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Old 12-12-2019, 05:27 PM
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BFGoodrich KM3 vs Toyo Open Country M/T

Hey, it's almost 2020 people, wake the Fook up and tell me which tire you like/love more or dislike/hate more....
BFGoodrich KM3...…...Or the Toyo Open Country M/T.



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On my Jeep I’ve had KM2 35s and KM3 37s and in the past KO2s on my trucks and all I can say is BFG makes a good product and I’ve been happy with them. Don’t know anything about Toyo.
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I have KM2's I can't wear em out. It's starting to piss me off
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^^^^^thats funny......
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I have KM2's I can't wear em out. It's starting to piss me off
Seems like a good problem to have. I have the KM2's as well and will be changing them soon.. Need to figure this non-sense out!
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I have had KM2's and now have KM3's. I like the KM3's better than the KM2's off road. The 3's seem to have better sidewall grip. They also seem to have better traction on road as well, maybe too much at times. I think the 2's may wear better but i'm not 100% sure as I only had the 35" 2's about 18 months before upgrading to the 37" 3's.
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My KM3s are terrific. I'm sure you can't go wrong with Toyo either though
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I'll be the outlier.

KM3s had a lot of promise which they've failed to live up to.

They are super heavy when compared with their competitors.

On rock grip is subpar. We do a ton of sandstone rock crawling where I am and the Jeeps with the KM3s seriously struggle. It's become an ongoing joke in our group. It's definitely the tires and not the rig, in case you'd say that. A couple have switched to other brands a3bd immediately noticed a difference.

I'm sure they're great tires for bigger 4x4 trucks. Just not for Jeeps.

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BFGoodrich KM3 vs Toyo Open Country M/T

No heat here. If I had a purely off-road rig that I trailered I would definitely look for other tires, but off-road maximum grip is not the only thing I consider when buying a tire.

For example, I have driven through miles of obsidian rock that slash up tires and found that the BFGs held up well.
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No heat here. If I had a purely off-road rig that I trailered I would definitely look for other tires, but off-road maximum grip is not the only thing I consider when buying a tire.
Fair enough. Since I posted my last, I did some more research and found that the KM3 is actually pretty competitive on weight with others. The Toyo is the heaviest by far ( I compared 37x12.50 R17) at 84lbs. Gawddamn!

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I'll be the outlier.

KM3s had a lot of promise which they've failed to live up to.

They are super heavy when compared with their competitors.

On rock grip is subpar. We do a ton of sandstone rock crawling where I am and the Jeeps with the KM3s seriously struggle. It's become an ongoing joke in our group. It's definitely the tires and not the rig, in case you'd say that. A couple have switched to other brands a3bd immediately noticed a difference.

I'm sure they're great tires for bigger 4x4 trucks. Just not for Jeeps.

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So I see your other post, obviously the weight is good. But where have you seen them perform badly (? I have had nothing but good experiences with the km2's getting through all sorts of conditions. I've heard the km3's are a lot better. But once again, not perfect for all environments.
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So I see your other post, obviously the weight is good. But where have you seen them perform badly (? I have had nothing but good experiences with the km2's getting through all sorts of conditions. I've heard the km3's are a lot better. But once again, not perfect for all environments.
I explained it in the post you quoted. I could go into more detail but not really necessary. They just don't grip as well as all of the other tires our group uses, which pretty much runs the gamut of every brand. I wouldn't have an issue going with them if I wasn't rock crawling.

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interesting read altho just paper comparisons between the KM2 and KM3

BFG KM3 Mud T/A First Impressions. | Northridge Nation News

I have never been in a vehicle that has had KM3's so no personal experience, but I am surprised they don't grip well on Sandstone as even wet that stuff offers incredible traction.
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interesting read altho just paper comparisons between the KM2 and KM3

BFG KM3 Mud T/A First Impressions. | Northridge Nation News

I have never been in a vehicle that has had KM3's so no personal experience, but I am surprised they don't grip well on Sandstone as even wet that stuff offers incredible traction.
Not that they don't grip well, but compared to others, they lack grip.

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I’ve been running the Toyos for a while. On the rocks. Moab, Rubicon, Fordyce, etc. I can’t speak to mud or snow performance. They’ve taken a beating and held up well. I wasn’t thrilled with the traction at first, but lowered PSI from 12 to 8 and it’s night and day.
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My tip is to be fanatical about rotating KM3s. I didn't rotate for 6 months through summer and spring. Dumb. It took a re-balance and a road trip of 1500 miles to get rid of the

wom-wom-wom-wom-wom-wom

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I’ve been running the Toyos for a while. On the rocks. Moab, Rubicon, Fordyce, etc. I can’t speak to mud or snow performance. They’ve taken a beating and held up well. I wasn’t thrilled with the traction at first, but lowered PSI from 12 to 8 and it’s night and day.
I can't speak from first hand experience (yet), but from my observations tire pressure, or more directly tire deformation, can be a big factor in traction.

In the future I'll try to bookmark some videos, but just watching the train of cars scale an obstacle, those with the right deformation seem to have the least slip. The factors controlling that are tire selection, rim width, sidewall height, and pressure.

Have you considered the Milestar Patagonia M/T?
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Have you considered the Milestar Patagonia M/T?
I have not personally, since my Toyos are less than a year old and still have life in them. But I have a couple of friends running Patagonias. I haven’t heard any complaints from them. I’ve seen them bashed mercilessly on another forum, but it’s not clear to me that the criticisms stem from performance of the tires.
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The toyos do have alot of good reviews....
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My tip is to be fanatical about rotating KM3s.

Every 3000 miles for me, with spare.

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