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Old 05-14-2012, 05:36 PM
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Bent LCA Bracket/Frame, Repair or Replace? with picts

I noticed my lower control arm bracket was bent, the bracket that meet the frame, not the axle. Does this need to be replaced or repaired? I've seen replacement brackets for the bracket that mounts to the axel, but none for the frame bracket.

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That's not that bad at all. Go to Home Depot or what ever and get a Map Gas torch. When you get home unbolt the arm, heat the bracket with the torch, and hammer it back it place.

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That sounds great. I'll do that when i swap out the bolts - i just got the kit from Synergy.
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mines pancaked way worse than that,,, just leave it alone,, heat will change the temperament of the metal.
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mines pancaked way worse than that,,, just leave it alone,, heat will change the temperament of the metal.

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Isn't that a tear in the frame connection just above and tot he left of the conrol arm linkage? If so, wouldn't you want to weld that back into shae?
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Isn't that a tear in the frame connection just above and tot he left of the conrol arm linkage? If so, wouldn't you want to weld that back into shae?
Whoa, What? I don't think so, but I'll take a closer look when i get home.
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Isn't that a tear in the frame connection just above and tot he left of the conrol arm linkage? If so, wouldn't you want to weld that back into shae?
no ,, not a tear, its the way the metal is stamped.
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Get some LCA skids, easy to install and will save ALL LCAs-

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Get some LCA skids, easy to install and will save ALL LCAs-
I don't think the OP can install skids with it bent and agree with the other poster about not heating and bending it back. I'd weld some 1/4" plate on it at this point, as is.

I butchered mine day one with some 1/4" and my friends welder . I can't weld worth a darn, they always come out like glue gun welds but it's held.

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I don't think the OP can install skids with it bent and agree with the other poster about not heating and bending it back. I'd weld some 1/4" plate on it at this point, as is.

I butchered mine day one with some 1/4" and my friends welder . I can't weld worth a darn, they always come out like glue gun welds but it's held.

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You figure he can't straightem out that one and there are three other LCA bkts that, easy install skids can go right on--

He doesn't need welding equip./expertise, just sockets/torque wrench-

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... You figure he can't straightem out that one and there are three other LCA bkts that, easy install skids can go right on--
Jimbo, I can't figure out for sure what you're saying above.
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Well EAD said that he couldn't put one of the LCA skids on with that bkt all bashed--


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Jimbo, I can't figure out for sure what you're saying above.
Well, of course not, drop the LCA-getta BFH, do a little trussing and beat/bend the bkt, back straight--then

Rancho/Rugged Ridge/OffRoadMotorSports and others all make LCA skids for the Dana axles and front frame bkts-

The rear axles and front axles/frame are the most important spots-the rear LCA frame bkt, has a stock "slideover" bracket already--

Now if the OP is getting into extreme "rocking" then he's probably gonna need more :skidding" anyway--never can tell-

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Well EAD said that he couldn't put one of the LCA skids on with that bkt all bashed--

Well, of course not, drop the LCA-getta BFH, do a little trussing and beat/bend the bkt, back straight--then

Rancho/Rugged Ridge/OffRoadMotorSports and others all make LCA skids for the Dana axles and front frame bkts-

The rear axles and front axles/frame are the most important spots-the rear LCA frame bkt, has a stock "slideover" bracket already--

Now if the OP is getting into extreme "rocking" then he's probably gonna need more :skidding" anyway--never can tell-

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I do diggit. But I didn't know they made LCA skids for the upper (rather than lower) LCA linkages.

I got some fancy lowers:





But I never eve thought to skid the upper linkages.
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Any broken control arm brackets frameside or axleside, the Only name you should consider is JKS. Weld on apps far exceed OEM. www.jksmfg.com
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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "LCA Linkage", but

Anything underneath exposed should be skidded if you do much offroad and then the strength/size, will depend on your ultimate off-road use-



You will automatically loose some ground clearance, but weigh the two options !

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I'm not quite sure what you mean by "LCA Linkage", but

Anything underneath exposed should be skidded if you do much offroad and then the strength/size, will depend on your ultimate off-road use-


You will automatically loose some ground clearance, but weigh the two options !

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By LCA "linkage," I mean where the LCA is linked to the vehicle (at the bottom, to the axle; at the top, to the frame).

I've got most of it covered:





But I don't have the upper LCA linkages (where they "link" to the frame) skidded.
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Just offering up an alternative. I'm cheap with my own JK and my skids were close to free. It's nice to have a friend with a welder.

I make him do most of the work. We made some homemade gas tank skids when our JKs were brand new and a bunch of control arm skids.

Yes he is welding right by the gas tank and yes that is an empty plastic cup that previously contained Jack Danial's on the welder

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Just offering up an alternative. I'm cheap with my own JK and my skids were close to free. It's nice to have a friend with a welder.

I make him do most of the work. We made some homemade gas tank skids when our JKs were brand new and a bunch of control arm skids.

Yes he is welding right by the gas tank and yes that is an empty plastic cup that previously contained Jack Danial's on the welder

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We tend to offer suggestions that WE use for OUR off-roading and forget that the majority of these new jeepers are young married/kids/jeep DD/family and have a mortgage/wife/ and can't afford the jeep down time. or don't really need all the crap we use and they go camping with a popup trailer !

Whats up with that !

If I hadda buddy welding around my gastank----he sure as hell wouldn't be drinking before/during and I'd be outta Dodge anyway !


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Just offering up an alternative. I'm cheap with my own JK and my skids were close to free. It's nice to have a friend with a welder.

I make him do most of the work. We made some homemade gas tank skids when our JKs were brand new and a bunch of control arm skids.

Yes he is welding right by the gas tank and yes that is an empty plastic cup that previously contained Jack Danial's on the welder

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Just offering up an alternative. I'm cheap with my own JK and my skids were close to free. It's nice to have a friend with a welder.

I make him do most of the work. We made some homemade gas tank skids when our JKs were brand new and a bunch of control arm skids.

Yes he is welding right by the gas tank and yes that is an empty plastic cup that previously contained Jack Danial's on the welder

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Funny Alec. Is that they guy who shares my first name?

So I just snapped some pics of my frame/LCA mounts.

It looks like the rear ones are fine the way they are:





My front ones, however, have taken some abuse:





Should I skid the front ones, and if so, with what?
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I don't know about the front FRAME LCA bkts, may have to be a welded one anyway, but you should SKID the front Dana axle LCA bkts--they're more prone to damage-

Question, why are your front ADJ LCAs locknuts LOOSE ???

Not good, that will degrade the threads by not using the JJs-

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I don't know about the front FRAME LCA bkts, may have to be a welded one anyway, but you should SKID the front Dana axle LCA bkts--they're more prone to damage-

Question, why are your front ADJ LCAs locknuts LOOSE ???

Not good, that will degrade the threads by not using the JJs-

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I've got my LCA/shock/axle mounts all skidded front and rear.



I have know idea as to the LCA locknuts. That's the way the installer did it when he alligned it. You saying the locknut should be down against the LCA tube? If so, I'll work on that.
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Yeah, the jam (lock) nut secures the threaded portion of the (adj) LCA to the Johnny Joint/Spherical joint so the threads aren't LOOSE and get "cycled" every time the front axle goes up/down--


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I've got my LCA/shock/axle mounts all skidded front and rear.



I have know idea as to the LCA locknuts. That's the way the installer did it when he alligned it. You saying the locknut should be down against the LCA tube? If so, I'll work on that.
There's no way forit to "fall off", but in not too many miles the LCA threaded fit is going to get "sloppy" and when they're "locked" the joint takes all the abuse and is either pregreased or greaseable to cushion that !

Mine are greaseable and I have the "jam" nuts as tight as my 2' cresent wrench will getem !

Checkemout-

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It's too easy to forget that when a newby asks a question about the jeeps belly-

We tend to offer suggestions that WE use for OUR off-roading and forget that the majority of these new jeepers are young married/kids/jeep DD/family and have a mortgage/wife/ and can't afford the jeep down time. or don't really need all the crap we use and they go camping with a popup trailer !

Whats up with that !
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Easy Jimbo - I would like to think I'm not "that guy"

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My front ones, however, have taken some abuse:





Should I skid the front ones, and if so, with what?
That's the question I was getting at - how do you protect these things?

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I have heard good things about JKS, but as far as I can tell, they do not offer anything for this application.
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Yeah, the jam (lock) nut secures the threaded portion of the (adj) LCA to the Johnny Joint/Spherical joint so the threads aren't LOOSE and get "cycled" every time the front axle goes up/down--




There's no way forit to "fall off", but in not too many miles the LCA threaded fit is going to get "sloppy" and when they're "locked" the joint takes all the abuse and is either pregreased or greaseable to cushion that !

Mine are greaseable and I have the "jam" nuts as tight as my 2' cresent wrench will getem !

Checkemout-

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Just went by my installer on the way home for this and a few questions about future mods. He says that that nut is NOT loose and is not a jam nut. It is a nut that allows you to adjust the length of the Synergy LCA without removing the LCA. Alec, am I correct?
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General statements--most new jeep owners, have never had one before and feel that--it's gotta be lifted/big fancy wheels and a roof rack/w cage on top--


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Easy Jimbo - I would like to think I'm not "that guy"



That's the question I was getting at - how do you protect these things?



I have heard good things about JKS, but as far as I can tell, they do not offer anything for this application.
Like said-it'll depend on your range of off-road use for general skids or weldon very sturdy ones-all the bolt on LCA skids use new LCA bolts/21mm and 3/16 to 1/4" boxes-easy install, just gotta torquem (125 ftlbs)-

They're not for racing, just easy rocking !

Rancho/Skidrow/Tellico/Currie/OffRoadEvolution/Rugged Ridge--google JK Jeep LCA Scids-


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Ya got me on that one, I giveup-he may be right for your LCAs, but the other adj type use a jam nut and mine come with instructions to that effect-


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Just went by my installer on the way home for this and a few questions about future mods. He says that that nut is NOT loose and is not a jam nut. It is a nut that allows you to adjust the length of the Synergy LCA without removing the LCA. Alec, am I correct?
Heh Heh, it just don't look right !

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General statements--most new jeep owners, have never had one before and feel that--it's gotta be lifted/big fancy wheels and a roof rack/w cage on top--
Very true - I'm quite jealous of your roof rack!

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Like said-it'll depend on your range of off-road use for general skids or weldon very sturdy ones-all the bolt on LCA skids use new LCA bolts/21mm and 3/16 to 1/4" boxes-easy install, just gotta torquem (125 ftlbs)-

They're not for racing, just easy rocking !

Rancho/Skidrow/Tellico/Currie/OffRoadEvolution/Rugged Ridge--google JK Jeep LCA Scids-

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I have googled all of those - I have no problem finding skids for the LCA/axle bracket, but nothing for the LCA/frame bracket.

Another Question: I just ordered the Synergy F911 bolt kit. Are these bolts compatible with the bolt-on LCA skids?
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Well, IDK about that, the LCA skids have to have their new bolts 1/2 to 3/4" longer and that kit, doesn't know about the skids, however all the new LCA skids come with new replacement bolts/nuts-


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Very true - I'm quite jealous of your roof rack!

I image the LCA frame would have to have a welded box, like EADs-


I have googled all of those - I have no problem finding skids for the LCA/axle bracket, but nothing for the LCA/frame bracket.

Another Question: I just ordered the Synergy F911 bolt kit. Are these bolts compatible with the bolt-on LCA skids?
I think the FRONT LCA bkt skid would have to be welded, like EADs--, you don't need a rear LCA FRAME skid-

Thats why he was ref'ing JKS !!!!

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