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Old 06-21-2018, 04:24 PM
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AEV vs Metalcloak 2.5

Searched until my eyes turned blue and still looking for advice. Current Jeep has a 2.5" BB with horrible ride, so on my new 16 Hard Rock I want to do it right. I keep hearing AEV for the best ride quality, which sadly this will be a 95% pavement pounder that I daily drive in the city, but then have fellow Jeepers recommending Metalcloak.

AEV - looks like 2.5 kit + geo brackets + rear links are the way to go. Trackbar also maybe?

Metalcloak - what's the difference between the dual rate & the overland kits (is one equivalent to AEV?). Fox vs Rocksport (or ditching both and going Ranchos)? How would ride compare to AEV for those that have driven both? I don't want to sacrifice ride, but I'll spend more for the better kit for sure.

My father just put on a 2.5 AEV with 1" front spacer to eliminate the front rake and gained right at 3" across the board. I imagine that's pretty common from what I am reading. Would love to go 3.5, but plan on staying with 35s, so trying to be sensible and stay with something my kids (and 215 lb Mastiff) can get in and out of.

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I have an AEV 2.5" lift and really like it....great on and off road. As far as MC...I've only heard great things about their lifts and shocks. Can't go wrong either way IMO.

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Which metalcloak 2.5”?

I went with the gamechanger 2.5” on my 17 JKRHR. it rides pretty good imo.

Not sure where you’re located but you might be able to ride in someone’s jeep with the kits you are eyeing.

Both options you’re looking at are good. I doubt you’d be disappointed with either if your expectations are realistic.

Oh and I also gained 3” from my 2.5” lift. (Stock hardrock bumpers with a Warn xd9000i on the front) and a Teraflex hinged carrier. Tires are 315/70r17

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Which metalcloak 2.5”?

I went with the gamechanger 2.5” on my 17 JKRHR. it rides pretty good imo.

Not sure where you’re located but you might be able to ride in someone’s jeep with the kits you are eyeing.

Both options you’re looking at are good. I doubt you’d be disappointed with either if your expectations are realistic.
I was looking at the true dual-rate kit. It sounds like what I thought where either way I'll be happy, just hoping to get a few opinions from those that know more than me since the kits are so close in price.
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I was looking at the true dual-rate kit. It sounds like what I thought where either way I'll be happy, just hoping to get a few opinions from those that know more than me since the kits are so close in price.


That’s the kit I was going to get before a friend with an off-road Shop sold me an instock GC at the same price. (I then changed the shocks)

A neighbor of mine had a rough country garbage kit on his JKUR, which was on about 2 weeks. Then he trashed it and went to the AEV kit. He was happy with the change out.

My 2017 has 21k on it. So you could say it gets driven a bit. The wife and I love it. Rides very good. Stock was squishy and straight up terrible in a turn. Now it feels more like if BMW made a jeep. Firm yet comfortable.


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I'm going through this right now. I have a 2016 JKUR with the AEV 2.5" lift with Bilsteins on Cooper 315s. I've always been satisfied with it, not knowing any better because that's the way I bought it. I'm not afraid to travel in it so I've driven it from Reno to Moab, Arizona, San Diego, etc, and the wheeling includes the Badge of Honor trails in SoCal.

At 47,000 miles I'm putting it up for sale and I bought a new '18 4-door Recon. I had never driven either a brand new Jeep, nor one that's completely stock, so I was quite surprised at how very nice it rides. While I was waiting for money for a new lift, I took it out on mild to medium trails and it handles everything completely within expectations.

I bought the 3.5" True Dual-Rate MetalCloak kit and new Cooper 315's (like on the '16), and since I need to be able to drive it every day, I'm putting on pieces at a time. A side effect of this is that I get to see which addition gives which change.

First thing was to install all the bumpers, sliders and armor from the '16. No real change. It want's to over steer a little more in really hard corners.

Next was the front upper control arms - no perceptible change in ride quality or handling.

Next was mounting the 315s (yeah, no lift yet, but with the Recon's extra default lift, it works, on-road at least). Steering got a little heavier and road noise increased, but ride quality hasn't changed. 28 psi.

Next was the upper and lower rear control arms. I bought those later because I installed an Adam's double-cardan driveshaft and I needed to adjust the pinion angle. Looking back, I realize that I should have just gone with the Game Changer from the git-go because now I'll spend an extra $400 buying it piece by piece. Anyway, the road ride seems to have improved slightly in that, going over rises and dips at speed seem to be smoother, but otherwise, I'll call it the same - maybe better, but definitely not worse, and still better than the AEV lift.

And that's where I'm at today. Starting today I'll finish the lift and install the springs and Rocksport shocks, trackbar, and brake lines. I've always felt that the Bilsteins were weak on compression damping, yet harsh on high speed bumps. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Rocksports work out. Another thing I'm not a fan of with the AEV kit is the necessity of buying the Geo brackets to keep reasonable castor. Even with those, my last alignment required the use of offset ball joints. The MC kit's control arms are adjustable instead, plus, I don't lose the ground clearance I lost from the Geo brackets. And I'm also not a fan of the swaybar bracket extensions. I don't understand why you don't just get the proper length swaybar links in the first place. So far, the MC kit is winning.

I'll follow up on this when I finish the installation.
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I’ve had the AEV 2.5 with the geo brackets on my two door now for about a year. I gained about 3” on it. I do trails rated at 6-7 pretty regularly. All I can say is so far I really like them... been great on the street or trail.
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I'm going through this right now. I'll follow up on this when I finish the installation.
Excellent write-up! I'm coming from a budget boost scenario, so I know anything will be a step up. I just don't want to buy one or the other and think "what if". I'm 99% on road, which pushes me towards AEV, but Metalcloak has great reviews as well. I am extremely tempted to do the 3.5 instead of 2.5, but don't want to deal with the inherent driveshaft issues.

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I've had both. Go with MC.


This crazy fool is one of very few who has personal first hand experience with multiple lifts.

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I had AEV on my white one. Then TF Leveling kit, then MC on my yellow one. Then JKS and TF with Falcons on my Mohave Sand Willy's. And now AEV 2" spacer on my Recon. MC is still the best especially in the Gamechanger version. AEV is way too stiff for me unless you have a lot of weight to carry.
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I had AEV on my white one. Then TF Leveling kit, then MC on my yellow one. Then JKS and TF with Falcons on my Mohave Sand Willy's. And now AEV 2" spacer on my Recon. MC is still the best especially in the Gamechanger version. AEV is way too stiff for me unless you have a lot of weight to carry.
I can't swing the Gamechanger, especially for my purposes, so I'm considering the dual rate version. Hard rock steel bumper and Teraflex tire carrier with a 35" is about the most weight mine will see.
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I can't swing the Gamechanger, especially for my purposes, so I'm considering the dual rate version. Hard rock steel bumper and Teraflex tire carrier with a 35" is about the most weight mine will see.
Pick a good shock and you will be happy with MC. If I get tired of my AEV 2" spacer then I will probably go with MC again.
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How are you liking the AEV spacer kit? Have had one sitting in my closet for over a year, just have not installed it. Keep on debating to just go with it and 285s to save money, or go with a full kit.

Did you add anything like a adj. front track at?
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How are you liking the AEV spacer kit? Have had one sitting in my closet for over a year, just have not installed it. Keep on debating to just go with it and 285s to save money, or go with a full kit.

Did you add anything like a adj. front track at?
Since I have a Recon and its a little taller and maybe a little stiffer, I really like it. My 285's fit perfectly and ride and handle well. I added a Hellwig rear sway bar and it handles better now. I didn't add anything else and don't really feel like I need to at the moment. Its not as stiff as all the aftermarket suspension which I like. I might add Yeti steering in the future, but as set up now I like it. I would rather have 37's, but they are just not practical for me at this point. I had a hamstring injury 2 weeks ago and getting in my Jeep currently was difficult. Add another 3-4" and I might not have made it.
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I have an '18 freedom edition with 3.73 gears. It comes with the performance shocks. I siesta rinderpest if they gave it a bit of lift as well, as seems sits higher than other Jeep's - or maybe a higher doting rate since came stock with metal (AEV) front and rear bumpers.

With the 2" lift, the 285s and the smittybilt safari top considering I should still be able to get into garage. At least with the spacer kit you know exactly how much lift inches wise you are getting.

I was considering an adjustable front track bar (TR monster or Jks) and done sway bars just cause I am OCD.
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I have an '18 freedom edition with 3.73 gears. It comes with the performance shocks. I siesta rinderpest if they gave it a bit of lift as well, as seems sits higher than other Jeep's - or maybe a higher doting rate since came stock with metal (AEV) front and rear bumpers.

With the 2" lift, the 285s and the smittybilt safari top considering I should still be able to get into garage. At least with the spacer kit you know exactly how much lift inches wise you are getting.

I was considering an adjustable front track bar (TR monster or Jks) and done sway bars just cause I am OCD.

I can say I didn?t notice anything off. I?m sure my axles are slightly off, but not enough to notice and if you have followed my threads you will know I have horrible OCD for things like that.


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OCD is exactly what's needed with lifts and suspension geometry. I got it bad :-)
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OCD is exactly what's needed with lifts and suspension geometry. I got it bad :-)


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Stage one of the final stage to lift my Jeep with the MetalCloak. I just thought I'd post it for entertainment value :-)
The white Jeep in the background is the one with the AEV 2.5" lift.
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Stage one of the final stage to lift my Jeep with the MetalCloak. I just thought I'd post it for entertainment value :-)

The white Jeep in the background is the one with the AEV 2.5" lift.



MC really reverses that factory rake.
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I have an '18 freedom edition with 3.73 gears. It comes with the performance shocks. I siesta rinderpest if they gave it a bit of lift as well, as seems sits higher than other Jeep's - or maybe a higher doting rate since came stock with metal (AEV) front and rear bumpers.

With the 2" lift, the 285s and the smittybilt safari top considering I should still be able to get into garage. At least with the spacer kit you know exactly how much lift inches wise you are getting.

I was considering an adjustable front track bar (TR monster or Jks) and done sway bars just cause I am OCD.
take the 2 or 3 hours required to put it on. You guys kill me lol. something so simple to do. I have installed a dozen of these and none needed a front adj track bar.
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take the 2 or 3 hours required to put it on. You guys kill me lol. something so simple to do. I have installed a dozen of these and none needed a front adj track bar.
Yeah , I know. Just still waiting on trying to decide on wheels and tires first.

Currently leaning towards AEV saltas and firestone destination A/Ts 285/70R17.

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armory wheels, just wish they were not so wide and had a bit less backspacing.

That in one thing I really like about AEV wheels, is there dimensions. Had some Saverges on my '12 Rubicon. Sometimes I contemplate getting the Saverges instead of the Saltas.
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I had the AEV 2.5" lift on for about a year then rode in my buddy's Jeep with the 2.5" Game Changer.


Nothing bad at all to say about the AEV, but the full Game Changer is just hands down a better lift both on and off road.

I wound up going with the 3.5" Game Changer and did replace drive shafts. I do wheel it hard and it's also my DD and I am very happy with it both on and off road.

I will also say that Metal Cloak has been amazing in the world of customer service. I've called and asked them a ton of questions and if you have any problems at all they will make it right. That alone is worth a lot!
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Spent last night researching both lifts and looking at pages upon pages of 2.5 and 3.5" lift pictures and now I've decided on a brand, but have thrown 2.5/3.5 into the mix. I wish one company would just make a 3" and be done.
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Spent last night researching both lifts and looking at pages upon pages of 2.5 and 3.5" lift pictures and now I've decided on a brand, but have thrown 2.5/3.5 into the mix. I wish one company would just make a 3" and be done.

3.5” looks better, but more is involved to do it right.
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Game Changer is a lot more coin than AEV as well.

What I want to know is how does the Rockport overland 2.5 set up compare to the AEV 2.5?
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3.5” looks better, but more is involved to do it right.
I have always liked the rule of thumb being 3.5" on a four door with 35s.

2.5 for two or four door with 33".
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Ok, lift complete. Here's photo comparison pics between the Metal Cloak 3.5" and the AEV 2.5".

I have at least 200 pounds of bumper and spare tire on the back of the red one, whereas the white one only has the milk jug bumper and the stock sized spare. The red one has the Warn PowerPlant winch which is a heavy beast on the stock Recon bumper. I'd say it's at least 120 lbs heavier than the POS white front bumper.





The AEV distance from the center of the frame rail to the ground.


And the Metal Cloak 3.5" measured at the same location.


Looks like the roofs are at about the same height.




Well... there you have it.
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