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Old 09-20-2013, 02:35 PM
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All the impact guns I have ever used were friction ring and the standard manual type ratchets have been pin detent. That includes 3/4" and 1" impact guns as well.

I think the air ratchet I have is pin detent as well.

IIRC the difference is in the gun / ratchet not necessarily the socket.

If there are options, I cannot see a benefit of one over the other.
The sockets have to fit the wrench though, I just hadn't thought of this - that there was a different type of fitting socket such as the ones designed for a friction ring wrench or a pin detent one.

Wait...could a pin detent type socket still work on a friction ring wrench?

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They are interchangeable. The friction ring on the gun will compress silghtly & the detent will suck in even if you get the socket on 90 degrees off.

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I have a dewalt, and a few Milwaukee 1/2" cordless imparts (I think 3/8 are Not for me as they wont take off a LCA bolt even if bound up).

I have waited for teh New Fuel to come out -
Milwaukee M18 FUEL 1/2" High Torque Impact Wrench w/ Pin Detent Kit 2762-22

I have to say this is the "best". But your looking for cheap also it sounds like?

I use my air impact all day every Sat and Sun. I regear about 10-30 axles a month. I use a impact socket over a chrom socket about once a month at most. Never had a socket explode or shatter. My guns are 700lbs + (rated up to 1100lbs but cant expect thats true, maybe though).

buy it once and buy it right and save money...
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Just realized the one in the TF videos is a snap on electric impact.
blue point for sure
looks like they use child labor in their videos as well
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There are times when a 12 pt chrome thin wall socket has to be used in tight spots when a 6 point impact just won't fit.

The few times (2 maybe 3) I have blown out chrome sockets, the sockets were chinese garbage, not exactly snapon or the old quality craftsman ones.
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There are times when a 12 pt chrome thin wall socket has to be used in tight spots when a 6 point impact just won't fit.

The few times (2 maybe 3) I have blown out chrome sockets, the sockets were chinese garbage, not exactly snapon or the old quality craftsman ones.
Yep, you need both. Also shallow and deep well. Which usually means 1/2" and 3/8" - so you need a tool chest (top and bottom) - it takes about 10-20 years to fill up, then it just slows to a few tools per year.
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There were a few I think on this thread saying that the 3/8 would be fine for most everything under the JK and just to use a 1/2 drive adapter for the others. My concern has been I know the 1/2 drive would be enough torque for most everything LCA bolts, TB bolts etc but it is more money and the wrench is larger at about double the weight.

Can't have it all I suppose. I'm still leaning towards the Milwaukee 3/8 M18 fuel drive currently $259 for it, two batteries, and a charging station.
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it takes about 10-20 years to fill up, then it just slows to a few tools per year.
As I have mentioned to my wife: Every new project, I get a new tool.



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Pull an engine = new hoist AND an engine stand.
Paint the house = airless sprayer.

Unless I already have everything for the job. Then I make something up to tell my wife so that I can buy a new toy - Delta band saw last month for the hot water heater.
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^ Yep as a man you have to do a lot of things but you get new toys along the way.
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Any one using the Milwaukee M12 series impact driver? Saw a few comments on the M18, but nothing for the M12. I know it is only 200 in lbs, but for general light usage, I was wondering what the general consensus is/ Thanks.
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Milwaukee used to make really good stuff, but I don't know about the stuff they're making now. We bought 6 angle grinders 4 months ago. All six have been rebuilt under warranty. One only lasted an hour and another less than a week and these were the heavy duty 4 1/2 inch grinders, not the cheaper light duty ones.
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Delta band saw last month for the hot water heater.
that's some funny stuff.
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Any one using the Milwaukee M12 series impact driver? Saw a few comments on the M18, but nothing for the M12. I know it is only 200 in lbs, but for general light usage, I was wondering what the general consensus is/ Thanks.

Impacts draw quite a bit of power...a 18V is going to have a lot more life. As far as torque 200 lbs sounds like a lot but 200 marketing pounds of torque generally doesn't equal 200 lbs of real world torque in my experience. I've owned a couple 250 lb torque wrenches that couldn't break free a lug bolt that was torqued down to 90 ft lbs. (1 Husky and 1 Craftsman)

I have a good air impact for the heavy duty stuff (AirCat 1150 and the thing is an absolute beast....the only wrench I've used that seems to have more noodle than the IR235Ti) I also have a Milwaukee 18V impact that is rated at 450 ft lbs that works great as well. If I'm going to be using it all day I go for the air impact but I do find myself grabbing the cordless a lot more often lately since I don't need to haul out an air line and the cordless has plenty of power to tackle most everything. The Milwaukee cordless tools are pricey but they seem to be top shelf.....I get very good battery life and find the "fuel meter" on each pack to be a great asset. You don't grab an almost empty battery and get all the way to your job only to find out it needs to be charged. The packs take about 1/2 hour to charge and last for several hours of use. The other Milwaukee cordless tool I find myself using quite a bit on my Jeep is the cordless shop vac....not running extension cords is is the bee's knees.
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Can't decide between the Milwaukee 1/2 drive or the 3/8 drive. I don't have an impact socket set yet so that's not quite a factor until I get the wrench. Previously I purchased mostly 3/8 drive chrome sockets because my wrenches all needed to be smaller to get better access under the jeep but an impact wrench is probably small enough that I could go with a 1/2 drive (maybe more torque/power?) this go round.
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that's some funny stuff.
Well how else are you going to cut a piece of 1" copper tubing?

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This is the set I have , I have used the hell out of it especially during my conversion and I still love it
DEWALT 20-Volt Max Li-Ion Cordless Combo Kit (2-Tool)-DCK280C2 at The Home Depot
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Okay resurrection thread of the day.
I have both a 1/2" air ratchet and 1/2" HF EQ impact wrench

1) will both work for shock bolts, TB bolts, etc. or will they blow up the bolt?? lol. EQ wrench has up to 475 lbs torque, where the air ratchet has like 250 i think.
never used either so i just dont wana destroy my bolts for re-torquing my lift bolts.

2) do you need a special socket for lug nuts? and can you overtighten them with an impact wrench??

Total noob when it comes to air tools so help would be great. Just dont wana break my bolts
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I have the same air tools as you, good stuff.

You can use them on all your bolts, just don't go crazy on them when it tightens up and starts hammering down.

Lug nuts, just use a torque wrench, you don't want a broken stud from uneven torque or over torqued lugs nuts. Sometimes I'll start my lug nuts with the lowest power setting on the impact, then drop the jeep, and finish up with a torque wrench. However, even on the lowest setting if I let the impact go too long it will over torque them. Safest way is the old fashioned way, doesn't take long anyhow.
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This will probably annoy the crap out of most of the posters to this thread, but...

Years ago I asked a very experienced mechanic why he was using a breaker bar rather than an impact wrench to get some stubborn nuts off my Jeep manifold. He replied that there wasn't anything an impact wrench could loosen that a breaker bar couldn't.
The experiences of others may be different, but at a fraction of the cost and space required to haul it around, I've found this to be the only tool that I need for tough nuts and bolts.
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This will probably annoy the crap out of most of the posters to this thread, but...

Years ago I asked a very experienced mechanic why he was using a breaker bar rather than an impact wrench to get some stubborn nuts off my Jeep manifold. He replied that there wasn't anything an impact wrench could loosen that a breaker bar couldn't.
The experiences of others may be different, but at a fraction of the cost and space required to haul it around, I've found this to be the only tool that I need for tough nuts and bolts.
Except for when you can't get a breaker bar to that specific bolt hah

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