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Old 06-06-2017, 03:51 PM
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Class Action Lawsuit 2012-2017 radiator

https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-...turing-defect/

By Anne Bucher
June 2, 2017

FCA US LLC has been hit with a class action lawsuit over an alleged manufacturing defect in certain Jeep Wrangler vehicles that damages the vehicles’ radiators, oil coolers and other components, causing the heater, defroster and air conditioning systems to fail.

According to plaintiffs Donna Mooradian and William Mooradian, Chrysler manufactures engine component parts by using expendable sand molds to form metal parts from alloys, a process called the sand-casting method.

The alleged radiator defect affects model year 2012 through 2017 Jeep Wrangler vehicles, the class action says. These vehicles have a Pentastar V-6 3.6-liter engine, which is reportedly made using a die-casting method instead of a sand-casting method. However, a sand-crafting method is used to make the cylinder head located on top of the engines.

The radiator defect allegedly occurs because Chrysler fails to sufficiently purge casting sand from the cylinder head during the manufacturing process. This excess sand gradually “seeps out” and causes the Jeep Wranglers’ radiators and oil coolers to “fill with a sludge-like residue that damages and ultimately destroys these and other components,” according to the Jeep Wrangler class action lawsuit.

“Plaintiffs and the Class do not learn of the existence of the Manufacturing Defect until the heating and cooling systems fail even though the sand starts to shed from the cylinder head and collect in the radiator immediately after the vehicle is driven,” the Jeep Wrangler class action lawsuit says.

When heating and cooling systems fail, the vehicle’s safety is compromised, the plaintiffs say. For example, drivers cannot defrost their vehicles, making it unsafe to drive in certain cold-weather conditions.

The plaintiffs assert Chrysler should have known about the manufacturing defect because pre-sale testing of the vehicles would have detected the issue by 2011. Further, hundreds of consumer complaints were lodged against Chrysler over this alleged manufacturing defect, so Chrysler should have been aware of the issue by June 2012.

However, Chrysler failed to disclose the radiator defect to consumers who had purchased the affected vehicles and continued to sell vehicles that allegedly contained the defect. Further, Chrysler refuses to cover the costs of labor and repair for the manufacturing defect during the warranty period, claiming instead that the problem was caused by owner misuse or external factors, the Jeep Wrangler class action lawsuit alleges.

The plaintiffs claim they leased a new 2013 Jeep Wrangler in 2013. After a few years, they noticed the heater and defroster emitted only cool air. When they took the vehicle in to a dealer, they were told that the radiator, oil cooler and heater core would need to be replaced, and that the repair was not covered under warranty.

The Jeep Wrangler class action lawsuit brings claims against FCA US LLC for breach of express warranty, breach of implied warranties, breach of the Magnuson Moss Warranty Act, and breach of the Ohio Consumer Sales Practices Act.

The plaintiffs are represented by Jack Landskroner and Drew Legando of Landskroner Grieco Merriman LLC; Daniel K. Bryson and John Hunter Bryson of Whitfield Bryson & Mason LLP; and Gregory F. Coleman of Greg Coleman Law PC.

The Jeep Wrangler Manufacturing Defect Class Action Lawsuit is Donna Mooradian, et al. v. FCA US LLC, Case No. 1:17-cv-01132, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Ohio, Eastern Division.

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This is the group handling the lawsuit.

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Well, yet another BIG BIG potential win for some attorneys.

How much you want to bet that if these attorneys win, or get a settlement, that these attorneys will walk away with more cash, than the real victims here?
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Well, yet another BIG BIG potential win for some attorneys.

How much you want to bet that if these attorneys win, or get a settlement, that these attorneys will walk away with more cash, than the real victims here?
sure that is always the case in a class action. On the other hand without the class action most of the "real victims" wont get diddly anyway. More than anything it is just a way to penalize Fiat for putting out a faulty product. I have been party in a couple of class action suits and I always got more than I would have without being in them as I would not have spent the money to pursue them otherwise.
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I just had my radiator replaced in my 2015 JKU Rubicon. Covered under warranty but it dumped coolant all over my garage floor.
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any time Chrysler is held accountable for their shitty designs and manufacturing defects, lack of quality assurance, etc....is a win for everyone (even Chrysler, albeit it would have been easier for them to have done the right thing in the first place).

don't knock the lawyers. while no one has your best interests at heart except for you, at least the lawyers are more on your side than Chrysler ever would be. Chrysler doesn't give a shit about any of us, despite making it seem that way by creating customer service departments called "Jeep Wave". you know why that is? b/c some bean counter at Chrysler figured out it was cheaper to hire a bunch of sweet talkers in some office suites in Toronto and Dallas and call it Jeep Wave, than to fix the root causes for why Jeep owners are in constant need of repairs and "customer service" to get beyond stubborn dealership service managers who refuse to honor their own manufacturer warranty.
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I had heard of this years ago concerning the 2012 JKs, but had assumed that the problem had been fixed since then. I guess I'll have to keep an eye on this.

Since Chrysler uses the Pentastar in just about every model that they build, I would assume that this is something that might affect an awful lot of Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep owners.

I believe the Pentastar is built in two engine plants, the Trenton plant in Michigan and the Saltillo, Mexico plant. I wonder if the lawsuit applies to only vehicles built with US engines or if it also includes others. From reading the OP, it only mentions the Jeep Wrangler, but it seems that it could also include other models of Chrysler cars/trucks.

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Someone brought up a good point regarding this issue: If the Plaintiff wins this class action, what does that mean for the JK's resale value?

I picked up a JKU this year thinking it might serve as a good trade in for a second year JLU when the time comes or may just hold onto it. I guess we'll see.
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Someone brought up a good point regarding this issue: If the Plaintiff wins this class action, what does that mean for the JK's resale value?

I picked up a JKU this year thinking it might serve as a good trade in for a second year JLU when the time comes or may just hold onto it. I guess we'll see.
Probably be just like the clock spring, 15 years 150,000 miles or something. Hopefully I can just bring in my receipt.
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Mine too, and I hope it stays that way. You would have thought they'd know how to clean up sand-cast parts by now. The process isn't exactly new.

Again what I find interesting is that they had a problem with this very early on, and supposedly corrected it. Several years later, 2017 they're still having the problem? I still believe they had a lot of heads made early on, and not all of them were used at once, instead some of them were allowed to trickle into the system years later instead of being scrapped. Common, yet stupid business. That's why you'll still hear about an occasional head problem in a newer Wrangler, and heater/sand issues. I have a feeling both issues are related in some way.
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A couple of questions:

1) Would a coolant filter help? This issue happens in other makes, too, and coolant filters are often added by 7.3 and 6.0 PSD owners.

2) Might this be a contributing factor in how hot the 3.6 Wranglers run? I'd think so, if not for the stories of guys who've replaced their radiators with no improvement.

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All, casting sands/bad heads and radiators failing are 2 separate issues. Almost all the radiator failures occur on the inside of the upper drivers side part of the radiator. When it first starts to go you will smell it but you can look all you want you won't see it. I got my first drip 6 months after I started smelling it. If not for the fact that I have a lot of driving coming up I would not have replaced it yet.

Concerning how hot these engine run it is just the nature of the beast. A 205 deg thermostat coupled with a fan that does not come on until 225 deg it is going to run hot. I have a 3 row aluminum radiator now and it at highway speeds it does run right at 200-206 where with the stock radiator it was 206-212. But once in town in stop and go traffic temps climb right up there just like stock.
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I have a 2013 with 102k miles and zero issues so far, Taking her to the dealer tomorrow to do a coolant flush for the 1st time as it's due already, the coolant inside the radiator doesnt look as pink as it did before, and my heater doesn't blow hot steam like it used to... , Factory radiator and thermostat, 199-205f is normal on the fwy for me ,moving, with 220f peaks in traffic, uphills, off-road,etc,some of you know the story .., and I don't have to hide there is a tune in my Jeep anymore
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Perhaps this should be a sticky since it involves MY 2012-2017...

At least until the outcome...

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I was really wondering when this was going to happen with all the talk on the issue. I have two 13's, both show a bit of sludge at the bottom of the coolant reservoir and my daughters had the infamous cooler heat output from one side of the vent system though it didn't last long. I think for hers its just the beginning(hope not) and since it ultimately means replacing the radiator and heater core I will be flushing both JK's this summer to hopefully fend it off.
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I was really wondering when this was going to happen with all the talk on the issue. I have two 13's, both show a bit of sludge at the bottom of the coolant reservoir and my daughters had the infamous cooler heat output from one side of the vent system though it didn't last long. I think for hers its just the beginning(hope not) and since it ultimately means replacing the radiator and heater core I will be flushing both JK's this summer to hopefully fend it off.
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