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Old 10-12-2015, 07:19 AM   #31
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Things like the tornado and throttle body spacers have been basic common knowledge junk for at least 15 to 20 years. Nobody here is going to waste their time digging up dyno charts to "prove" it to you. I'm not going to go dig up and post proof that fire is hot either. It's common knowledge and you can look it up yourself if you so wish.
And that there is part of my issue...
"common knowledge " on an Internet forum tends to be mostly useless, more of a herd mentality than actual knowledge...
Hence my request for actual data..
But you are correct, this is obviously the wrong forum to be asking for actual data...

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IMHO, I don't believe anything that is common knowledge. I ate paint chips as a kid and I am doing just fine.

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You guys get your Jeeps to run 13s yet? When you do wake me up...

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You guys get your Jeeps to run 13s yet? When you do wake me up...

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Mine should be in the mid to low 13s . Prodigy Performance got into the 12s with their kit, auto trans, and exhaust.
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You guys get your Jeeps to run 13s yet? When you do wake me up...

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with this, I will let you return to your herd now, no more worries about facts...
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with this, I will let you return to your herd now, no more worries about facts...
BFD.. The last I looked this was the JK forum...

Yes... somewhatlost... perfect user name!

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with this, I will let you return to your herd now, no more worries about facts...
I think we're talking about bolt-on mods to the 3.6 Pentastar here. Not LS swaps with nitrous.
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And that there is part of my issue...
"common knowledge " on an Internet forum tends to be mostly useless, more of a herd mentality than actual knowledge...
Hence my request for actual data..
But you are correct, this is obviously the wrong forum to be asking for actual data...
I guess you've blazed many 1/4 mile trails with those Jeeps in your YouTube videos...

Perhaps you should step up to a respectable class..

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And that there is part of my issue...
"common knowledge " on an Internet forum tends to be mostly useless, more of a herd mentality than actual knowledge...
Hence my request for actual data..
But you are correct, this is obviously the wrong forum to be asking for actual data...
In other words, you're too lazy to do your own research. You want everyone else to do it for you. It's been common knowledge and frankly common sense for decades. If you don't wish to believe that, you can do your own research and prove it to yourself. Nobody here is stopping you. The rest of us with common sense and basic knowledge either already looked into it for ourselves, or knew well enough to not even bother.
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Just curious, but do any of the "it won't help" people actually have done charts to back up their claims?

*it being any claimed HP adder...
Note, I don't necessarily disagree, but it seems there is a lack of hard data...
Does not take a scientist to figure out an air foil IN the air stream will reduce air flow due to loss space within the air flow tube.
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And that there is part of my issue...
"common knowledge " on an Internet forum tends to be mostly useless, more of a herd mentality than actual knowledge...
Hence my request for actual data..
But you are correct, this is obviously the wrong forum to be asking for actual data...
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Nice to see very little changes, threads like this were alive and well back when I was on the Forum with my '05 Rubicon (4.0) and everybody was debating K&N air filters and the added H.P.
It's a Jeep - Drive it.
Better yet - Drive it S L O W .... that way you actually get to experience what the F'n thing was designed to do as well as the added benefits that came along with the design like relaxation and decreased stress.

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Internet 101 - don't believe anything you read on the internet. 102 - A site will post anything to get you to see their ads. This picture from 1993, most reprinted cartoon ever from the New Yorker. So Internet 101 has been in place for over 22 years, but ppl still believe what the read
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I have a tendency to "think" in analogies so, IF I buy tickets and go to a wine tasting/Poetry Reading in Harlem (as if I ever) I won't sit in the back and pull out my Lighter and start yelling "Play FreeBird, Yo Skynyrd Rocks"

So, On a Jeep Forum I probably won't start wondering (aloud) how I can Lower my Jeep, Ricer it out with Fart-Can Exhausts and modify the powertrain with power adders but hey maybe that's just me and proof of the Generational divide that I apparently am now on the other side of...

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Are there any performance mods that will actually work on the 3.6L engines? In the 'good old days' a chip, intake, and exhaust would get you a pretty good power boost on a Jeep, or just about any car for that matter (man, an old school late 80s-early 90s Mustang 5.0 would FLY with those simple mods!). Now, it seems that the newer computers compensate for everything, and if you put a chip, exhaust, or intake on, the computer re-tunes and you don't usually get very much performance after all. Does anyone know of any real power enhancers (other than supercharging, turbos, or nitrous) that would get a few more ponies? I am not looking to change the world, just a little more power without spending too much. Of course all the manufacturers all claim big HP gains, but they are usually full of BS. Thanks. -Todd
Best bet is calibrate your gas pedal. If that doesn't make you happy then you probably are in the wrong vehicle for what you want. Jeeps aren't supposed to be race cars. If 285HP and 260FTLB isn't enough for your liking then plan on doing gears and or supercharger. However if you choose the charger then understand gears and axles have to be upgraded.
As stated already, take the top and doors off, drive slow, enjoy the vehicle the way it was designed to be.
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Gears, Gears, Gears.....

When it comes to on-road 2WD usage, my buddy's Sahara with 3.21 is identical to my Hard Rock -- both 6-speed manual, except he has 3.21 gears, and mine has 4.10. His is a 2014, mine is a 15 -- don't think that matters.

In daily driving, the difference is astounding.... specially at highway speeds and/or towing even the smallest of trailers.... We've swapped Jeeps for days just to see... I am constantly downshifting in the Sahara. Of course "off the line" there's a marked difference as well, but Jeeps are not drag racers, so I don't really count this.

Anyways... after driving mine, he's now considering a re-gear to 4.56 or thereabouts. We're both running stock tires now and will be going to something in the 34-35" range when the current OEM tires wear out.
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285hp delivered in a Wrangler is the best and highest it has ever been out of a 6 cylinder offered from Chrysler specific for the Wrangler.

The JK runs a sub 7 sec. 0 to 60 and the JKU runs a sub 8 sec. 0 to 60. In a vehicle of this weight, I believe the acceleration is very good.
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Does not take a scientist to figure out an air foil IN the air stream will reduce air flow due to loss space within the air flow tube.
you, like so many other here seem to think that at some point I claimed these devices actually worked...
I did not...
more to the point, I would assume that if there was a cheap easy way to make more HP/MPG, that Jeep would have already incorporated it into their production as the net result would benefit them. and cheap mods would be virtually free mods for jeep once to take in to account the volume...

all I asked for was data... before and after dyno charts... facts...
I think it would be cool to be able to see the data behind any real world effects positive or (more likely) negative. it might even be cool to see if even though the net results are negative there is a positive boost around 3K rpm (or some such...) again, it would just be interesting...

*NOTE* before the herd starts another stampede, the 3K RPM is just an example, I just made it up, and it isn't unreasonable to expect a mod (any mod) may increase power here, and decrease power there)

but as has been stated over and over, Facts have no place on this forum...
I get it already, I will never ask for verifiable data from this forum again...



as for power, the 70HP that my old Hurricane in my old M jeep made was more then any previous model (at that point in time), no one could ever possibly need more... actually, anyone with the 3.6L should immediately go out and disable 4 of their cylinders, what do you need those 280HP for anyway, 70 is all you need, just change your gears... um yea, right... whatever...
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all I asked for was data... before and after dyno charts... facts...
I think it would be cool to be able to see the data behind any real world effects positive or (more likely) negative. it might even be cool to see if even though the net results are negative there is a positive boost around 3K rpm
Nobody is stopping you. Everyone but you on this forum is content with either already having looked up the data, or trusting others. So if you insist on data, go look it up. It's not our job to waste our time on bullshit non-sense requests. It's unnecessary and a waste of time.

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but as has been stated over and over, Facts have no place on this forum...
If you were asking for facts on something worthwhile that doesn't fly against simple common sense, you would have lots of replies. Lots of facts. Charts. Videos. Pictures. Writeups. Everything. The fact that nobody wants to provide you scientific evidence that the sky is blue has nothing to do with relevant topics on the forum.
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In conclusion, it's common sense that an intake and exhaust will give a modest performance gain on almost any modern vehicle as long as it's not a JK.
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you, like so many other here seem to think that at some point I claimed these devices actually worked...
I did not... more to the point, 1) I would assume that if there was a cheap easy way to make more HP/MPG, that Jeep would have already incorporated it into their production as the net result would benefit them. and cheap mods would be virtually free mods for jeep once to take in to account the volume...

2) all I asked for was data... before and after dyno charts... facts... I think it would be cool to be able to see the data behind any real world effects positive or (more likely) negative. it might even be cool to see if even though the net results are negative there is a positive boost around 3K rpm (or some such...) again, it would just be interesting...

*NOTE* before the herd starts another stampede, the 3K RPM is just an example, I just made it up, and it isn't unreasonable to expect a mod (any mod) may increase power here, and decrease power there)

but as has been stated over and over, Facts have no place on this forum...
I get it already, I will never ask for verifiable data from this forum again...

as for power, the 70HP that my old Hurricane in my old M jeep made was more then any previous model (at that point in time), no one could ever possibly need more... actually, 3) anyone with the 3.6L should immediately go out and disable 4 of their cylinders, what do you need those 280HP for anyway, 70 is all you need, just change your gears... um yea, right... whatever...
I think you're being unreasonable...

1) Not really. Jeep needs to pass EPA and CARB standards... VW is learning a hard lesson right now.

2) I understand your interest.. not going to happen. I don't think a dyno chart posted on the internet would satisfy your (or my) curiosity. As you well know dyno results are subject to much variability.

3) I think you missed the point. Gears can make a huge difference in generating more torque (pulling power) without risking changing emissions out of the tailpipe.

I would be more interested in emissions tests before spending money on aftermarket parts claiming increase in MPG or HP.. Why? Because you may not be able to pass your first smog inspection.

YMMV...

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Gears don't generate torque, they multiply it. In my county, they do a visual smog inspection and hook up to the OBD port. Older cars get the sniffer. I know lots of people that pass with no cats, not in JKs though.
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Gears don't generate torque, they multiply it. In my county, they do a visual smog inspection and hook up to the OBD port. Older cars get the sniffer. I know lots of people that pass with no cats, not in JKs though.
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My bad, I thought the engine made the torque.
Oh.. yeah. We need an engine.. or a motor... or a piston...



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