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Old 09-19-2011, 10:38 AM
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apparently toyota also makes a jeep equivelant ? pics

until recently i actually thought the old fj40 toyotas were out of production ? well guess what toyota still makes them for the middle east ? which actually makes it even harder for me to choose now...previously it was w brand new wrangler or a station wagon land cruiser which is sold in the us. Now i need ur advice , this jeep land cruiser or the wrangler ? i think both r equally capable but the only downside is the land cruiser has rear leaf springs !!
they come with a v8 single tubro diesel 4.5 v8 or a 4.0 v6 240 hp as found on the fj cruiser









































even comes with lockers





or should i stick with jeeps ?












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It's not a "jeep equivalent," it's the FJ Cruiser.

There are a number of threads here regarding the FJ versus the Wrangler, such as this one, this one, and this one.

And here's an article by 4WheelOffroad comparing the 2009 versions of the two, and concluding the Jeep is the better offroader. That's going to be particularly true in light of the new engine and auto transmissions in the 2012s.

We have a member here who aggressively--though inexplicably--lobbies for all things Toyota and the FJ Cruiser in particular. If your thread catches his eye, he'll be around at some point to lobby for the FJ. You can see his posts, as well as the responses of other members here, in the threads linked above.

Nevertheless, the linked threads and article should do a pretty thorough job of explaining why the Wrangler is going to be a better offroad vehicle.

Go testdrive the vehicles your considering, do your research, and make a choice. Folks here are obviously going to prefer the Wrangler.

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This is the largest CB whip antenna I have ever seen.

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it's not a "jeep equivalent," it's the fj cruiser.

There are a number of threads here regarding the fj versus the wrangler, such as this one, this one, and this one.

And here's an article by 4wheeloffroad comparing the 2009 versions of the two, and concluding the jeep is the better offroader. That's going to be particularly true in light of the new engine and auto transmissions in the 2012s.

We have a member here who aggressively--though inexplicably--lobbies for all things toyota and the fj cruiser in particular. If your thread catches his eye, he'll be around at some point to lobby for the fj. You can see his posts, as well as the responses of other members here, in the threads linked above.

Nevertheless, the linked threads and article should do a pretty thorough job of explaining why the wrangler is going to be a better offroad vehicle.

Go testdrive the vehicles your considering, do your research, and make a choice. Folks here are obviously going to prefer the wrangler.
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the vehicle posted above is no way a fj cruiser !!! the fj cruiser is a gimmick !
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this is it side by side with the fj cruiser













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This is the largest CB whip antenna I have ever seen.
Too funny! This post cracked me up!
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the vehicle posted above is no way a fj cruiser !!! the fj cruiser is a gimmick !
Ahh, I can't see your pics here at work, unfortunately. Each is just a little red "x".
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Yes, it's based on Land Cruiser Series 70 platform. It is also sold in Africa, Australia and Asia as "Land Cruiser Heavy Duty", while the Land Cruiser model that is sold here in the US is called Land Cruiser 200.

The LC 70 is the best heavy duty platform for an off-road vehicle available. It is less refined and "road-friendly" than newer Toyota platforms, but it will outlast anything that Jeep or Toyota build today. Go for it.
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You can keep those, I'll take the FJ44....
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You can keep those, I'll take the FJ44....
Oooo...I like that. Almost looks like an off road version of a Mercedes G-Wagon.
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Just don't show the wife the price tag....
$140,000
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Don't think so hard about it and just by the Jeep. It's a unregretable purchase and the most capable offroad vehlicle you can buy anywhere in the world
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Just don't show the wife the price tag....
$140,000
http://www.wired.com/reviews/2011/06/fj44-icon/
Not sure if you heard that...but that was the sound of my jaw hitting the floor. I think I would rather have 4 new jk's.
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I had a 1966 FJ45 pickup when I was in high school (in late 70's). The most capable 4X4 I have ever had. It was a total rock! PTO Ramsey winch, 258 6, 3 speed. The axels were the equivalent of Dana 60's. It was an ugly rhino mobile but would go up cliffs.

These vehicles are still available in Central and South American countries. I am not sure about Mexico but they are among the best there are. Most are diesel powered as well. Sorry, the JK's don't compare.
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You can keep those, I'll take the FJ44....
I'd take one of those over the Jeep and new FJ's
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I had a 1966 FJ45 pickup when I was in high school (in late 70's). The most capable 4X4 I have ever had. It was a total rock! PTO Ramsey winch, 258 6, 3 speed. The axels were the equivalent of Dana 60's. It was an ugly rhino mobile but would go up cliffs.

These vehicles are still available in Central and South American countries. I am not sure about Mexico but they are among the best there are. Most are diesel powered as well. Sorry, the JK's don't compare.
I agree--have a hard time believing it would be a "civil" vehicle for a "Family" as the JKus are intended and still as capable off road--but it is my opinion only besides---I like American vehicles.
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The length of the antenna doesn't matter, it's the strength of the transmission that counts!
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You can keep those, I'll take the FJ44....
Looks like an ideal candidate for a great Mall Crawler. Any idea what the option price for real paint and clear top coat would add to the $140K base price? I was thinking something like eight inch wide alternating black and white pearlescent zebra stripes set at about a forty-five degree backslash angle and running from bottom to top and found at the centerline.

A dressed out Jersey Gurnsey draped across the hood would be a nice finishing touch and conversation starter.

Can you imagine just leaning against a fender at Cabelo's or Dick's all day Saturday an Sunday with your Safari hat strategically placed on the hood while the locals' jaws drop in envy and bow down to the ultimate pretender to the Jeep Wrangler throne?
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Can you imagine just leaning against a fender at Cabelo's or Dick's all day Saturday an Sunday with your Safari hat strategically placed on the hood while the locals' jaws drop in envy and bow down to the ultimate pretender to the Jeep Wrangler throne?
No pretender. It is a killer but cannot be imported. I definitely like my FJ45 and its build. The only thing I have been around that was maybe better was an old flat fender Power Wagon but its engine dependability was questionable. The running gear definitely not.
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No pretender. It is a killer but cannot be imported. I definitely like my FJ45 and its build. The only thing I have been around that was maybe better was an old flat fender Power Wagon but its engine dependability was questionable. The running gear definitely not.
Just so that no one is confused by the FACTS:

The reason it cannot be imported is because it is already assembled in the United States, Van Nuys, CA. It sports a General Motors small block V8, some Mercedes trim, and other components that Toyota does not serve up.

As far as the Power Wagon with the questionable engine dependability goes, to argue that it is better than the proven all around dependability of the Jeep since 1941 under the most extreme conditions known to man, yes WAR, does not invite fuzzy warm feelings when the chips are down.

So like I said of the FJ44, until one has actually OWNED and driven it nose to tail with the Wrangler, I do not see any merit in opinions that simply are not factually based.

Enough said. Have a nice day.
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Just so that no one is confused by the FACTS:

The reason it cannot be imported is because it is already assembled in the United States, Van Nuys, CA. It sports a General Motors small block V8, some Mercedes trim, and other components that Toyota does not serve up.

As far as the Power Wagon with the questionable engine dependability goes, to argue that it is better than the proven all around dependability of the Jeep since 1941 under the most extreme conditions known to man, yes WAR, does not invite fuzzy warm feelings when the chips are down.

So like I said of the FJ44, until one has actually OWNED and driven it nose to tail with the Wrangler, I do not see any merit in opinions that simply are not factually based.

Enough said. Have a nice day.
I did own a 1966 FJ45 Land Cruiser Pickup. It was equipped with a '68 engine and had a Ramsey PTO winch. The overhang/angle of the rear bumper did occasionally cause it to drag on extreme climbing at the beginning (bumper would drag and rear wheels would lift off ground. When this happened you were committed to continue to top of hill and it was usually a cliff). Its top and doors were removable too.

I grew up in northern Montana. In 1978 there was an article about the FJ45's in Four Wheeler magazine that drew a subsequent letter to the editor from a professor from Wisconsin stating he had one but was looking for another. I contacted him and sold him mine. I drove it out there for him. I contacted him a couple of years ago and he said the truck is now in Laramie, Wyoming. He had driven it from Madison to Mohave several time and never had any issues with it.

So, having owned an example of both vehicles, I have a very qualified opinion on the capabilities, abilities, and strengths of both. Given the opportunity to own a modern example of the FJ44 or FJ45, I would consider one one of the special production ones from a shop in Van Nuys. I would buy one of the Toyota produced trucks that are used in Australia, Africa, the Middle East, and Central and South America. My engine of choice would not be a Vortec but rather the stock diesel.

Nevertheless, I enjoy my JK very much. It is way more comfortable and capable for daily use. It would come up short in the really tough stuff though.

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