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Old 10-21-2019, 12:44 AM
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CB / 10 meter radio

I am looking at getting a cb or a 10 meter radio with the 11 meter conversion (cb) what is your thoughts about this ?The 10 meter will cost me about $50.00 more

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I had the same idea. I wanted to get my Ham license and anticipating that, bought a 10-11-12 mtr Ham Radio. I had it peaked and tuned for maximum performance and sound quality. I put it in it's box and onto the shelf in my garage pending the acquisition of my license.... 1 year later..... What's my excuse? I don't know. Someday has not arrived yet. I WILL get it someday, but not yet.

This is NOT the Ham sets that most 4 wheel clubs use on most runs or trails though. It is one that I consider "nice to have" but not the one that most wheeler's use. Do some research BEFORE investing $500 like I did and get the most bang for your buck. I am still going to have to get the dual band radios that are used by the mainstream wheeler's. Not a problems though. It's a way of life, not just a JEEP.

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I am looking at getting a cb or a 10 meter radio with the 11 meter conversion (cb) what is your thoughts about this ?The 10 meter will cost me about $50.00 more
Great way to lose your ham ticket...
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In order to be legal to use, CB radios have to be type accepted by the FCC. They have to bear an FCC identification label. This means only 5 watts and 40 Channels. None of the CB/10M radios are FCC certified so they can't be used legally on the CB band.

These CB/10M radios can be used legally. but only on 10 meters and only by those holding a valid amateur radio license.https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-...-radio-service

Technically, these radios can't even be sold in the US. They've been banned by the FCC. Every now and then they'll drop the hammer on domestic sellers and issue citations... Here's one -> https://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldN...-260949A1.html .

Of course, it's almost impossible to police eBay and Amazon. It's basically up to the individual whether they want to obey the law or not.
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[quote=Hilldweller;34555027]Great way to lose your ham ticket...[/quoi
I see what you mean
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I had the same idea. I wanted to get my Ham license and anticipating that, bought a 10-11-12 mtr Ham Radio. I had it peaked and tuned for maximum performance and sound quality. I put it in it's box and onto the shelf in my garage pending the acquisition of my license.... 1 year later..... What's my excuse? I don't know. Someday has not arrived yet. I WILL get it someday, but not yet.

This is NOT the Ham sets that most 4 wheel clubs use on most runs or trails though. It is one that I consider "nice to have" but not the one that most wheeler's use. Do some research BEFORE investing $500 like I did and get the most bang for your buck. I am still going to have to get the dual band radios that are used by the mainstream wheeler's. Not a problems though. It's a way of life, not just a JEEP.
What radios do they use ?
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What radios do they use ?
You'll find that there are different camps.

The best for trail, ihmo, 2 meter. A Technician's ham ticket gets you in that door. Not a pricey radio.

CB, "children's band", is ubiquitous and in use everywhere. I have a quality cb in my Jeep.

440 or 70 cm band is very common and often part of a dual band ham radio. I have a handie-talkie 2m/70cm. I volunteer for my county EMA and can use this radio to talk to PD, EMS, SAR, etc. I've also trained to dispatch our EMS in the event of an emergency.

Then there are the almost-serious but almost-toy radios. Family radio and it's big brother GMRS. Family radio is very common on the trail and GMRS in the racing/hunting circuits. GMRS requires a license that's good for life.
Ham is less expensive license, has a test or three (depending on level), and needs to be renewed every 10 years.

I have a General license. Again, imho, ham is the way to go. The selection of frequencies and functions is huge.

A radio is only good if there's somebody on the other side to answer. Hence cb since they're everywhere. But, then again, there's always somebody listening to a ham repeater and will help you out in an emergency. I use my ham radio every day. I use the cb about once a month even though it's always on in the Jeep.
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I've got a CB and a HAM (Tech license) and carry both on the trail. Large groups will usually use CBs and my small group of friends uses HAMs.
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Then there are the almost-serious but almost-toy radios. Family radio and it's big brother GMRS. Family radio is very common on the trail and GMRS in the racing/hunting circuits. GMRS requires a license that's good for life.
Ham is less expensive license, has a test or three (depending on level), and needs to be renewed every 10 years.
When I purchased my GMRS license I thought it was only good for 10yrs? Did that change? I run CB, and Ham mostly in my rig while out on the trails.
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When I purchased my GMRS license I thought it was only good for 10yrs? Did that change? I run CB, and Ham mostly in my rig while out on the trails.
sorry about that; you're right.
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I'm old enough that I did have a cb license though.
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Legally you will need multiple radios to do all that.
Now what you can buy on ebay, good luck, don't expect any electronics you buy on ebay to last or even do what they say on the box.
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Then there are the almost-serious but almost-toy radios. Family radio and it's big brother GMRS. Family radio is very common on the trail and GMRS in the racing/hunting circuits. GMRS requires a license that's good for life.
Ham is less expensive license, has a test or three (depending on level), and needs to be renewed every 10 years.......
Just adding, while the amateur license, needs a renewal every 10 years, there is no cost, nor is a retest done.
Just a paperwork renewal, that can be done online.
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You'll find that there are different camps.

The best for trail, ihmo, 2 meter. A Technician's ham ticket gets you in that door. Not a pricey radio.

CB, "children's band", is ubiquitous and in use everywhere. I have a quality cb in my Jeep.

440 or 70 cm band is very common and often part of a dual band ham radio. I have a handie-talkie 2m/70cm. I volunteer for my county EMA and can use this radio to talk to PD, EMS, SAR, etc. I've also trained to dispatch our EMS in the event of an emergency.

Then there are the almost-serious but almost-toy radios. Family radio and it's big brother GMRS. Family radio is very common on the trail and GMRS in the racing/hunting circuits. GMRS requires a license that's good for life.
Ham is less expensive license, has a test or three (depending on level), and needs to be renewed every 10 years.

I have a General license. Again, imho, ham is the way to go. The selection of frequencies and functions is huge.

A radio is only good if there's somebody on the other side to answer. Hence cb since they're everywhere. But, then again, there's always somebody listening to a ham repeater and will help you out in an emergency. I use my ham radio every day. I use the cb about once a month even though it's always on in the Jeep.
x2 on everything above (except the corrected GMRS license expiration).

I use Ham with my friends who have it. It is a far superior radio in every way.

I use CB because 90%+ of the people on the trails use it. It's even a requirement for some organized trail runs.
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In Canada, CB radios (lower power then US versions) are useless they wonít even send receive line of sight. Pretty sad when your perfectly matched radio with an 8í whip canít even talk to the last guy in a convoy of 10 Jeeps. So we use GMRS (also lower watts then US version but better then CB) or VHF 2way radios.


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Our last club ride, 4 of us convoyed on Friday and one came up on Saturday morning. The four of us who convoyed together, used 2M. The last member only had CB so the trail ride itself was using CB.

For those who decide to try 10/11 radio's (not advocating that in any way) if you tune your antenna for CB, it's not going to work well for 10M, tune the antenna for 10M, it's not going to work well for CB. You just can't run both on the same antenna without a tuner. So, why spend all that extra money to do both? 10M is really useless on the trail, The radio is not certified for CB and if you hold a ham ticket, you run the risk of losing it. While you can make the mod to use it in the CB frequency, it's not legal. You probably won't get caught if the radio is tuned to 4W but do you know exactly how it's set up? IMHO, the minuses outweigh the pluses.
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Just to add.. Almost all of these 10 meter radios are hard to use on 10 meters. (which they really aren't meant for).

One big thing is that 'normal' ham radios have continuous smooth tuning. The tuning in almost all these CB/10 meter radios can only change frequency in in 5 kHz steps (to match up with the CB channels which are all divisible by 5).

So, if you hear an amateur talking on 28.403 mHz, you won't be able to tune him in with a 10M/CB radio because when you turn the tuning knob, the radio can only range from 28.400 and then 28.405.. nothing in between.
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In Canada, CB radios (lower power then US versions) are useless they wonít even send receive line of sight. Pretty sad when your perfectly matched radio with an 8í whip canít even talk to the last guy in a convoy of 10 Jeeps. So we use GMRS (also lower watts then US version but better then CB) or VHF 2way radios.


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This has been a pet peeve of mine for many years. There is no reason that a radio can't be built that contains say CB and any other band(s), 2m would be good. This radio would have to be type cert and only available to licensed operators. The idea that we need multiple radio's, multiple mic's is just antiquated.
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This has been a pet peeve of mine for many years. There is no reason that a radio can't be built that contains say CB and any other band(s), 2m would be good. This radio would have to be type cert and only available to licensed operators. The idea that we need multiple radio's, multiple mic's is just antiquated.
For a while it did help to keep out the riff-raff though.
Baofeng changed the dynamic of riff-raff...
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This has been a pet peeve of mine for many years. There is no reason that a radio can't be built that contains say CB and any other band(s), 2m would be good. This radio would have to be type cert and only available to licensed operators. The idea that we need multiple radio's, multiple mic's is just antiquated.

That takes a lot of engineering and the radio would be HUGE.
Look at any of the Home Base Station multibanders, basically an old PS2 PC.
(I may be dating myself but oh well, I'm an old bastard anyways, own it right)


This is why so many have moved to remote heads and mics with controls on them.
Yeah it kinda sucks that you can't easily setup a good Astatic mic anymore but stock mics have improved alot these days.
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It is possible for one radio to do just about everything in a very small package.. But not legally.

I have an Icom IC7000 in the Wrangler. It covers all the ham bands from 160 meters to 10 meters as well as 6 meters and 144/440 on VHF/UHF. It transmits AM/FM and SSB on all frequencies. The wide range receive, covers the CB, MURS, GMRS and FRS frequencies so I can listen to them.... But It will not transmit outside of the legal ham frequencies.

By removing a couple of teeny diodes from the circuit board, I can eliminate the transmit lockout so that it will transmit on the 11 meter CB band, as well as MURS, FRS and GMRS. But, I've never considered doing this. I currently have no use for FRS/GMRS. For CB, I use a $50 buck Uniden radio.
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By removing a couple of teeny diodes from the circuit board, I can eliminate the transmit lockout so that it will transmit on the 11 meter CB band, as well as MURS, FRS and GMRS. But, I've never considered doing this. I currently have no use for FRS/GMRS. For CB, I use a $50 buck Uniden radio.

What kind of antenna tuner do you plan to use when transmitting?
Listening just takes a piece of wire, tx is a whole different ball game.
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I have an LDG IT-100 tuner for the HF bands. https://ldgelectronics.com/index.php...esktop/it-100/ It connects to a dedicated tuner plug on the back of the IC-7000. I just have to tap the 'tune' button on the face of the radio to get it to automatically tune whatever antenna I'm using.

I use a Hustler mast with screw on resonators for each band from 80 through 10 meters which shouldn't require a tuner. But, the resonators aren't perfect, The SWR won't go much under 2:1 on some of them so I use the IT-100 to do 'fine tuning'.. With the tuner, I could easily get the 10 meter or 12 meter resonators working on 11 meters should I ever modify the radio. Or I could just purchase an 11 meter resonator. https://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-003437

For transmitting on UHF, (ham vs GMRS), different antennas would definitely be required. (The tuner only works for HF). But it's no big deal to unscrew my ham dual band antenna and screw on a dedicated GMRS antenna.

But as I mentioned in my post... I don't plan to do this
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That takes a lot of engineering and the radio would be HUGE.
Look at any of the Home Base Station multibanders, basically an old PS2 PC.
(I may be dating myself but oh well, I'm an old bastard anyways, own it right)


This is why so many have moved to remote heads and mics with controls on them.
Yeah it kinda sucks that you can't easily setup a good Astatic mic anymore but stock mics have improved alot these days.
Actually it would not need to be that big, we have come a long way in electronics. Hell my CB fits in the palm of my hand. Have multiple antenna's would still be required.

If I had my way I would bring back the licensing requirement for all radios that can transmit and you have to show your license in order to buy one. We don't need an army of FCC people to manage this, just a computer to verify the application and returns the appropriate license. CB, FRS and the like that don't require testing today would continue but you would still need a license to purchase. I would also eliminate the need to renew your license.

I would also create a new level on entry into Ham and that would be a User level. The test would consist of use of the equipment, emergency assistance, etc. This would also lead to type cert'ing all radio's that are for sale to the public but that raises the bar for entry.

Now I know you ham guys are scream no way. But lets be real, do you think that my wife is interest in digging into the guts of the radio. Do you think it is important for someone operating a radio to know Ohm's law, understand antenna theory, etc. The higher level license's still allow you to modify/fix the radios within the regulations, including CB if that is your bent, build you own radios, design you on antenna's, etc.

This would also open up some rather nice business opportunities. I could see a radio design for Jeeps, CB/2m. CB is ok for a group less than 10 but you get over that and 2m would be the better choice. Of course to buy that radio you have to have the proper license.

Anyway that is my idea and of course I figure you will all shout me down.
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Actually a lot of Ham resellers do ask to see a copy of your current license when you buy a transmitter.
And have you looked at the Tech Level questions for a Ham Ticket?
I can tell you haven't cause the questions really aren't that hard.
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Actually a lot of Ham resellers do ask to see a copy of your current license when you buy a transmitter.
And have you looked at the Tech Level questions for a Ham Ticket?
I can tell you haven't cause the questions really aren't that hard.
And there you would be totally wrong, 10 years as a radar tech and 30 years as an electrical engineer. Even the general test is not hard. And in fact the only reason I don't have a General License is because back in the day I could care less about Morse and that was part of the test.

But this is not about me, well except for the fact the FCC still has it's head up it's ass. This is about the average Joe blow who could care less about anything to do with electrical theory. I can't stand tests that look for knowledge that does not apply. Remove the electrical theory questions, change it to Operators License and be done with it.

And while some resellers may ask for a license the biggest reseller does not.
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I have an Icom 2300 for 2 meters and an Icom 706 MK II G for HF in my Jeep. I also have a General class ham radio license. Got my Tech license in 2000 or 2001 and upgraded to General a few months ago as we decided to rebuild the ham shack at my gun club that had fallen into disrepair.

I may mount the CB radio in the Jeep too just for S&G. Back in the day (70's) you needed a license for your CB and I think mine was KEK 8573.

I agree that there is much on the exam that does not apply to just picking up a mike and having a conversation but I think that it is done that way to keep trolls from getting a license. Imagine if anyone (think of some of the folks that frequent these chat sites) could get on the air and talk drivel or just argue for the sake of arguing. It's not perfect but it works OK.

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And there you would be totally wrong, 10 years as a radar tech and 30 years as an electrical engineer. Even the general test is not hard. And in fact the only reason I don't have a General License is because back in the day I could care less about Morse and that was part of the test.

But this is not about me, well except for the fact the FCC still has it's head up it's ass. This is about the average Joe blow who could care less about anything to do with electrical theory. I can't stand tests that look for knowledge that does not apply. Remove the electrical theory questions, change it to Operators License and be done with it.

And while some resellers may ask for a license the biggest reseller does not.

So with all that experience you still do not see any need to understand basic electric theory?
How do you know what antenna to choose for which band?
Are the more expensive ones really worth the money?
Why is my radio running hot?
Do I really need to ground this, meh it still works...
I'll just rubber band the mic till the radio melts
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So with all that experience you still do not see any need to understand basic electric theory?
How do you know what antenna to choose for which band?
Are the more expensive ones really worth the money?
Why is my radio running hot?
Do I really need to ground this, meh it still works...
I'll just rubber band the mic till the radio melts
Have you seen the study guides out there? They don't teach any of this stuff. I know this because I've been using them for the last couple of weeks as I get ready for my technician test.* They really only teach you to pass the test.



* Actually, I'd have taken the exam this weekend had a 20 minute trip not taken an hour because of gridlock.
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Have you seen the study guides out there? They don't teach any of this stuff. I know this because I've been using them for the last couple of weeks as I get ready for my technician test.* They really only teach you to pass the test.

* Actually, I'd have taken the exam this weekend had a 20 minute trip not taken an hour because of gridlock.

Not all the study guides are created equal, and yes you are correct which strengthens my point, the Tech class just scratches the surface to get you in.
If you plan to go any higher then there is a bit more commitment.
But it shows the difference between CB and Ham very easily.
CB is low wattage and all the same connectors, child's play.
Ham you need to know what the different connectors are for and how to use them, the differences in wattage and why its important, how to properly tune your antenna or use a auto tuner and why they are so expensive.

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