quick (and warrantied) job. Parts+labor were under $600.
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Did you have to add a tuner and antenna to get Sirius XM?
Included standard, along with a year free service. I think that is the same whether 130 or 430N, based on vehicle model.

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Welp, I'm officially back in a Wrangler after a 4-month absence. Picked up a 2 Door Gobi Recon yesterday! I've had a stupid smile on my face ever since I picked it up. I don't know what I was thinking when I got rid of my previous Wrangler!

It's good to be back. Now I need some beefier tires...but I want to keep the stock rims because they look cool....spacers? What tire size to get....
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Included standard, along with a year free service. I think that is the same whether 130 or 430N, based on vehicle model.
In Sport/ Sport S trims, the 130 does not come standard with Sirius, it is a $220 option. If you put a 430 into a Sport/ Sport S, you're forced into getting the Sirius option.

In Sport-based special editions (e.g. Big Bear), and trims above that, it appears that Sirius is standard with the 130 (and IIRC, a 130 with Sirius is actually a "130S" but is not designated that way by Jeep).
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In Sport/ Sport S trims, the 130 does not come standard with Sirius, it is a $220 option. If you put a 430 into a Sport/ Sport S, you're forced into getting the Sirius option.

In Sport-based special editions (e.g. Big Bear), and trims above that, it appears that Sirius is standard with the 130 (and IIRC, a 130 with Sirius is actually a "130S" but is not designated that way by Jeep).
Yep, makes sense. I was referring to the Recon.

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The Recon is a high end Jeep, although not a "luxury" edition. What was the rationale for making the lowest model radio standard equipment? I would think when you pay a premium price, they shouldn't throw a junk radio in it.
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I got my new Recon lifted today with the Mopar 2" lift. Now need to figure out what to do with the original equipment

I haven't upgraded wheels/tires yet. Next project is to get a winch installed in the front bumper. Then deal with interior stuff and then visit wheels/tires.

Although as scared as what I thought it'd look like lifted with the stock tires, it doesn't look all that bad. And the Jeep handles really really well.
Is your lift 2" in addition to the 1/2" the recon comes with, or does it negate the 1/2" lift and make you 2" higher than the standard Rubicon?
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Is your lift 2" in addition to the 1/2" the recon comes with, or does it negate the 1/2" lift and make you 2" higher than the standard Rubicon?
The 1/2 for the Recon comes from the springs, so any lift that replaces those springs negates the extra half inch.

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The Recon is a high end Jeep, although not a "luxury" edition. What was the rationale for making the lowest model radio standard equipment? I would think when you pay a premium price, they shouldn't throw a junk radio in it.
It's just FCA and Jeep getting greedy. A few years ago, if you bought a Sahara or Rubicon model, the Alpine Stereo came standard. Not anymore. Jeep knows us die hands will continue to buy Jeeps despite their package options.
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Has anyone noticed that some of the recent deliveries appear to be mounting the Recon badge much lower on the quarter panel? Minor thing, but it kinda bugs me. Dunno why consistency with stuff like this is so hard for FCA.
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Has anyone noticed that some of the recent deliveries appear to be mounting the Recon badge much lower on the quarter panel? Minor thing, but it kinda bugs me. Dunno why consistency with stuff like this is so hard for FCA.
Great observation! The one here at the local dealership and @BooDie1821 in this thread both have the Recon badges placed low where my Polar edition badge is. Personally, I think this looks better than up high anyways, but I wonder if this is a running change or if they are goofs?
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I got my new Recon lifted today with the Mopar 2" lift. Now need to figure out what to do with the original equipment

I haven't upgraded wheels/tires yet. Next project is to get a winch installed in the front bumper. Then deal with interior stuff and then visit wheels/tires.

Although as scared as what I thought it'd look like lifted with the stock tires, it doesn't look all that bad. And the Jeep handles really really well.
You can try Craig's List; there is not a big market for those take-offs, but if you list them cheap you can move them.

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