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Old 02-11-2019, 01:03 AM
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CORE 4x4 opinions

I tried a search & 99% "of my search results were on heater cores lol. Just wondering thoughts & opinions on quality & value? Ran across some YouTube videos but they seem to be focused on the Ram truck. Best place to get online is direct? Xt & Quadarrac didnt seem to carry them. Thanks

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Allens offroad carries them. HE is @AOR on here and supports the forum. From the comments I have seen, they are well liked.
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I recently bought tier 3 control arms for my TJ Rubicon and I am very happy with them. Quality is great and they customer service was very good. They are large compared to most other control arms I've seen though, which is fine for my application. The best part was the price. I gave them a call to talk over details and then placed an order online. There is a 5% discount code. I beieve it is "HOTDAMN". It worked a couple months ago. Also I read that there is a code for free grade 8 hardware. "FREEHRDWR"


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I’m using the front lowers on my jk. Really impressed with them. I’ve probably installed every manufacturer of CAs and Core 4x4 is on par or better than all high end companies at a Rough Country price point. Solid arms you can’t go wrong
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I bought them on their site. There is a Facebook code for additional savings. I don’t remember what the code was I think they were about 209 shipped
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I've got front upper and lower tier 3s. Had the lowers for about 2 years and couldn't be happier with them.


When I do my rears, I'll be using them as well.
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Great arms at a great price! Excellent warranty too.

Allen's Offroad is where I suggest you source them.

https://www.allensoffroad.com/suspen...4-Control-Arms

Their new Tier 4 stuff is on par with the best for a high articulation build. Especially good for the TJ crowd. Our JK's will max out with the Tier 3 stuff in most cases.
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Allens offroad carries them. HE is @AOR on here and supports the forum. From the comments I have seen, they are well liked.
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I recently bought tier 3 control arms for my TJ Rubicon and I am very happy with them. Quality is great and they customer service was very good. They are large compared to most other control arms I've seen though, which is fine for my application. The best part was the price. I gave them a call to talk over details and then placed an order online. There is a 5% discount code. I beieve it is "HOTDAMN". It worked a couple months ago. Also I read that there is a code for free grade 8 hardware. "FREEHRDWR"


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Great arms at a great price! Excellent warranty too.

Allen's Offroad is where I suggest you source them.

https://www.allensoffroad.com/suspen...4-Control-Arms

Their new Tier 4 stuff is on par with the best for a high articulation build. Especially good for the TJ crowd. Our JK's will max out with the Tier 3 stuff in most cases.
Thank you Sir. Agreed, most SA control arms sets will max out on articulation with Tier 3. Good call.

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Thank you for the comments exactly what I was hoping to hear.
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I keep going back and forth between these and Metalcloaks. Looks like Core is $150 cheaper for a set of 8 CAs..

Does anyone know if the joints are centered on the Cores like OEM (and MC) ?
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I keep going back and forth between these and Metalcloaks. Looks like Core is $150 cheaper for a set of 8 CAs..

Does anyone know if the joints are centered on the Cores like OEM (and MC) ?
Joints are centered? They are centered in relation to the arm. They are not going to be something weird or funky, if that is what you are asking. Are you asking if the joints themselves are "Self Centering?" No, they are not. Tier Two uses Currie Flex Joints and Tier Three uses Currie forged Johnny Joints. The Tier Two Flex Joint is a Johnny Joint just made for builders. You get a barrel, center ball, and appropriate rebuild parts to make your own JJ on the end of your arms. So if you were building your own customer suspension, you could weld this type of joint on your own arms.

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Joints are centered? They are centered in relation to the arm. They are not going to be something weird or funky, if that is what you are asking. Are you asking if the joints themselves are "Self Centering?" Tier Two uses Currie Flex Joints and Tier Three uses Currie forged Johnny Joints.

Which Tier are you looking at? BTW, use coupon code "FREEHRDWR" for free harware on a set of eight for Tier Two or Three. Click here to see online.

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Sorry, I was specifically looking at the T3 cores vs the Metalcloak Duroflex CAs. With the "Joint Alignment" this is what I was referring to..

https://imgur.com/a/BMMcFu0


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Sorry, I was specifically looking at the T3 cores vs the Metalcloak Duroflex CAs. With the "Joint Alignment" this is what I was referring to..

https://imgur.com/a/BMMcFu0


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I have sent an email to Spence and will post up with the answer. They look damn close according to the images. Standby. Well, don't be holding your breath or anything.
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I have been thinking about buying their LCA's for my JL when I lift this spring. What are the recommendations between getting the Tier 2 or Tier 3? Thanks
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What size lift? How do you plan on using it offroad (types of trails or terrain)? You can always start with Tier Two and upgrade later if you need too.
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Thanks Probably 2.5"-3" lift. Off road primarily woods/two tracks/mountain trails.
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I find the difference in cost small enough to recommend the Tier 3. But you have to make that call... It's easy for me to spend your money.
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I find the difference in cost small enough to recommend the Tier 3. But you have to make that call... It's easy for me to spend your money.
I like it. I can spend your money quite easily as well. If you don't plan to be extreme crawling and beating up on the suspension, which it sounds like you don't, the Tier 3 with forged joints are unneccessary. If you just like to build the max strength into it the first time, go with T3. Either way it is a quality product with a fantastic warranty.

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Sorry, I was specifically looking at the T3 cores vs the Metalcloak Duroflex CAs. With the "Joint Alignment" this is what I was referring to..

https://imgur.com/a/BMMcFu0


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The front lowers are centered front to rear through the center axis of the arm. The rear uppers are not. However, due to the Currie joint of the T3 arms, you only lose about 5 degrees of flex out of the 35 degrees the joint provides on the rear uppers. Which will still out flex most coil sprung suspensinos you could install on your rig. The rear lowers are straight.

The MC arms must be designed that way due to the type of fused joint that it is. Otherwise it would prematurely wear the joints. Which would not be good from business.

Let me know if I can help you further.

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I like it. I can spend your money quite easily as well. If you don't plan to be extreme crawling and beating up on the suspension, which it sounds like you don't, the Tier 3 with forged joints is unneccessary. If you just like to build the max strength into it the first time, go with T3. Either way it is a quality product with a fantastic warranty.

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It looks like 1 main difference for me is Tier 2 has a rubber bushing on one end and Tier 3 has a poly bushing. What would be the plus/minus of the bushings?
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It looks like 1 main difference for me is Tier 2 has a rubber bushing on one end and Tier 3 has a poly bushing. What would be the plus/minus of the bushings?
The plus is longevity of the bushings for poly. The minus is they transfer more road impact to the frame. Everyone's ass-o-meter is different. Some will not take the chance on poly. Doesn't sound like you are going to need the additional benefits poly provides, or the drawbacks.
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It looks like 1 main difference for me is Tier 2 has a rubber bushing on one end and Tier 3 has a poly bushing. What would be the plus/minus of the bushings?
Yes, good point. The rubber joint is most "stock" like, the adjustable end is still a high misalignment Johnny Joint.

Rubber joints have a little higher NVH suppression than poly. Their flex poly is designed to have a little higher misalignment capability.
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I have the CORE 4X4 adjustable front LCA's and CORE 4X4 adjustable front track bar, all from Allens Off Road. No issues after 4000 miles.


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So real world, what difference between these & MC will the 5* make?
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I'm running their tier 4 front LCA and front and rear track bars. Overkill for now, but future proofing the jeep. heh.
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Sorry, I was specifically looking at the T3 cores vs the Metalcloak Duroflex CAs. With the "Joint Alignment" this is what I was referring to..

https://imgur.com/a/BMMcFu0


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The Metalcloak Duroflex joint is a steel sleeve that is suspended in a rubber bushing. If they didnít align the joint as they do it would preload the rubber joint and cause premature wear. Sort of like tightening a stock rubber bushing with the suspension at full droop then setting it down. It would twist up the rubber and preload the joint causing premature failure. So they align the joint to the control arm bracket. The Metalcloak arms work very well and flex as good as any on the market. I have installed many sets with the Gamechanger lifts and they work well.

I have been running the Tier 3 Core 4X4 arms for 2 years or more. I purchased them from @AOR here. They have been awesome. There is no way you will break these. They are excellent quality and I easily use all the flex that my Falcon 3.3s provide. I would buy them again in a second. Iíve put 30,000 miles on them and they are still tight. I keep them greased with silicone Super Lube.

As far as joint alignment it is not necessary for them to align the joints like the Duroflex joints do. The Currie Johnny Joint is basically a ball of medal that is supported by two poly bushings. It isnít attached so it rotates freely not requiring a specific alignment. The poly joint end is aligned to the control arm bracket so no issues there.

Between the 2 control arms I think that the Core are more durable and likely to take a hammering. If you held the 2 brands in your hand you would understand. The Metalcloak absorb a little more impact like a factory control arm bushing does which provides a quieter on road ride. A little less feel to impacts. I love my Core arms but you canít go wrong with either arm.
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Sorry, I was specifically looking at the T3 cores vs the Metalcloak Duroflex CAs. With the "Joint Alignment" this is what I was referring to..

https://imgur.com/a/BMMcFu0


Referenced from: https://metalcloak.com/jeep-jk-wrang...-full-set.html
Here is a picture showing the joint alignment.. Zoom in and you can get a pretty good look. The alignment is really not an issue.



By the way.. The arms are cleaned up but also 2 years old in this picture. Their powdercoating is phenomenal. The undersides of the lower arms is beat up (no damage) but that is to be expected.
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As far as joint alignment it is not necessary for them to align the joints like the Duroflex joints do. The Currie Johnny Joint is basically a ball of medal that is supported by two poly bushings. It isnít attached so it rotates freely not requiring a specific alignment. The poly joint end is aligned to the control arm bracket so no issues there.
This makes perfect sense, thanks.. I couldn't figure why so many would design their arms that way + I didn't quite buy "just because its cheaper". Didn't even think about the CJ joint.
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