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Old 06-19-2019, 12:04 AM   #61
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One thing is for sure. The Advanced Auto Platinum and Duralast Platinum are the same as the ACDelco AGM.
https://getmybattery.com/products/34agm



And you can find it for less $ than both the AutoCraft and Duralast alternatives.
https://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-34AGM...gateway&sr=8-1


So maybe the AAP and Duralast AGM are manufactured by ACDelco?

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Anyways, the brand name ACDelco is owned by GM. Delphi supplied GM batteries, and then sold its battery business to JCI. I guess we can therefore conclude that Advanced Auto, Duralast, and ACDelco AGM batteries are now manufactured by JCI.


Now interested to know if there is a Made In ? stamp on any of those batteries.

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The Interstate I got on my list is made by JCI in Mexico. Likely the key point to keep in mind is that we're focusing on AGM batteries. Does JCI make most of their AGM type of batteries in Wisconsin?

What other Group size 34 AGMs does JCI make? I'ld like to add them to my list, especially if they're not made in Mexico.

So far with some of my research some have stated the Advanced Auto Platinum is made by JCI and others have said Enersys. A stamp on the battery saying Made in Mexico and it being an AGM battery would seem to make the fingers point more towards the AAP being a JCI battery than an Enersys is all I'm saying.
Guess things are a-changin'. I haven't worked for JCI for a number of years. Back in the day you could buy a JCI battery at cost but you had to pick it up from the factory in Milwaukee. They'd ship you the Optima though.
I've lost touch with all but one of my former colleagues. And most of the people that I knew are bailing out on Exide too.
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Guess things are a-changin'. I haven't worked for JCI for a number of years. Back in the day you could buy a JCI battery at cost but you had to pick it up from the factory in Milwaukee. They'd ship you the Optima though.
I've lost touch with all but one of my former colleagues. And most of the people that I knew are bailing out on Exide too.

This article came out in 2016
https://www.moderntiredealer.com/new...-agm-batteries


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Johnson Controls Inc. is investing $245 million to double production capacity of Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM) batteries in North America.
The company will add six battery production lines in the U.S. and Mexico between 2016 and 2020.
The company says the majority of the AGM expansion will be in the U.S. and it wants to “work with local officials before sharing the actual locations.”
Johnson Controls says it is finalizing the details of where the new lines will be added, and how many new jobs they will create, but each one will add employment.

So JCI is adding 6 new AGM production lines, with the "majority" planned for USA. So 4 were added somewhere in the US?


I don't have time to dig into what actually happened but the original writing sounded like JCI was really tip towing around the truth. Doubling production capacity in "North America".
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The Interstate I got on my list is made by JCI in Mexico. Likely the key point to keep in mind is that we're focusing on AGM batteries. Does JCI make most of their AGM type of batteries in Wisconsin?

What other Group size 34 AGMs does JCI make? I'ld like to add them to my list, especially if they're not made in Mexico.

So far with some of my research some have stated the Advanced Auto Platinum is made by JCI and others have said Enersys. A stamp on the battery saying Made in Mexico and it being an AGM battery would seem to make the fingers point more towards the AAP being a JCI battery than an Enersys is all I'm saying.
Johnson Controls recently sold their Power Solutions (batteries) to a investment firm, yeah to a fuc&*^% INVESTMENT firm.

Expect any remaining factories in USA to close. Soon it will be impossible to find a USA made battery or anything for that matter.
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Johnson Controls recently sold their Power Solutions (batteries) to a investment firm, yeah to a fuc&*^% INVESTMENT firm.

Expect any remaining factories in USA to close. Soon it will be impossible to find a USA made battery or anything for that matter.
They've been concentrating on their core business for a number of years. Every industry is doing that now ---- to appeal to investment funds better.
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They've been concentrating on their core business for a number of years. Every industry is doing that now ---- to appeal to investment funds better.
Core Competencies was the Harvard Business school speak in the early 2000's. This happened after the "Diversify and Buy" decade of the 90's. These eggheads just keep recycling the same old MBA speak every decade or so. One decade it's buy up companies, diversify our offerings! Then after 10 years or so of that, they chant "Sell off any business unit that doesn't reflect our core competencies!"

Give it time, soon enough it will be all about growth and diversify into new markets again.
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Core Competencies was the Harvard Business school speak in the early 2000's. This happened after the "Diversify and Buy" decade of the 90's. These eggheads just keep recycling the same old MBA speak every decade or so. One decade it's buy up companies, diversify our offerings! Then after 10 years or so of that, they chant "Sell off any business unit that doesn't reflect our core competencies!"

Give it time, soon enough it will be all about growth and diversify into new markets again.
I have more than double the PTO since JCI sold our unit off...
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Core Competencies was the Harvard Business school speak in the early 2000's. This happened after the "Diversify and Buy" decade of the 90's. These eggheads just keep recycling the same old MBA speak every decade or so. One decade it's buy up companies, diversify our offerings! Then after 10 years or so of that, they chant "Sell off any business unit that doesn't reflect our core competencies!"

Give it time, soon enough it will be all about growth and diversify into new markets again.

That sounds about right. I've been with the same company for the past 17 years. One of the few with that much background history. I've seen the diversify the portfolio and then followed by the consolidate and focus on core competencies cycle machine a couple times already. We're currently in the buy up and diversify stage cycle, where it seems like the right hand has no idea what the left is doing most of the time, and it's currently trending towards the consolidate and refocus on core competencies direction. It has all happened under the same CEO. Only folks like myself who have been with the company long enough witness the cycles where if you would have taken a snap shot corporate speech from 10 years ago and played it next to one from today, you would think that CEO had a bi-polar disorder since they would be saying almost the exact opposite.
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That sounds about right. I've been with the same company for the past 17 years. One of the few with that much background history. I've seen the diversify the portfolio and then followed by the consolidate and focus on core competencies cycle machine a couple times already. We're currently in the buy up and diversify stage cycle, where it seems like the right hand has no idea what the left is doing most of the time, and it's currently trending towards the consolidate and refocus on core competencies direction. It has all happened under the same CEO. Only folks like myself who have been with the company long enough witness the cycles where if you would have taken a snap shot corporate speech from 10 years ago and played it next to one from today, you would think that CEO had a bi-polar disorder since they would be saying almost the exact opposite.
He's behind the times...

I've worked for the same company 44 years... and we've been merged, divested, relisted, purchased others, been sold, now owned by a huge conglomerate...

The list goes on...

Name of the game today is to buy troubled iconic brands, cut their budgets about 25% and fix them without a name change. Then create the most convoluted matrix organization one can muster up, bundle all the misfits together with the alike (called Op-Co's) ... then give them a new public offering name, create some hype, and spin them off as an IPO...

Sounds like fun, huh? That's the new playbook...

Watch what happens to GE... Larry was our former CEO.

I'm about 3 years from retirement - and I can't wait.

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He's behind the times...

I've worked for the same company 44 years... and we've been merged, divested, relisted, purchased others, been sold, now owned by a huge conglomerate...

The list goes on...

Name of the game today is to buy troubled iconic brands, cut their budgets about 25% and fix them without a name change. Then create the most convoluted matrix organization one can muster up, bundle all the misfits together with the alike (called Op-Co's) ... then give them a new public offering name, create some hype, and spin them off as an IPO...

Sounds like fun, huh? That's the new playbook...

Watch what happens to GE... Larry was our former CEO.

I'm about 3 years from retirement - and I can't wait.

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Wow! That sounds so familiar.


My favorite part of the playbook has been the continuous push telling everyone how great companies are made up of people from different cultures to create diversification and we have a once a year required training on diversification. I have no problem working with people from different cultures, backgrounds and enjoy learning things about their culture. However, my idea of diversification seems to be different where I've been thinking that if you live in an area which has a population make up of 40% Caucasian, 30% Negro, 11% Arab, 9% Hispanic, 3% Asian, 2% Indian, and 1% other, then your work force make up likely shouldn't be 85% Indian nationality unless there was a very conscience effort to make that happen which seems to have a lot more in common with racism than diversification. I could be mistaken but the only time I feel like I'm the token Caucasian guy wherever I travel in my area is when I walk into my work. Of course I could never raise that point of observation with anyone in HR since I'm the Caucasian guy and I would be the one who would immediately be classified as being a racist.
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then your work force make up likely shouldn't be 85% Indian nationality unless there was a very conscience effort to make that happen which seems to have a lot more in common with racism than diversification. I could be mistaken but the only time I feel like I'm the token Caucasian guy wherever I travel in my area is when I walk into my work. Of course I could never raise that point of observation with anyone in HR since I'm the Caucasian guy and I would be the one who would immediately be classified as being a racist.
For about ten years, my company has had an openly stated policy that a minimum of 60% of IT staffing must be Indian contractors. I don't know how they get away with it. And I'd estimate the reality is more like what you've seen, probably somewhere around 85% if not more.

The interesting part is that the most aggressive opposition to this I've noticed are Indians who have gone to the effort to become US citizens. Those guys are viscious in their opinions of their former neighbors.

I've been dealing with lowest-bidder contract developers for about 15 years, and all I can say is -- you get what you pay for (and eventually I have to fix it).

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With the AGM battery's do you have to use a special charger to bring them back to full charge every once in a while when using them in the Jeep?

I seam to recall seeing something about having to charge them before you install them and then every few months after to keep best performance.
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With the AGM battery's do you have to use a special charger to bring them back to full charge every once in a while when using them in the Jeep?

I seam to recall seeing something about having to charge them before you install them and then every few months after to keep best performance.
Not really any different than any other battery in those regards in my opinion.

The problems tend to be with the JK's alternator. "Some" AGMs require a slightly higher voltage to ensure they're charging at an optimal rate. None of them require more than 14volts which is around the typical voltage that the JK's alternator puts out. If you combine that slightly higher voltage charging requirement of the battery with a JK alternator which is outputing less voltage than your average JK alternator, then you have a combined recipe for a battery that will not be getting recharged fully, and once a battery starts to fall below 75% of full charge, life expectancy starts to decrease. That's no different than any other lead acid battery. Folks tend to blame the battery if it fails earlier than expected when the real problem is likely their alternator and they'll further speculate that when they purchased a charger to recharge it fully every 3 months that the battery lasted longer. Well, that's because the charger is now doing what their lower performing alternator should have been doing.


With that said, I did purchase one of these smart chargers from HF for $35 and put it on my AGM battery about every 6 months or just after I've did some powering of devices that could highly drain the battery, just to ensure my battery is fully charged.




That's not because of the battery, that's just because I don't fully trust my alternator is keeping the battery fully charged like it should be. That's a good practice for any type of battery in my opinion.
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Be sure to upgrade the battery terminals at the same time especially the negative.

What upgrade do you recommend?
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Found this and thought I'd share. It's a few years old, but contains some good explanations of the differences in modern batteries and includes a test of some of the most popular brands.

AGM Battery Technology | Hendon Publishing
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