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Old 05-11-2017, 06:19 PM
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Big Rotor Kit questions

I want to increase my knowledge of brake upgrades as my JKUR 6M will be hitting the 30K mark soon so I figure the rear brakes will ready for replacement (on a side note, my last vehicle had 128K on it when I traded it with the original brakes – but I read JK brakes go quick). My thought was if I was going to replace the pads and rotors anyways I might step up to a Big Rotor Kit such as the Terraflex. I am not looking at true big brake kits as I am not sure I would be comfortable doing that work myself.


Currently, I am running the stock 255/75 BFG KM’s but when they wear out will step up to 33’s (255/80) or 34’s (287/75) but that will be another thread when that comes. This is my DD and it is for 98% paved roads and 2% forest service roads/light trails.



The brakes feel fair now, but I figure it isn’t going to get any better with heavier tires and if I can shave some feet off the stopping distance that could mean not getting into an accident in an emergency stop condition.



Is it smart to do the rear TF big rotor kit when my rears wear out and then do the front big rotor kit when the fronts wear out, or should I do them both at the same time?



Are the Terraflex rotors available anywhere other than TF if I need to replace them down the road? I mean I don’t expect them to go out of business but I plan on keeping this jeep a long time.


Any reason not to do this kit? I have read a few complaints about the Dynatrac rotors being dusty


What brake pads should I choose? I assume they are all trade offs between longevity, dust, noise, and stopping power. What is the sweet spot?


Thanks for your help

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I don't have any real answers, I'm looking at the same thing coming soon, however I can say the wear depends on your driving/etc. I guess. I'm at 45K and the rears are just getting close to worn finally (dealer said they had a couple 32's left). I do know when I started looking at stuff a few months ago I was given the impression it's ok to replace in stages like that and had planned to do it myself. I just can't give you hard answers yet since I haven't done the upgrade yet. I planned to go with the Teraflex kit myself. I think I had settle on the Hawk LTS pads for the rear and the Hawk ceramic for the front when the time comes. Interested to see what advice others can give you though.

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Just for my knowledge what was the reason you decided on LTS's for the rear but Ceramics on the front?

Also - Its good to know I may not have to change right away. I would like to think I am pretty easy on the brakes.
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Thank you for asking this question. I also am thinking about upgrading my rotors on my 2016 with 2500 miles. I have a TF leveling kit with 33" BFG K02 and the brakes feel a bit sluggish. I do not have any heavy armor or weighted mods so I also think the full BB kit would be overkill.

I am leaning towards the TF big rotor kit but has anyone had any experience or ability to compare the TF to these.

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Just for my knowledge what was the reason you decided on LTS's for the rear but Ceramics on the front?

Also - Its good to know I may not have to change right away. I would like to think I am pretty easy on the brakes.
I think it was something like they didn't make ceramics for the rear and the front is supposed to be responsible for more braking and the ceramic was better stopping and less dust or something. I don't remember offhand now it was a couple months ago at least. I'm sure I'll be looking at it all over again before buying lol.
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Also I think I was looking at the plain rotors. I.e. not slotted or drilled. Whatever I was reading had me convinced that those features are a waste on a JK/U and potentially are mud traps/etc. offroad.
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I agree, for my Jeep, I will stick with solid rotors.
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Even for most occasionally tracked sports cars drilled rotors are not necessary and slotted are preferred. For my Jeep I have the TF plain rotors. There is no advantage to slotted in this application and debris collection a major disadvantage.
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In my [road] experience, ceramics don't work well unless they're heated up. Would they heat up enough when offroading?

Though, gotta say, I like them for better modulation.
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I want to increase my knowledge of brake upgrades as my JKUR 6M will be hitting the 30K mark soon so I figure the rear brakes will ready for replacement (on a side note, my last vehicle had 128K on it when I traded it with the original brakes ? but I read JK brakes go quick). My thought was if I was going to replace the pads and rotors anyways I might step up to a Big Rotor Kit such as the Terraflex. I am not looking at true big brake kits as I am not sure I would be comfortable doing that work myself.


Currently, I am running the stock 255/75 BFG KM?s but when they wear out will step up to 33?s (255/80) or 34?s (287/75) but that will be another thread when that comes. This is my DD and it is for 98% paved roads and 2% forest service roads/light trails.



The brakes feel fair now, but I figure it isn?t going to get any better with heavier tires and if I can shave some feet off the stopping distance that could mean not getting into an accident in an emergency stop condition.



Is it smart to do the rear TF big rotor kit when my rears wear out and then do the front big rotor kit when the fronts wear out, or should I do them both at the same time?



Are the Terraflex rotors available anywhere other than TF if I need to replace them down the road? I mean I don?t expect them to go out of business but I plan on keeping this jeep a long time.


Any reason not to do this kit? I have read a few complaints about the Dynatrac rotors being dusty


What brake pads should I choose? I assume they are all trade offs between longevity, dust, noise, and stopping power. What is the sweet spot?


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1) not sure factory brakes are really due at only 30k.

2) what year JK are you diving?

3) The "true big brake kit" from teraflex only applies to the front should you choose to replace calipers. That is only one minor step difference from the front "big rotor" kit. It's fairly simple to swap the calipers and a minor bleed for those.

4) *the master cylinder upgrade is only recommended for certain earlier model years. Yes that adds some degree of difficulty, but is still generally a weekend warrior type of project.

5) yes, if you are planning some variation of a brake upgrade kit, the best time is when you are in need of a brake job. Thing is, these kits replace rotors and pads (and calipers up front) so you might as well run your factory brakes to dust.

6) I think the terraflex kist matches up with some Ram truck stock parts, not 100% sure. I figure I'll cross that road when the time comes.

7) I did both front and rear st the same time. But that's because I was prepping for 37's. Not sure if there is any reason why you can't do front or rear at separate times. I would think not. Maybe ask terraflex.

8) you will notice a substantial improvement once these brake kits are installed. I am fairly confident (just seat of the pants data) that my JKUR stops better on 37's with the kits than it did with stock tires and brakes.
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My JKU is a 2016.

I was just reading that lots of people's rear brakes need replacing at very low mileages, I guess due to ESC and Hill Start Assist (which I have turned off). I will check my brakes next time I rotate my tires.

If I could I would probably wait and make the swap when I change tires (guessing my BFG KM's have 15k left in them) but it seems like most people's rears are gone by 25k.

Glad to hear I can change out the rear rotors to larger roters and then wait until the fronts need replacing before I get larger ones for the front.

I will be honest I have never even changed a set of brake pads before- the only set of brakes I have done was a set of brakes on a Ford 8N tractor we had growing up.

I have never wanted to wrench on a vehicle before but have done all of my oil changes on my JKU (it's so easy) and watching a few YouTube videos I fell pretty confident I can do a big rotor kit but not sure how confident I would be bleeding brake lines.
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You leave the old calipers connected and out if the way while you install the new brake kit.

Then you do a quick swap of the brake line.

The bleed is simple and limited pushing fluid into the new calipers.
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If you're going to be running bigger tires and you spend anytime in commuter traffic - big brakes should be required
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did the front when I went to 37's they are a huge improvement
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OP, from what you described are your concerns, I would highly recommend the Mopar BBK upgrade for the following reasons.

1. It's a much more complete Brake upgrade kit than the TF and costs less or about the same depending on where you shop.

2. No need to worry about where to find replacement pads, rotors, etc. The parts that wear out such as pads, rotors and calipers are OEM, Dodge Ram 1500 parts that have been adapted to fit our JK's. So go to any auto parts store or vendor online and purchase the best priced OEM or equivalent Ram 1500 replacement parts you can find.

3. Replacement pads, calipers, and rotors will cost much less when it's time to replace.

I'm running the Mopar BBK with 35's and it's awesome and installed it myself and never did brakes before, aside from pad and rotor replacements. TF realized they couldn't compete with the completeness/performance of the Mopar BBK and later started offering the other components....from Mopar... such as the MC and booster for their kits, but you're still paying a lot more for less going the TF route.

Seriously, you're considering this.....(TF BBK)


compared to this.....(Mopar BBK)


And paying about the same amount of $ and then realizing later, you really did need those other components to fully benefit from the BBK upgrade. I like TF but this is a no brainer.
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From what I have read, the Mopar BBK has been out of stock for quite a few months.
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I have a loaded up 2dr JK. Bumpers, skids, winch, 37" tires, etc... The Teraflex big rotor kits front and rear made a significant difference on and off road. Brake feel is much improved, power was definitely improved, and best of all my confidence that I can trust the brakes to stop me in an emergency is much improved. I can actually lock them up and give the ABS a workout. For a really easy upgrade it was tremendously effective.
I did run EBC yellow stuff pads. They were awesome but really dusty. I ended up switching to the best pads Wagner puts out and they feel similar but without all the dust.
If you can afford the big complete brake packages then don't let me talk you out of it but if you can't you might be really surprised how well these work.
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nevermind, it's late and I wasn't reading correctly
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From what I have read, the Mopar BBK has been out of stock for quite a few months.
It was backordered 4 months when I ordered online from MOPAR. Definitely worth the wait. Be Sure.
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I just installed the Dynotrac ProGrip™ Brake System on my Jeep last month and I have to say I am truly impressed. The front rotor is 13.5 and the rear rotor is a massive 14.25 making this one of the largest if not the largest rotor kit out there. And while it is a little more expensive than the Teraflex kit it does comes with pads so in the end it is a wash.

In the end it was the rear rotor that convinced me to go with this kit. Rears do wear out much fast than the fronts. At 50K my rears where shot while I had probably 50% left in the front and I have a very heavy Jeep. It should taking take as much braking pressure on the rear when ESC, BLD etc engage to control the rear wheels and that should equate to longer pad life. I will tell you this it takes very little pedal to get this thing slowed down now as compared to the stock brakes.
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I did the Mopar BBK in front and the teraflex rear non slotted rotors rear. I am going to swap out the teraflex rear and add the dynatrac rear setup in another year or when I can't look at the cheap metal, poorly finished, rusting, ill fitting clips, teraflex rears anymore.............. I would do the mopar bbk again in a minute, really not a big deal to install and works perfectly. If you don't want to bleed brakes get the dynatrac full set as long as they fit your wheels. The 14.25 rear rotor is massive and most likely will need spacers with stock wheels. They have a template and measurements, I believe, to see if they fit.
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Another vote for the Dynatracs.
Does not require cracking open are lines-made me a happy jeeper!
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There is a template on the instructions. Will not fit all wheels. Print the template and check fitment.
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From what I have read, the Mopar BBK has been out of stock for quite a few months.
You can always buy the TF front kit and just add the Mopar Master Cylinder & Brake Booster (PN P5160050). This part is in stock from multiple sources.

Jeep Wrangler Master Cylinder & Brake Booster (Part No: P5160050)

One word of caution for those with manual transmission. There is a complication with the location of the clutch slave cylinder (it needs to be removed to install the booster) and the fact that the clutch cylinder uses the brake fluid reservoir. One needs to either modify the reservoir or add an additional reservoir for the clutch cylinder.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/mo...203849-22.html

I have not done the Mopar cylinder/booster install because I am satisfied with the OEM booster with the TF front and rear kits (running 35s). The main advantage with the bigger booster is a lighter brake pedal (less force required) and less take-up. There is no significant difference in stopping capability, which makes sense because that is related to brake pad surface area and rotor/brake heating.
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I did the Mopar BBK in front and the teraflex rear non slotted rotors rear. I am going to swap out the teraflex rear and add the dynatrac rear setup in another year or when I can't look at the cheap metal, poorly finished, rusting, ill fitting clips, teraflex rears anymore.............. I would do the mopar bbk again in a minute, really not a big deal to install and works perfectly. If you don't want to bleed brakes get the dynatrac full set as long as they fit your wheels. The 14.25 rear rotor is massive and most likely will need spacers with stock wheels. They have a template and measurements, I believe, to see if they fit.
You do need spacers or aftermarket wheels... read the fine print on Dynatrac's website.

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I've heard a couple people say the clips don't fit good on the teraflex rear. I think mine were a little loose but I just bent the tabs a little and they fit nice. I had to get a brake hardware kit though cause Jeep mangled one of my clips. It squealed constantly from day one.
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I've heard a couple people say the clips don't fit good on the teraflex rear. I think mine were a little loose but I just bent the tabs a little and they fit nice. I had to get a brake hardware kit though cause Jeep mangled one of my clips. It squealed constantly from day one.
It might just be me not liking the Teraflex products. 0-2 for me I'm done with them. How do your rotors look in the rear? Mine got all rust colored after I washed my jeep for the first time. Then I left the jeep outside for a week and it must have been mildly humid, now they look like they came off the deck of the Titanic. Same experience with their springs, their coatings suck and the clips not fitting properly were just an adder..............I try to buy only products made in the usa or at least north america, granted some stuff you can't avoid, but reputable companies do have proper oversight and quality control.
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Depending on what tire size I go I may keep my stock Rubicon wheels with no spacers (for 255/80 or 34x10.50) or go to Quadratec Hardrock wheels (for 285/75) so I would like something that I could use with stock wheels without spacers.

I assume the Mopar brackets and rotors wouldn't work with the stock brake pads since they are made for Ram 1500 pads, nor would it work well without the new master cylinder and brake booster. I have the manual and it really wouldn't want to get into the clutch too.

Does Dynaflex sell just the front kit? I wonder if the fronts (13.5) would work with the stock wheels?

The terraflex kit seems like it would work for me, but I keep hearing people that have problems with the components rusting. I guess, I could paint the caliper brackets with caliper paint. Not much I could do for the rotors.
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It might just be me not liking the Teraflex products. 0-2 for me I'm done with them. How do your rotors look in the rear? Mine got all rust colored after I washed my jeep for the first time. Then I left the jeep outside for a week and it must have been mildly humid, now they look like they came off the deck of the Titanic. Same experience with their springs, their coatings suck and the clips not fitting properly were just an adder..............I try to buy only products made in the usa or at least north america, granted some stuff you can't avoid, but reputable companies do have proper oversight and quality control.
Mine looked like they were painted silver. They still look good after one winter. When I rotated the tires I just saw a little rust where the wheel makes contact.
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Thank you for asking this question. I also am thinking about upgrading my rotors on my 2016 with 2500 miles. I have a TF leveling kit with 33" BFG K02 and the brakes feel a bit sluggish. I do not have any heavy armor or weighted mods so I also think the full BB kit would be overkill.

I am leaning towards the TF big rotor kit but has anyone had any experience or ability to compare the TF to these.

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I have to agree with you that a Big Brake Kit would be overkill for your setup. I think that a properly bled brake system along with a good set of rotors and pads will provide plenty of stopping force necessary. I ran the stock brakes on my 95 YJ with 4.88 Gears, Dana 44's, Full armor, and 35's with no problems.

The PowerStop brakes would be a solid upgrade over the OEM brakes. With the kit you get a full set of drilled and slotted rotors and a full set of ceramic brake pads. That combo alone will give you great stopping power and won't overheat the rotors when you're trying to slow down those 33's or larger tires for that matter.

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