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Old 07-24-2017, 01:17 PM
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4 or 5 tire rotation

I am due for my first oil change/tire rotation and asked the dealership about doing a 5 tire rotation. The manager there stated it was customer preference, but he said only a handful of his customers did this, most just did 4.

Looking to understand from the forum what is consensus on this? Are there more 4 or 5 camps out there?

Reasons I see for 4: Cheaper to buy new tires when they wear out?
Reasons I see for 5: Longer overall tire life before having to get new set?

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IF you Know you are sticking with the same Exact tire - You could go either way 4 or 5.

IF there is the remotest possibility you will get a different set of tires in the future - Do a 5 tire rotation.

(Recommendation: Do Five(5)) AND IF it is someone else doing it, Hand them the diagram and say "This is How I want it done". That way it's the same rotation and nobody mucks it up with their own method thus F'ing up the whole purpose.
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I do a 5, there is a member here who got 60k out of his KO2's doing that
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IF you Know you are sticking with the same Exact tire - You could go either way 4 or 5.

IF there is the remotest possibility you will get a different set of tires in the future - Do a 5 tire rotation.

(Recommendation: Do Five(5)) AND IF it is someone else doing it, Hand them the diagram and say "This is How I want it done". That way it's the same rotation and nobody mucks it up with their own method thus F'ing up the whole purpose.
I couldn't agree more. A very very wise man (who I later thought died) once gave me the exact same advice.
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I do a 5-tire rotation every 5,000 miles. They have slightly over 44,000 miles now and look like they could go another 44,000 before they need to be replaced. Dueler A/T factory original tires.
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One of the advantages of the 5 tire rotation is you can do it at home. Even if you do not have a tool set, you can do it as the Jeep came with the required tools. That is probably why the dealer said most of their customers do the 4 tire rotation; most of the people doing the 5 tire rotation are doing it themselves. Since your set of tires will wear out faster doing the 4 tire rotation that would be another reason why the dealer likes the 4 tire rotation.
As mentioned, unless you know you will be getting another set of the exact same tires, and you go through tires fast enough that your spare won't be past its "use by" date when it happens. A spare isn't much good if it is dry rotting.
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isn't this a pay me now or pay me later proposition?

5 is easier.. just use a service jack
4 is harder, you need a service jack and jack stands

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I couldn't agree more. A very very wise man (who I later thought died) once gave me the exact same advice.
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isn't this a pay me now or pay me later proposition?

5 is easier.. just use a service jack
4 is harder, you need a service jack and jack stands

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I always do mine at oil change.
I use three(3) floor jacks (two up front and one under the rear pumpkin)
I loosen all the lugs (slightly) then...
Jack er' up even so the oil drains nicely.
I start that draining and then while it is draining, I remove ALL Five(5) wheels and leave them in position.
I then take one at a time and "Clean" the inside of the wheel/inspect the tire and have a look at the brakes, lines etc.
Clean wheel moves to it's New home for the next few months.
Wash/Rinse/Repeat

Once all wheels are done and back on (Not yet torqued)

I finish up the oil.

Lower her until wheels are not able to trun and torque them.

Drop her and have a Beer.

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I just started doing 5. Not sure if it will help or not, but I have never kept my tires very long. I do a rotation every 3K.
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I think it's personal preference. Tires have a shelf life of about +/- 5yrs because rubber will start breaking down even if you don't use it, especially if it's exposed to the elements. You can extend it on the spare tire with a cover if all it's going to be is a spare, but I wouldn't make it a main tire after 5 years of age. Just the $.02 of someone who worked in a tire shop for a while.
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How many miles you recommend btwn rotations? 3-5000 I'm at about 7000 without rotating?

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How many miles you recommend btwn rotations? 3-5000 I'm at about 7000 without rotating?

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To me, a softer compound (mud tires) should probably get the 5k mi rotate and the harder compound (All-terrain) you could get away with 7-10k mi between rotations.
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How many miles you recommend btwn rotations? 3-5000 I'm at about 7000 without rotating?

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5k is a nice round number for rotating AT and MT's. More absurd the tread pattern the more frequently I personally rotate. But 5k is a great spot for most Jeep tires IMO.
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I always do mine at oil change.
I use three(3) floor jacks (two up front and one under the rear pumpkin)
I loosen all the lugs (slightly) then...
Jack er' up even so the oil drains nicely.
I start that draining and then while it is draining, I remove ALL Five(5) wheels and leave them in position.
I then take one at a time and "Clean" the inside of the wheel/inspect the tire and have a look at the brakes, lines etc.
Clean wheel moves to it's New home for the next few months.
Wash/Rinse/Repeat

Once all wheels are done and back on (Not yet torqued)

I finish up the oil.

Lower her until wheels are not able to trun and torque them.

Drop her and have a Beer.

^^^ that's the right way to do it - clean the back of the wheels.

I was thinking more on the lines of quick and easy using 5 tire rotation.

just pull the spare off and use a service jack to lift the rear tire off the ground 2"... remove, replace, drop rear tire and move the tire to the next location and repeat.. like those NASCAR pit stops.

That way you never need to crawl under the Jeep ...

Yes, I know safety first - but that was my old service station way of removing a flat tire, then break the tubeless tire off the rim and seal the leak from the inside... then inflate, balance and reinstall.

We always had three lifts full and someone would come in with a flat that needed to be fixed...

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I was too cheap to replace the brand new tires when I purchased the Jeep. I could not wait for them to wear out. So I never rotated them. To my surprise, all 4 wore almost exactly the same amount.
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I plan on using different tires, but I'm in no hurry. I'm doing a 5 tire rotation in hopes of getting the most life out of the OE Rubicon tires.
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I have the toyo open country R/T. Still don't see much wear after the 7k or whatever. I think they still have the rubber tips still coming out the sides. Lol

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I don't think there is a right or wrong when it comes to your rotation, 5 tires will give you little extra miles out of the set, and will also keep the spare more or less at the same wearing rate in case you need to use it, but It's definitely cheaper to buy 4 tires, so this is totally up to you, i was doing a 5 tire rotation because i had all 5's, now i don't have a matching spare, so i'll be only doing a 4 tire rotation. Don't stress out on this anyways. just pick a pattern, and stick to it.

I could rotate them myself, but discount tires will do them for me, which is included in the price i'm paying for them to install my tires, so 4 or 5 tire rotation, i don't pay extra for the service, if i have AT tires, i'll have them rotated at every oil change, 8-9k miles in my case, with MT, i'll do them every 4-5k miles, and they'll also get re-balanced at the same time at no extra cost.

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5 tires all the way

1) only "cheaper" if you trade vehicles often and need only one set of tires before you trade, but if you are like me and keep a vehicle until it literally falls apart or is totaled then it will be more expensive because you have a tire you paid for with zero miles that will deteriorate and be useless and need replaced. Yes you could use one of the "wore out" ones for "free" but do you want to rely on a questionable tire in a time of need?
2) as op stated are you going to keep the same exact tire on for life of vehicle, I would doubt it if you are a member here
3) super easy to do on your own, I'm not a mechanic and do my own. Can be done with oem jack and wrench but lots easier with a floor jack and a 110 volt impact (unless you own a decent air compressor then get an air impact), would recommend a torque wrench to be sure they are tightened to spec but probably millions of tires out there not installed with a torque wrench (mine are torqued to spec)
4) related to #3 above: more likely to notice tire & vehicle issues if you are changing and handling them yourself, "some" shops are not the best for looking for signs of problems until it's broke completely
5) another related to #3: tire shops have a bad habit of airing the tire up to pressure on door frame, but with oversize tires most don't run "sticker" pressure and run a lower pressure based off chalk tests.
6) as you stated longer overall tire life, more time to save money for next bigger tire size. 31's first then 33's then 35's and then prolly 37's tire envy....... We all have it to some extent
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I don't think there is a right or wrong when it comes to your rotation, 5 tires will give you little extra miles out of the set, and will also keep the spare more or less at the same wearing rate in case you need to use it, but It's definitely cheaper to buy 4 tires, so this is totally up to you, i was doing a 5 tire rotation because i had all 5's, now i don't have a matching spare, so i'll be only doing a 4 tire rotation. Don't stress out on this anyways. just pick a pattern, and stick to it.

I could rotate them myself, but discount tires will do them for me, which is included in the price i'm paying for them to install my tires, so 4 or 5 tire rotation, i don't pay extra for the service, if i have AT tires, i'll have them rotated at every oil change, 8-9k miles in my case, with MT, i'll do them every 4-5k miles, and they'll also get re-balanced at the same time at no extra cost.

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You could put em' on backwards or maybe put two on one and three on the other...... Depends on how much Beer you've drank/drunk prior to starting I suppose.
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I did 4 every oil change

Now I have a nice brand new tires and four extremely noisy and poorly warn oem tires

Not getting the same tires thus that 5th tire is a expensive paperweight.... pretty hard selling just one when everyone knows how crappy they are

5 tire rotation next time
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5. You're not saving any money by doing four since you are getting fewer miles from the set of tires. Your cost per mile is the same until you factor in the eventually useless spare. At that point the four wheel rotation becomes more expensive.
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The shop where I bought my tires gives me free rotations every 5K miles. I told them I wanted 5-tire rotation the first time I went in for it. The guy there says to put the spare on the front because it is slightly larger than the others and will put less wear on the un-powered differential.

I figure you guys are the Pros From Dover, here. What say you? Is this guy giving me a load of balloon juice?
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Tires have a shelf life of about +/- 5yrs because rubber will start breaking down even if you don't use it, especially if it's exposed to the elements. You can extend it on the spare tire with a cover if all it's going to be is a spare, but I wouldn't make it a main tire after 5 years of age.
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