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Old 01-28-2020, 01:22 PM
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37s Steering

Okay I have done some research but I am a bit confused.

I have 37s on my JKUR and am looking at steering upgrades. Ive seen
redneck steering" "PSC" and "big bore"

But I guess I am confused on what is what. Can someone please tell me what I should be running on my jeep?

Yes I rock crawl in my jeep (havent since I upgraded to 37s) but going again in a couple of months to EJS

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I do not recommend redneck ram.

PSC hydroassist. The Big Bore is the upgraded steering box you can get from PSC ported for the hydroassist.

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I do not recommend redneck ram.

PSC hydroassist. The Big Bore is the upgraded steering box you can get from PSC ported for the hydroassist.
so is this the hydro assist?

https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/h...r-steering-kit

or this?

https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/h...firmed_fitment
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The first is just the Big Bore steering box with the PS cooler and new High Flow pump. It's way better than stock but can still have issues turning locked 37's in rocks. The second system you listed is the full hydro setup.

I'm currently running the first system as I got it lightly used, cheap. I still sometimes have problems turning in rocks when locked but not anywhere near as much as I had before (which was pretty much non existent). I really need to add a ram and a ported steering box at some point.
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The first is just the Big Bore steering box with the PS cooler and new High Flow pump. It's way better than stock but can still have issues turning locked 37's in rocks. The second system you listed is the full hydro setup.

I'm currently running the first system as I got it lightly used, cheap. I still sometimes have problems turning in rocks when locked but not anywhere near as much as I had before (which was pretty much non existent). I really need to add a ram and a ported steering box at some point.
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I run the big bore kit with ram assist. Love it
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Once upon a time I owned a 1967 F250 pickup with 38" tires and manual steering. Now the steering wheel was bigger diameter and at the end of a wheeling day my arms were a bit sore, but it really wasn't an issue. I learned to be moving while turning, even if it was just a little bit. Is the need for a assist so that you can turn while still? Or like the F250, the 37s aren't really an issue as ling as your are moving? It would seem to me that adding force is asking to damage something.
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Once upon a time I owned a 1967 F250 pickup with 38" tires and manual steering. Now the steering wheel was bigger diameter and at the end of a wheeling day my arms were a bit sore, but it really wasn't an issue. I learned to be moving while turning, even if it was just a little bit. Is the need for a assist so that you can turn while still? Or like the F250, the 37s aren't really an issue as ling as your are moving? It would seem to me that adding force is asking to damage something.
With 37s, the assist isnt needed on the street. It is needed when trying to turn a locked front axle or when steering gets bound up offroad.
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Once upon a time I owned a 1967 F250 pickup with 38" tires and manual steering. Now the steering wheel was bigger diameter and at the end of a wheeling day my arms were a bit sore, but it really wasn't an issue. I learned to be moving while turning, even if it was just a little bit. Is the need for a assist so that you can turn while still? Or like the F250, the 37s aren't really an issue as ling as your are moving? It would seem to me that adding force is asking to damage something.



Yeah, when you are locked on the rocks, you can't really turn at all. And alot of times, you aren't moving. Is it possible, yes, but the trail i ran before hydro and then after, was a night and day difference
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I do not recommend redneck ram.
Can you elaborate on what experience you had on why you don't recommend the Redneck Ram?

I actually sold my PSC Big Bore XD (just the steering box) and put the Redneck Ram on mine with outstanding results for a fraction of the cost. It is powerful enough to shove the Jeep sideways when the tire (37") is completely against a hard surface (rock). That alone meets every expectation I have for it, but the geometry fix when they rewelded the bracket to make the ram completely parallel to the tie rod GREATLY improved my on road handling as well. They were also great guys to work with and had lots of other really cool customer projects going on at the same time. Definitely worth my trip to San Angelo - so far.
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Can you elaborate on what experience you had on why you don't recommend the Redneck Ram?

I actually sold my PSC Big Bore XD (just the pump) and put the Redneck Ram on mine with outstanding results for a fraction of the cost. It is powerful enough to shove the Jeep sideways when the tire (37") is completely against a hard surface (rock). That alone meets every expectation I have for it, but the geometry fix when they rewelded the bracket to make the ram completely parallel to the tie rod GREATLY improved my on road handling as well. They were also great guys to work with and had lots of other really cool customer projects going on at the same time. Definitely worth my trip to San Angelo - so far.
The redneck does not come with the upgraded pump or reservoir. The vast majority of folks I know who originally ran the redneck just trying to save pennies went PSC in the end. I went PSC from day one. We rock crawl here - I need to be able to turn.

Big Bore is the box - not the pump. The pump is extra.
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The redneck does not come with the upgraded pump or reservoir. The vast majority of folks I know who originally ran the redneck just trying to save pennies went PSC in the end. I went PSC from day one. We rock crawl here - I need to be able to turn.

Big Bore is the box - not the pump. The pump is extra.
Corrected the "pump" typo. It was late. And not sure why a bigger reservoir seals the deal, but I digress.

No need for the condescension. I was looking for actual perspective. I'm sure you "crawl" there. We crawl here as well. So do people in Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and a ton of other places. Good for you.

Hopefully my experience continues to be positive with the Redneck Ram, but time will tell. If it does go south, I have no problem putting it out there (and will).
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Corrected the "pump" typo. It was late. And not sure why a bigger reservoir seals the deal, but I digress.

No need for the condescension. I was looking for actual perspective. I'm sure you "crawl" there. We crawl here as well. So do people in Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico, and a ton of other places. Good for you.

Hopefully my experience continues to be positive with the Redneck Ram, but time will tell. If it does go south, I have no problem putting it out there (and will).
Not sure what you see as "condescension" here - we are talking about Jeep parts, nothing personal about it.
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Not sure what you see as "condescension" here - we are talking about Jeep parts, nothing personal about it.
The part about "We crawl here". Don't know what purpose that serves other than being condescending, but if that isn't how you meant it - cool. I misinterpreted.
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Just installed the full PSC hydro assist setup with 37s. It's night and day difference. Highway driveability is compromised a bit as the steering is now very sensitive to input and the return to center is all but gone. It's not that big of a deal. You just have to get used to it.
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The part about "We crawl here". Don't know what purpose that serves other than being condescending, but if that isn't how you meant it - cool. I misinterpreted.
She was telling you how she uses her Jeep. Not everyone uses their Jeep the same way. Not everyone crawls in the rocks with their Jeep. It doesn't mean anything personal.
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