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Old 11-10-2017, 10:44 PM   #361
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Hereís what my old pads looked like:





A little thin...


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@xj-boonie you should contact Adam at crown regarding the brake lines.

This is mine with the RK brake lines at full lock.

I just noticed one side of my brake line to caliper is faced down while the other is faced up.

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No. The lines kept hitting the mount at full lock. But thatís because both the stock and crown lines use a square block and due to clearances need to go up and out or down and out (90 deg bend in hard line portion). If it could have gone out and up, would have been great. But only way that was happening was if I ground the outside edge of the block or if I ground a bigger flat spot on the caliper.

The red arrow shows the interference if the block was rotated up 90 degrees as shown by the blue line. Didnít feel like grinding. Either will or get lines that have a round block.




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I haven't played with my brakes yet, but are you able to switch the driver's and passenger's side lines? Then the 90 degree bend should be in your favor?
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I haven't played with my brakes yet, but are you able to switch the driver's and passenger's side lines? Then the 90 degree bend should be in your favor?


Iíd really like it as shown in the blue in this:



But in the photo below, the red edge of the line block interferes with the blue edge of the caliper.




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I just got an email from Adam @ Crown Automotive.

Regarding their upgraded master cylinder...

"Our oversized brake master cylinder (68091278AB) has a 1-1/16" Bore

We'll be releasing a severe duty master cylinder and brake booster kit similar to what Mopar offers in the next 120 days. We're hoping to allow it to work on JK's with manual transmissions without the use of a remote clutch fluid reservoir."

So they are planning to do the 1-1/8" bore on the master cylinder w/ an upgraded brake booster. No price as of yet but if you decide to go crown with their new BB/MC, its still cheaper than the mopar, plus you get awesome customer service.


Iíll be waiting. The main reason I was holding off was due to the extra modification for my manual.


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Received a response from Adam at Crown regarding the rotor issue from xj-boonie as well as his valve.

We just had a meeting with the warehouse manager, quality control department, the packaging manager, and the shipping department to iron out any problems the packing of this kit may have. We're now going to offer our RT Off-Road Big Brake Kit (RT31046) in 3 boxes instead of 2. We're also going to re-organize the boxes and add more bubble to the boxes so nothing has the opportunity to move around.

I can send replacement bleeder valves to you ASAP. Also, we'd like to send you our oversized brake master cylinder. It bolts in place of your OE master cylinder and has a larger bore to accommodate the big brake kit. It is dimensionally identical to the OE JK master cylinder so anything that fits with the OE hydraulic system will work with the oversized master cylinder.

I noticed your brake rotors have a little damage to them. That damage won't affect the braking performance. The kit offers a 12 month warranty so if you run into any problems along the road you can get replacement rotors.

Give me your shipping address and I'll get everything out to you ASAP. If you give me your address before 3:30 eastern time I'll get it out today!

Let me know if you have any questions.


Well, I received mine today. I was too early for the better (appropriate) packaging. Mine arrived in two white boxes. The top box has a significant gouge in it. I havenít investigated to see how everything held up. Iíll snap some photos later. Itís nap time (anyone with two toddlers understands)!


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No. The lines kept hitting the mount at full lock. But thatís because both the stock and crown lines use a square block and due to clearances need to go up and out or down and out (90 deg bend in hard line portion). If it could have gone out and up, would have been great. But only way that was happening was if I ground the outside edge of the block or if I ground a bigger flat spot on the caliper.

The red arrow shows the interference if the block was rotated up 90 degrees as shown by the blue line. Didnít feel like grinding. Either will or get lines that have a round block.




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Thanks - I see what you mean now. I've got the same relocation brackets. Wonder if anyone has tried the Metal Cloak brake lines with this kit and if they could be turned 90 degrees.
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@xj-boonie you should contact Adam at crown regarding the brake lines.

This is mine with the RK brake lines at full lock.

I just noticed one side of my brake line to caliper is faced down while the other is faced up.

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Not sure. your gonna have to contact Adam directly from Crown. Give your issues and they can fix for future customers. It sucks but were the early adopters. Their customer service is top notch though so we will be taken care of. When the teraflex tire carrier came out, an early adopter posted an issue of their welds cracking. Teraflex updated their tire carrier with several revisions since then.
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So I am going to be replacing my leaky booster in the near future. I went ahead and ordered the Mopar big brake booster and master along with a wildwood res. Currently I am on factory calipers. Will there be harm in running the big booster and master on stock calipers for a little bit until I get time to do the calipers and rotors?
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Not sure. your gonna have to contact Adam directly from Crown. Give your issues and they can fix for future customers. It sucks but were the early adopters. Their customer service is top notch though so we will be taken care of. When the teraflex tire carrier came out, an early adopter posted an issue of their welds cracking. Teraflex updated their tire carrier with several revisions since then.
Looks like they are not - based on the contact me addresses. Since I got the lines from Northridge4x4, I'll be contacting them. I'll also give feedback to Adam - if they grind the flat on the back of the caliper just a bit bigger, it will allow the crown/metalcloak/factory brake lines to go out and up with the 90 degree bend and avoid any interference with the shock.

Teraflex makes some brake lines with round blocks for the bango bolt - I might just get those... or I might get the grinder out...
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Thanks - I see what you mean now. I've got the same relocation brackets. Wonder if anyone has tried the Metal Cloak brake lines with this kit and if they could be turned 90 degrees.
I have the metal cloak red lines that came with my 2.5" lift, and they are not longer than the sock lines on my 2012. They also can't be bolted up to go out and up (blue line) so they interfere with the shock...

I might tape up the hole and put them in a vice and grind off a millimeter and see if they fit...
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Have you checked those brake lines for binding/shear possibility at full extension (droop)? You'd probably be better off if you angled the "L" upward so they won't have that right angle bend between the banjo & flex line when extended.

FWIW, the Mopar BBK comes with flex lines nearly same as stock, but that bend around the caliper and point towards the axle. Bracket mounts same as stock. Not sure how long they are, but the stock lines are actually longer than most aftermarket lines.
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Have you checked those brake lines for binding/shear possibility at full extension (droop)? You'd probably be better off if you angled the "L" upward so they won't have that right angle bend between the banjo & flex line when extended.



FWIW, the Mopar BBK comes with flex lines nearly same as stock, but that bend around the caliper and point towards the axle. Bracket mounts same as stock. Not sure how long they are, but the stock lines are actually longer than most aftermarket lines.


I havenít yet. Yes I would like the lines to go as shown in this pic (at work so had to use paint...)



But they won't mount that way without grinding.


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These are different companies.

Crown Automotive (In Mass) makes this kit that is being discussed:
https://www.crownautomotive.net

Crown Performance (In California) makes brake lines:
Crown Performance: Stainless Steel Brake Lines - Braided Hoses for Cars, Trucks & SUV

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So the MOPAR BBK is supposed to go on tomorrow. Are we going to experience these same issues or are they Crown vs. Crown issues?
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So the MOPAR BBK is supposed to go on tomorrow. Are we going to experience these same issues or are they Crown vs. Crown issues?

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Measure the spread between the master cylinder to booster mounting holes.

Does the new one appear to be the same size as the stock? ( mounting wise)

I have an adapter for my flat tow braking system that mounts in between the mc and the B.B.

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Iíd really like it as shown in the blue in this:



But in the photo below, the red edge of the line block interferes with the blue edge of the caliper.
Here is how the brake lines that come with the Mopar kit bend and mount. They mount in the center and bend down around the caliper.



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Here is how the brake lines that come with the Mopar kit bend and mount. They mount in the center and bend down around the caliper.



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That looks like it would miss any interference with the shocks. Wonder if they are available separately? Also, I wouldn't mount them to the spring pad - they just limits drop.

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Right: 68184808AC

They look to be about $40 (give or take) each online.

Rednroll - were they longer than the stock lines? did you measure them?
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Here is a comparison of the Mopar BBK and Crown BBK (Mopar kit photo from m998dna thread):

Crown kit on my Jeep:


Mopar kit on m998dnaís Jeep:




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That looks like it would miss any interference with the shocks. Wonder if they are available separately? Also, I wouldn't mount them to the spring pad - they just limits drop.



Edit: found the lines part numbers:

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Right: 68184808AC



They look to be about $40 (give or take) each online.



Rednroll - were they longer than the stock lines? did you measure them?

Found this pic on another thread about the Mopar BBK. And it shows the MC lower shock relocation bracket.





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That looks like it would miss any interference with the shocks. Wonder if they are available separately? Also, I wouldn't mount them to the spring pad - they just limits drop.

Edit: found the lines part numbers:
Left: 68184809AC
Right: 68184808AC

They look to be about $40 (give or take) each online.

Rednroll - were they longer than the stock lines? did you measure them?
Hi All,

We manufactured the brake hoses that Mopar offers in their BBK (68184808AC and 68184809AC) but made the decision not to include them in our BBK.

1. The brake hoses are the same length as the OE 11/17 JK Hoses so it will either limit droop or your brakes will be very sad in short order.

2. Most people that will purchase the BBK have oversized tires (and a lift kit). Most lifted JK's have aftermarket stainless steel brake lines. When we installed our BBK on our 2015 JK we used the Crown Performance (different company like Quadratec stated prior) brake lines that were included in the lift kit we used and didn't run into any fitment issues. See the image below for the orientation of our brake hoses.

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Hi All,

We manufactured the brake hoses that Mopar offers in their BBK (68184808AC and 68184809AC) but made the decision not to include them in our BBK.

1. The brake hoses are the same length as the OE 11/17 JK Hoses so it will either limit droop or your brakes will be very sad in short order.

2. Most people that will purchase the BBK have oversized tires (and a lift kit). Most lifted JK's have aftermarket stainless steel brake lines. When we installed our BBK on our 2015 JK we used the Crown Performance (different company like Quadratec stated prior) brake lines that were included in the lift kit we used and didn't run into any fitment issues. See the image below for the orientation of our brake hoses.

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I'd like to hear of anyone that's had an issue with our BBK. Please e-mail me at [email protected]

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What do you mean "very sad in short order"?
I'm installing the MOPAR BBK on a stock Rubicon Recon with 35" (really 34") tires and no added lift other than 1" front spring spacers to deal with winch weight.
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What do you mean "very sad in short order"?
I'm installing the MOPAR BBK on a stock Rubicon Recon with 35" (really 34") tires and no added lift other than 1" front spring spacers to deal with winch weight.
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Too much suspension droop with stock brake lines will cause them to stretch out and fail. A 1" lift shouldn't result in enough suspension travel to cause your stock brake lines to stretch but should be checked after installation.
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@Crown Automotive ... no issues with mine. Only slight packaging issues caused a chip/scratch on one rotor (you guys addressed the packaging already for future buyers). Other than that, i'm very happy with the product.
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That looks like it would miss any interference with the shocks. Wonder if they are available separately? Also, I wouldn't mount them to the spring pad - they just limits drop.

Edit: found the lines part numbers:
Left: 68184809AC
Right: 68184808AC

They look to be about $40 (give or take) each online.

Rednroll - were they longer than the stock lines? did you measure them?
They were longer than the stock lines on my 2009. I believe it was 2011 or 12s, where they added the bracket to the lines and moved the mount infront of the front shocks. On my 09 they were originally routed behind the shock. So the Mopar kit lines were obviously longer just due to the routing/mounting change.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:09 PM   #388
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What do you mean "very sad in short order"?
I'm installing the MOPAR BBK on a stock Rubicon Recon with 35" (really 34") tires and no added lift other than 1" front spring spacers to deal with winch weight.
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I also have the Mopar 2in lift. The lift comes with front brakeline relocation brackets that raise that hose bracket mount up. Those relo brackets are intended to prevent the over extension scenario and can be purchased separately. I can post the mopar P/Ns if needed. They cost like $17 each for the Mopar brake line relo brackets.
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Hi All,

We manufactured the brake hoses that Mopar offers in their BBK (68184808AC and 68184809AC) but made the decision not to include them in our BBK.

1. The brake hoses are the same length as the OE 11/17 JK Hoses so it will either limit droop or your brakes will be very sad in short order.

2. Most people that will purchase the BBK have oversized tires (and a lift kit). Most lifted JK's have aftermarket stainless steel brake lines. When we installed our BBK on our 2015 JK we used the Crown Performance (different company like Quadratec stated prior) brake lines that were included in the lift kit we used and didn't run into any fitment issues. See the image below for the orientation of our brake hoses.

Attachment 3822321

I'd like to hear of anyone that's had an issue with our BBK. Please e-mail me at [email protected]

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Adam, do you have a Crown performance part number for those lines you're showing in the photo?
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Chiming in again to mention that I used Crown Performance lines along with my Teraflex BBK kit's calipers. I oriente the banjo "L" pointing up, and ran the lines in an "S" configuration. At the hard line I used a combination aftermarket frame bracket, along with the ABS line clip from a set of late JK stock lines. I zip tied the ABS lines to the flex hoses. Has worked fine so far, 20k+ miles & lots of trail use.

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