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Old 06-23-2019, 08:04 AM
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Carbon fiber???

Carbon fiber bumpers, how tough are they.....or not. How would they compare to the stock bumpers (which are surprisingly tough).

Would they hold up to my kind of wheeling......forest service roads, old logging roads and the occasional horse trail when I get lost?

May I assume a tree would eat these things alive even at low speeds?

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I’ve never even heard of these. How much they want for this??

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Carbon fiber bumpers, how tough are they.....or not. How would they compare to the stock bumpers (which are surprisingly tough).

Would they hold up to my kind of wheeling......forest service roads, old logging roads and the occasional horse trail when I get lost?

May I assume a tree would eat these things alive even at low speeds?

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Iíve never even heard of these. How much they want for this??
900 for the front and 1500 for the rear. Iíll pay ďnearlyĒ as much for aluminum, which Iíll probably go with. Still, Iíd like to know more about the carbon fiber.

I have time. Iím not going to buy a think for ďat leastĒ 6 months.
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Well I hope someone else chimes in. That sounds absolutely outrageous lol. Guess it’s a great way to save weight if it’s strong enough to do the job. 🤔

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I’ve never even heard of these. How much they want for this??
900 for the front and 1500 for the rear. I’ll pay “nearly” as much for aluminum, which I’ll probably go with. Still, I’d like to know more about the carbon fiber.

I have time. I’m not going to buy a think for “at least” 6 months.
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Well I hope someone else chimes in. That sounds absolutely outrageous lol. Guess itís a great way to save weight if itís strong enough to do the job. 🤔
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Think of the carbon fiber part as simply a cosmetic cover. They won't hold up to the abuse or hits that a steel or aluminum bumpers can take.
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Think of the carbon fiber part as simply a cosmetic cover. They won't hold up to the abuse or hits that a steel or aluminum bumpers can take.
Or know that aircraft have a lot of carbon fiber components these days. Some wings utilize carbon fiber as the majority of the structure. Interesting use!

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Or know that aircraft have a lot of carbon fiber components these days. Some wings utilize carbon fiber as the majority of the structure. Interesting use!
Yes, but the real strength is in the design. Same with mountain bike frames in carbon fiber - light, strong, stiff. BUT, the carbon is easily damaged (that's why they put plastic protectors on the mtb frames) and once damaged the carbon fiber is very susceptible to failure.

Looking at the design of those bumpers, they are basically cosmetic. Could you stand on them? Probably. Could you drop off a rock ledge onto the corner of the rear bumper without destroying the bumper? I don't think so.
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Think of the carbon fiber part as simply a cosmetic cover. They won't hold up to the abuse or hits that a steel or aluminum bumpers can take.
I figured as much. However, how would they compare to the factory bumpers for strength? How about resilience?
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Yes, but the real strength is in the design. Same with mountain bike frames in carbon fiber - light, strong, stiff. BUT, the carbon is easily damaged (that's why they put plastic protectors on the mtb frames) and once damaged the carbon fiber is very susceptible to failure.

Looking at the design of those bumpers, they are basically cosmetic. Could you stand on them? Probably. Could you drop off a rock ledge onto the corner of the rear bumper without destroying the bumper? I don't think so.
I wouldn’t think so either. However, I’m not a rock crawler. Now trees, small and large, or the occasional lurking stump are a real possibility for me.

Any way carbon fiber could hold up to hold up to anything the factory plastic bumpers will?
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Any way carbon fiber could hold up to hold up to anything the factory plastic bumpers will?
Like someone else mentioned, it depends on how it is designed, but I would say if you were just comparing the plastic pieces on a stock bumper, to 3/16 " thick carbon fiber in the same areas, the carbon fiber would be superior.

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They will be great for looks until you scratch them up and right around that time you'll realize you could have saved yourself a lot of money.

That said, If you're looking to win some car shows and reduce the weight of your Jeep, then go for it(it MIGHT help).. If you're looking to stay safe, Go with something that will hold up during impact (time and time again).
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Like someone else mentioned, it depends on how it is designed, but I would say if you were just comparing the plastic pieces on a stock bumper, to 3/16 " thick carbon fiber in the same areas, the carbon fiber would be superior.

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Well, design wise these bumpers are pretty standard.

Now, you said the carbon fiber is stronger. Ok.

On the other hand the plastic oem bumpers are pretty darned resilient. I, once, did serious damage to my sonís car once without putting a scratch on my oem plastic bumpers.

Am I correct in assuming the carbon fiber is more brittle than the plastic oem bumpers? Am I asking a question that canít really be quantified?

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Depends on the impact... angle, velocity ect.. I would never use the word brittle for proper CF.. It's very strong. However, you've said multiple times that OEM is strong/resilient. Are you looking for good advice or someone to say. yes! spend your money?


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Depends on the impact... angle, velocity ect.. I would never use the word brittle for proper CF.. It's very strong. However, you've said multiple times that OEM is strong/resilient. Are you looking for good advice or someone to say. yes! spend your money?


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Lol, thatís funny. No. Iím too old for confirmation bias. Iíve pretty much talked myself into aluminum already. Iím in the process of learning tho and I thought cf bumpers were interesting as hell.

While I do wheel in the ozark National Forest Iím not a rock climber. This Jeep, like all my others going back over 20 years is a daily driver with fun on the weekends for good measure.

Whatís more Iím hoping for retirement here in a year or two. More time for camping, hunting, and Iíd like to learn how to fish.

What Iím hearing is these cf bumpers wonít take an impact. Ok. Iíll buy that.

I was interested in comparing them to the factory plastic jobs. In all fairness if I thought theyíd hold up as well as the plastic ones Iíd consider going cf. if not Iím probably going aluminum.

I like the handling characteristics and acceleration of this new to me 2015 I just traded for. I donít want to weigh her down with a bunch of steel I donít really need since Iím not doing this.....

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Lol, that’s funny. No. I’m too old for confirmation bias. I’ve pretty much talked myself into aluminum already. I’m in the process of learning tho and I thought cf bumpers were interesting as hell.

While I do wheel in the ozark National Forest I’m not a rock climber. This Jeep, like all my others going back over 20 years is a daily driver with fun on the weekends for good measure.

What’s more I’m hoping for retirement here in a year or two. More time for camping, hunting, and I’d like to learn how to fish.

What I’m hearing is these cf bumpers won’t take an impact. Ok. I’ll buy that.

I was interested in comparing them to the factory plastic jobs. In all fairness if I thought they’d hold up as well as the plastic ones I’d consider going cf. if not I’m probably going aluminum.

I like the handling characteristics and acceleration of this new to me 2015 I just traded for. I don’t want to weigh her down with a bunch of steel I don’t really need since I’m not doing this.....

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Does this mean you're not going to be buying any of my parts?lol


Sounds like you're making a good decision. I have the steal on my Jeep and will be keeping it for the durability factor. When its time to upgrade, I'll go with something more appropriate for climbing.

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Does this mean you're not going to be buying any of my parts?lol


Sounds like you're making a good decision. I have the steal on my Jeep and will be keeping it for the durability factor. When its time to upgrade, I'll go with something more appropriate for climbing.

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Good decision on keeping the weight off. Your engine will run cooler, more power, better braking and your cost for gas will be less. All positives!

Did you add that youtube to your post, or is it SPAM? If SPAM, I can remove it..FYI

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Good decision on keeping the weight off. Your engine will run cooler, more power, better braking and your cost for gas will be less. All positives!

Did you add that youtube to your post, or is it SPAM? If SPAM, I can remove it..FYI

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Just thought I'd leave this here. It was the first thing that came up when I googled. It's on the internet, so it must be true, right?

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Tensile..... So if you take that carbon fibre bumper and use it in the middle of a winch line, it'll work better than putting an aluminum bumper or steel bumper of the same weight in the middle of a winch line. I'd want to know about compression (pressing against a tree) or impact (hitting a rock).

I don't know how these will do in these situations but they're what's to look for in bumpers used offroad.
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Absolutely not. Iíve had good weave CF before and itíll crack like an egg.


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It will shatter when exposed to forces in the wrong direction for which it was designed. It's a superior performer in a defined application, which none of off-roading is. Maybe for an axle that has a skid plate all around it.
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That bumper (or lack there of now) is not made of carbon fiber, just an FYI.
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It will shatter when exposed to forces in the wrong direction for which it was designed. It's a superior performer in a defined application, which none of off-roading is. Maybe for an axle that has a skid plate all around it.
Also, less-than-catastrophic impacts can cause non-obvious failures in the material. I've seen lamination breakdown between the layers of CF that are only apparent when the piece is subjected to stress. At rest everything looks just fine, but under loads that the original part would normally be rigid enough to handle, it bends.

We have some pretty expensive drones with CF arms for mounting the motors. One of them was flying very strangely, even after a complete rebuild (meaning new electronics etc, same frame bits). Eventually I realized the layers had separated in a short section along the middle of the arm. Under hard acceleration the arm would bend, resulting in thrust along some random angle. (The price you pay for crashing into trees at 50 or 60 MPH...)
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Hydrodip a CF pattern on a bumper and then clear powder coat over to help protect it?
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That bumper (or lack there of now) is not made of carbon fiber, just an FYI.
Assuming you didn't research the lower right hand information on that pic.. How did you come to the conclusion that it is not an after market nose made of carbon fiber?
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Assuming you didn't research the lower right hand information on that pic.. How did you come to the conclusion that it is not an after market nose made of carbon fiber?
Probably the same way you came to the conclusion that it wasn't a stock plastic one on an otherwise stock Z06...
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Probably the same way you came to the conclusion that it wasn't a stock plastic one on an otherwise stock Z06...

I went to the page for failed carbon fiber bumpers. Google it.. You'll find plenty. Or you can search this site for hitting a dear at 70mph.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f714/h...h-2365845.html

The guy had a steel bumper, caught the dear with the extension and barely bent the thing..

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