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Old 05-02-2018, 12:32 AM
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Alpine Vs. Pioneer, which has better backup and reliabilty?

Finally decided to pickup an alpine ilx107 or a pioneer avh4201nex...

Curious which is more reliable. Need a backup camera soon cause i just backed up into a cart and just got new 35” rims and wheels...dont want to instantly damage things without offroading myself aha thanks guys

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For aftermarket head units, it is hard to go wrong with Alpine, Kenwood and Pioneer- they are the top three brands amongst what is available on the aftermarket. These brands are among the most reliable you will find, though Pioneer uses a delicate internal protection scheme called a "pico fuse" on many of their models that requires the install be made with the vehicle's battery disconnected or bad things can potentially happen...but that is something that ideally you should do regardless of brand. Older Kenwood head units used a similar internal fuse. Installing or making connections to these units with the battery connected can result in noisy operation until the unit is serviced to repair the damaged internal fuse. I have had great results with both Alpine and Pioneer and find both to be pretty solid, and in general would give the sound quality advantage to Alpine and the bang per buck value advantage to Pioneer.

All car audio head unit manufacturers have different ideas as to how to make a user interface, and how they implement various features and group them in various price points, so it would be good to demo the various brands and models in-store to see if you like the interface and on-screen menus. Similar price points don't always mean you are comparing apples to apples in terms of features. Playing with the models you are considering might make the decision an obvious one for you.

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though Pioneer uses a delicate internal protection scheme called a "pico fuse" on many of their models that requires the install be made with the vehicle's battery disconnected or bad things can potentially happen....
This is also an easy fix without sending it in to be repaired. It only happens on the RCA jacks. To find the offending noise connect a ground wire to the radio chassis. Strip a small section on the other end wire and and touch it to the outside of the RCA jack. When the noise disappears you have found the offending channel. Solder the wire to the outside part of the RCA jack on the cable. Rinse and repeat if required.
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As @basicxj said they are all about the same. In the end it comes down to feature set. While the wireless setup of the iLX-107 is pretty cool it is a Apple only radio and not Bluetooth capable. If in the future you moved away from Apple the radio becomes just a radio.

This is a good compare:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-uJying...e-iLX-107.html
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This is also an easy fix without sending it in to be repaired. It only happens on the RCA jacks. To find the offending noise connect a ground wire to the radio chassis. Strip a small section on the other end wire and and touch it to the outside of the RCA jack. When the noise disappears you have found the offending channel. Solder the wire to the outside part of the RCA jack on the cable. Rinse and repeat if required.
I am aware. Grounding the RCAs on a unit with a bad pico fuse is a band-aid that will sometimes eliminate noise, sometimes only reduce it. Disassembly and replacement of the fuse would be the real "fix," and some users have simply bypassed the internal fuse by bridging it with solder or replacing it with a solid strand of wire.

I've installed multiple late model Pioneer head units without ever encountering an issue with the pico fuse, but I am extra careful to ensure the battery is disconnected during install and connection of all components downstream. Another prophylactic measure would be to make good and sure an amplifier connected via RCA is also grounded optimally, as an amp with a poor ground can try to ground through the RCA cables to the head unit, also taking out the pico fuse. I have seen it many times on an audio forum I am involved with, and only mentioned the issue here for the OP as a caveat, as Pioneers aren't quite as robust as other brands when it comes to installer error (or shortcuts if you prefer) or when hot swapping RCAs- when installed as directed, Pioneer head units are perfectly reliable.
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Unrelated to the thread, I had a tour through Everett last week. Nice town

I have been past on the interstate many, many times, but this was my first wander through the city. I liked the people, and laid down many Jeep waves .
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I am aware. Grounding the RCAs on a unit with a bad pico fuse is a band-aid that will sometimes eliminate noise, sometimes only reduce it. Disassembly and replacement of the fuse would be the real "fix," and some users have simply bypassed the internal fuse by bridging it with solder or replacing it with a solid strand of wire.

I've installed multiple late model Pioneer head units without ever encountering an issue with the pico fuse, but I am extra careful to ensure the battery is disconnected during install and connection of all components downstream. Another prophylactic measure would be to make good and sure an amplifier connected via RCA is also grounded optimally, as an amp with a poor ground can try to ground through the RCA cables to the head unit, also taking out the pico fuse. I have seen it many times on an audio forum I am involved with, and only mentioned the issue here for the OP as a caveat, as Pioneers aren't quite as robust as other brands when it comes to installer error (or shortcuts if you prefer) or when hot swapping RCAs- when installed as directed, Pioneer head units are perfectly reliable.
I have the issue on 1 channel solved the issue perfectly. I have modified my system so many times it is a wonder they are not all blown.

Everett is a nice town but I have lived most of my life in the PNW. It is time for a change to some place that see's the sun a bit more.
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As @basicxj said they are all about the same. In the end it comes down to feature set. While the wireless setup of the iLX-107 is pretty cool it is a Apple only radio and not Bluetooth capable. If in the future you moved away from Apple the radio becomes just a radio.



This is a good compare:



https://www.crutchfield.com/S-uJying...e-iLX-107.html


Not sure what you mean by not Bluetooth capable. It uses Bluetooth to establish the wireless connection. Can be used Bluetooth/wireless or USB with iPhone. Very reliable for me so far. Backup camera works great.
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Which is more reliable? If there very similar, the pioneer would be my bang for my buck. I plan to upgrade my speaker to kicker speakers so best bang for my buck
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Not sure what you mean by not Bluetooth capable. It uses Bluetooth to establish the wireless connection. Can be used Bluetooth/wireless or USB with iPhone. Very reliable for me so far. Backup camera works great.
It is a wireless application not Bluetooth. If they where using Bluetooth they would have to say so. Nothing wrong with wireless but they have not specified there spec's and that is worrisome. We know it has to be proprietary because it will only work with the iPhone. Wireless normally will work with any WIFI enabled device.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with the H/U but when comparing to 2 units the Alpine unit does not rise to the same level as the Pioneer unit. IMO the only going for the Alpine unit is the wireless connection which is nice, no fooling with cables.
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What do the backups look like? The pioneer has an extended 4 year warranty through squaretrade when the alpine has like 2-3? Also does crutchfield have holiday sales?
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Which is more reliable? If there very similar, the pioneer would be my bang for my buck. I plan to upgrade my speaker to kicker speakers so best bang for my buck
There is really no data on reliability when it comes to car audio. I have owned them all, even Denon back in the day and have had them all fail. At least now with the internet you can look at the reviews and get a feel for reliability but there is no definitive source.
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Alright cool, guess ill take the chance and pull the trigger on the pioneer. Curious if anyone knows if crutchfield has a holiday sale usually (like memorial day) or should i just get it now
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What do the backups look like? The pioneer has an extended 4 year warranty through squaretrade when the alpine has like 2-3? Also does crutchfield have holiday sales?
If the 4201 is anything like my 8200 it is fine. You adjust the lines via the head unit. It does not have the turn capability I think you where looking for but that can be had by installing a camera with that functionality.
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It seems reliable enough. O just need something to see. This tire is grueling. How much would an install cost you think? And if theres any holiday sales please let me know, otherwise ill purchase it right now
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I don't know if there will be a sale or not. If using Crutchfield make sure you also buy there installation kit. But now that you have a price you can shop your local stereo installers and see if they can beat it. You might get lucky, when I bought my 8200 not only did they match Crutchfield's price they installed it for free.
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I don't know if there will be a sale or not. If using Crutchfield make sure you also buy there installation kit. But now that you have a price you can shop your local stereo installers and see if they can beat it. You might get lucky, when I bought my 8200 not only did they match Crutchfield's price they installed it for free.


Just curious if someone here would know, called my local shops and its more than crutchfield with the install and all

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