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Old 06-15-2019, 09:33 AM   #31
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Those original people get some small cut, everyone else affected gets pennies, the lawyers get millions.

Reminds me, I was part of a class action lawsuit against AT&T.


The class action won. The lawyer got $7,000,000.00. I got $0.03.


What did I expect? At least the return of the $30 fee AT&T charged, that was determined to be illegal. I guess that dream of mine was too wild and unrealistic.

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Old 06-15-2019, 10:08 AM   #32
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Reminds me, I was part of a class action lawsuit against AT&T.


The class action won. The lawyer got $7,000,000.00. I got $0.03.


What did I expect? At least the return of the $30 fee AT&T charged, that was determined to be illegal. I guess that dream of mine was too wild and unrealistic.

Yep, class action lawsuits tend to only benefit the legal firm pursuing them. The only way it benefits us is that the company paying out will raise it to a higher priority in future designs. For the Wrangler that would either translate to a better solid axle design or IFS. I would have to think FCA realizes they may lose a large chunk of its customers going with an IFS, so I would hope an improved design would be their path but some of the crap that comes out of FCA doesn't increase my confidence in those regards.
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Old 06-15-2019, 10:47 AM   #33
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This lawsuit makes me wanna puke up my breakfast.

Yup, gotta be cool and have a lifted Jeep.
Go out and buy a Jeep, and get the cheapest kit you can find, go to harbor freight and buy the cheapest wrenches you can find, torque wrench, WTF is that, we don't really need it, we'll just put a 3' pipe on that big 'ole sloppy adjustable wrench we got for 12 bucks, and install a suspension kit, an important component of the vehicle, with no more mechanical experience than MAYBE putting air in a tire, screw up the job, don't ever check the torque on the track bar, or any other bolt on the vehicle for that matter, after the fact, and it's Jeeps f*ing fault, so lets sue 'em Really?

It is just totally beyond me, how the majority is incapable of taking responsibility for their actions!!!

If you maintain your vehicle properly, you just won't have these issues.

This will only insure, that an IFS Jeep is in the future, or worse yet, maybe no Jeep at all.
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This lawsuit makes me wanna puke up my breakfast.

Yup, gotta be cool and have a lifted Jeep.
Go out and buy a Jeep, and get the cheapest kit you can find, go to harbor freight and buy the cheapest wrenches you can find, torque wrench, WTF is that, we don't really need it, we'll just put a 3' pipe on that big 'ole sloppy adjustable wrench we got for 12 bucks, and install a suspension kit, an important component of the vehicle, with no more mechanical experience than MAYBE putting air in a tire, screw up the job, don't ever check the torque on the track bar, or any other bolt on the vehicle for that matter, after the fact, and it's Jeeps f*ing fault, so lets sue 'em Really?

It is just totally beyond me, how the majority is incapable of taking responsibility for their actions!!!

If you maintain your vehicle properly, you just won't have these issues.

This will only insure, that an IFS Jeep is in the future, or worse yet, maybe no Jeep at all.
Hey, my Harbor Freight wrenches and sockets have been great.
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Hey, my Harbor Freight wrenches and sockets have been great.
You shouldn't have DW then
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We have done nothing to ‘’Jack-up’’ our Jeep Unlimited and I have been describing this to my husband for quite a while!! I am pretty damn good at controlling a vehicle when things go awry, but it has actually become worse ~ which I did not know was possible, so I finally googled it describing it as though my Jeep was having a Grandma Seizure after hitting certain bumps at highway speeds. Found the forum!
Now, ours is not in the dates of this suit... but if it is due to improper bolts and fittings on the trackbar at manufacturing ~ then, there is every reason and right for the suit. I did see one thread stating this wobble was generally due to cheap parts on aftermarket jack-ups (to paraphrase); however, there are plenty more ~ way more actually ~ where such is not the case. Therefore, this assumption is too simplistic. It may be those that do this aftermarket stuff with cheap parts ALSO tend to experience this problem at a high rate, but that does not negate the very REAL problem that exists for those who have properly cared for their vehicle and not made these aftermarket changes. Such as myself! Do not judge that which you do not have enough knowledge to do so!
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We have done nothing to ‘’Jack-up’’ our Jeep Unlimited and I have been describing this to my husband for quite a while!! I am pretty damn good at controlling a vehicle when things go awry, but it has actually become worse ~ which I did not know was possible, so I finally googled it describing it as though my Jeep was having a Grandma Seizure after hitting certain bumps at highway speeds. Found the forum!
Now, ours is not in the dates of this suit... but if it is due to improper bolts and fittings on the trackbar at manufacturing ~ then, there is every reason and right for the suit. I did see one thread stating this wobble was generally due to cheap parts on aftermarket jack-ups (to paraphrase); however, there are plenty more ~ way more actually ~ where such is not the case. Therefore, this assumption is too simplistic. It may be those that do this aftermarket stuff with cheap parts ALSO tend to experience this problem at a high rate, but that does not negate the very REAL problem that exists for those who have properly cared for their vehicle and not made these aftermarket changes. Such as myself! Do not judge that which you do not have enough knowledge to do so!
Some parts are wear & tear, whether the Jeep has been modified or not. Bushings wear out, ball joints wear out, tires become out of balance. All of which can lead to Death Wobble.

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Old 10-29-2019, 10:44 AM   #38
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We have done nothing to €˜€™Jack-up€™€™ our Jeep Unlimited and I have been describing this to my husband for quite a while!! I am pretty damn good at controlling a vehicle when things go awry, but it has actually become worse ~ which I did not know was possible, so I finally googled it describing it as though my Jeep was having a Grandma Seizure after hitting certain bumps at highway speeds. Found the forum!
Now, ours is not in the dates of this suit... but if it is due to improper bolts and fittings on the trackbar at manufacturing ~ then, there is every reason and right for the suit. I did see one thread stating this wobble was generally due to cheap parts on aftermarket jack-ups (to paraphrase); however, there are plenty more ~ way more actually ~ where such is not the case. Therefore, this assumption is too simplistic. It may be those that do this aftermarket stuff with cheap parts ALSO tend to experience this problem at a high rate, but that does not negate the very REAL problem that exists for those who have properly cared for their vehicle and not made these aftermarket changes. Such as myself! Do not judge that which you do not have enough knowledge to do so!
It is not from improper tightening of bolts during manufacture. It is from the bolts being loose due to poor maintenance or work on the suspension. It can also be from wear.
Is your Jeep lifted?
The reason you see the skepticism here about the law suit is that DeathWobble is not a design or manufacturing defect. It is a known issue with solid front axle vehicles when there is any looseness or play in the front end, including the track bar, steering linkages, and ball joints. That play can result from wear or maintenance issues. It is not the manufacturers fault.

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Another question, when you experience this wobble is slowing down to a stop or near stop the only way to get it to go away?
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I've experienced death wobble in a super duty truck (2011 F250); this is not unique to Jeeps. There are various 'fixes' used by Ford to prevent/address death wobble; all of them are related to adjusting front end components. Death wobble all has to do with the solid front axle, like @GuzziMoto states.

I've stated before that the more 'soccer moms' we get driving Jeeps, the more the chances increase the next redesign will be independent front suspension to stop the complaints of death wobble.

If you experience death wobble, don't blame the manufacturer, address the cause and move on.
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I don't think this is a matter of "driving skills" unless you know of a driving skill that may be lacking that causes wobbles and / or death wobble.
I think there may be a lack of understanding as to what a wobble is and why it happens. But getting Death Wobble has nothing to do with "driving skills". Nor is Death Wobble a normal thing. DW should not happen, if it does, there is something wrong. The key is, what is wrong is not a manufacturing defect or design flaw.
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I don't think this is a matter of "driving skills" unless you know of a driving skill that may be lacking that causes wobbles and / or death wobble.
I think there may be a lack of understanding as to what a wobble is and why it happens. But getting Death Wobble has nothing to do with "driving skills". Nor is Death Wobble a normal thing. DW should not happen, if it does, there is something wrong. The key is, what is wrong is not a manufacturing defect or design flaw.
The skill applies if/when dw occurs. I've had it happen with Jeeps, an FJ40, and several 4x4 pickups. Could almost count on dw crossing RR tracks years ago. Just slow down till it quits......Haven't experienced dw with current Jeep or pickup.
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Just curious for those with more experience. I understand that wear and tear/high mileage/improperly installed suspension mods, etc. can lead to DW.
How common is it in stock non-mod/lifted jeeps?
My first experience with WD was during a job I had surveying in the late 80's. We had old suburbans to drive and my boss called it "gettin in". DW would start and someone would yell "were in!". The goal was to see who could keep it going the longest. Sometimes for miles. Entertainment during a days work.
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Just curious for those with more experience. I understand that wear and tear/high mileage/improperly installed suspension mods, etc. can lead to DW.
How common is it in stock non-mod/lifted jeeps?
My first experience with WD was during a job I had surveying in the late 80's. We had old suburbans to drive and my boss called it "gettin in". DW would start and someone would yell "were in!". The goal was to see who could keep it going the longest. Sometimes for miles. Entertainment during a days work.
If there is no play in the front end, the track bar, steering linkage, and ball joints are all tight, and the front axle has the proper amount of caster, there will be no death wobble.

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