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Crown Automotive Big Brake Kit RT31046

I've been back and forth the past couple weeks in choosing my BBK setup. I was looking for something with a bigger upgraded caliper, and bigger rotors. I was planning to piece me a Mopar BBK, or get Teraflex or Black Magic, however I came across Crown Automotive last pm.

I confirmed with Quadratec that they use Ram calipers so I can upgrade my brake pads to preference. Their rotors are 13" so it might be slightly smaller than some competitors at 13.25. I'll measure once received.

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Jeep Wrangler (JK) (2007-2017) w/ RT31046 Brake Upgrade Kit.
Jeep Wrangler (JK) (2008-2017) export model.

Ram 1500 (DS) (2009-2017)
Ram 1500 (DR) (2006-2008) w/out SRT package.

Dodge Durango (HB) (2007-2009)
Dodge Dakota (ND) (2005-2011)
Dodge Raider (NM) (2006-2010)

Chrysler Aspen (HG) (2007-2009)

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Last, I was basically piecing out kits. 100 each for BBK bracket (x2), Calipers (125x2). That's over 450 already not including brake pads and rotors. I got this kit for $435.50. No Brainer.

I will also order the rear teraflex kit at a later date as well as the Mopar Master Cylinder and Booster.

I'll give you my biased thoughts once received/installed.

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Also, QT sells this kit for $541 and they could price match for those who are interested. I got them to match the price from CSEOffroad.

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Yup, apparently Ram 1500 calipers. Once you get your mc and boost you're going to wonder why you waited so long. It was the single best upgrade I did as far as safety is concerned. From what I understand the quality of Chinese rotors varies, and not all rotors come from China. Blaine said he sells both Chinese and I think Taiwan or S Korea ? I told him I didn't want Chinese. He said not all Chinese rotors are the same. Evidently there are a few different factories. The point is that he said he has the best Chinese rotors and he inspects each one ( I believe him ) so it didn't matter what I got. As luck would have it they weren't from China.

I think Dynatrac's rear rotors are 14" or slightly larger. They're massive but expensive. Wonder what size Tera us using ? There is a huge difference between 13" and 14"
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@Old 0311 the Mopar Master Cylinder/Brake Booster, and Teraflex rear Big Rotor upgrade is still up in the air. Pending install of this kit and make my determination of the upgrades from there.
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Trust me you want Mopar's MC/Boost. You don't need the rear rotor kit ( it would give you more balanced braking ) but you'll be missing the real advantage of your BBK if you don't add the MC/boost. If money is an issue ( it's an issue with everyone : ) plan on getting it as soon as possible. I waited two or three years only because Mopars kit wasn't available ( that I knew of ) when I finally got the MC/boost installed there was a huge improvement in modulation/pedal pressure/braking power. It's a no brainer trust me. Just make sure you bleed the brakes well. Someone can install the whole nine yards and still have sub par braking. A good bleed job with all fresh Dot 3 and you'll be a happy camper

Dynatracs rear kit is only about $100 more than TF. It's worth spending the extra money imo.
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thanks @Old 0311 . I appreciate your input. Money is always an issue when it comes to mods. lol. I'm gonna check out our vendors for the Mopar MC/booster.
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@Old 0311 I just ordered the Mopar upgraded master cylinder/brake booster from Northridge4x4. It came out to $155 shipped using my coupon.

I just received word from FedEx that the BBK is going to be received by this Thursday so i'm planning a weekend install.
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That's a really great price. You'll see how much bigger the MC/boost is compared to stock. It's a tight fit with both but not too bad. Just take your time. You have a 6 speed right ? You're going to need one of these too....
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/w...1098/overview/

It's a Wilwood MC remote reservoir kit. It's not hard to figure out how to hook it up. I could take a few pics of mine if needed. You're going to have some awesome brakes soon
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@Old 0311 thank you sir. I just ordered it.

I checked mopar first and they are crazy priced (over 130). I ordered the Wilwood from amazon.
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Last, do I connect the wilwood straight to the master cylinder? I've done brakes, clutches, head gaskets, engine swaps, turbo kits, but I've never replaced the master cylinder/brake booster.
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The wilwood does not go to the MC. It's for your clutch. There's a line ( tube ) coming off your stock MC reservoir ( lower right ) that goes to your clutch slave cylinder. The new MC doesn't have a port to hook the clutch line in. That's why you need the wilwood.

You need to couple the end of the line that went into your old MC to one end of the tube on the wilwood. I bought a brass fitting at Home Depot. You'll need two small clamps. It's really easy once you have everything there. Then figure out how to secure the reservoir. I used two sheet metal screws. Then fill it with Dot 3.

Make sure everything is done correctly before filling the reservoir. If you get in a jam ( I doubt it ) you could always post. I'll try to help. One thing for sure....you're going to have some awesome brakes.....better be looking in the mirror if you have to stop suddenly....because someone could rear end you....
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Thanks again old 0311. Very descriptive explanation. I can't wait to install.
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You're welcome. One last thought. You're probably going to have a lot of nose dive when braking hard.....especially if you don't have any geo correction brackets and have stock springs/shocks. Even with them your front end will want to dive somewhat. Of course a lot depends on springs/lift/shocks etc .....

Getting the rear rotor kit will effectively eliminate nose dive ( or greatly reduce it if your suspension is mostly stock ) Braking is a lot more controlled with my Dynatrac rear kit. Stopping is a lot flatter....no nose dive even under extreme braking. My Geo brackets really help with that too.
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It should be received today so i'll take measurements of the rotors and perhaps paint the calipers prior to weekends install. I can't wait.
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I'm watching closely as to how this works out. If it does I plan to down the same path.
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Keep us posted @dawhitesJKU

I'm thinking of upgrading my brakes as well. Is there any advantage of the Mopar big brake kit?
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@DRBReno i'll give you my thoughts once installed. BTW, its being shipped directly fron Crown at Sparks, NV

Calipers
Teraflex states 56mm (but I read that they use the same ram 1500 caliper)
Crown and Mopar use the same (ram 1500) so it should be 54mm

Rotors
Teraflex states 13.25
Mopar states 13 but actually 13.25
Crown states 13 ... i'll confirm actual size tonight if I get it.

All are very close to each other in terms of #'s except for price.
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So really, both Mopar and Crown are using the same parts...

Now I'm curious if we were to just buy OEM Ram 1500 parts if it would be cheaper...
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@Feereless hey bud. The mopar kit is very similar since its using the same calipers for the ram. The mopar does come with the upgraded brake booster/upgraded master cylinder. it is on national backorder (mopar).

Price wise ... the Crown is 435.50 from QT using price match, and the brake booster/master cylinder is 230 from N4x4. I also had to factor in the reservoir from wildwood since I have a manual transmission ($29). That leaves me at 694.50. It's actually 619.50 since I have a 75 gift card from n4x4. Last, I forgot to tell my rep about the WF discount so I could've gotten the brake booster/MC a bit cheaper from N4x4.

Mopars price varies from 800-899 but i'm sure you could use the dealer's accessory discount, however it is on national backorder when I called earlier this week.
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So really, both Mopar and Crown are using the same parts...

Now I'm curious if we were to just buy OEM Ram 1500 parts if it would be cheaper...
Especially if you ordered them from Rock Auto
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@Feereless yes I tried to piece out a mopar JK kit. So far Crown Auto is the most affordable.

Using Rock Auto, The caliper bracket (68034720AA) is 144.79. Your going to need 2.
that's 289.58. The calipers from rock auto were about 115 (without core)... your also going to need 2.

That's about 520. Your still going to need rotors and pads.

Here's the part list if you want to piece out a mopar bbk.
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@dawhitesJKU you're the man dude. Still seems like Crown's is the best deal!

Thanks for the info!
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I received the Mopar Brake Booster and Master Cylinder today. While waiting for the BBK to arrive I just received a notice stating ďcustomer unavailableĒ. Iíve been at home for a while and I received the other parts from the SAME shipping company. Another reason why Quadratec is my secondary choice is because they mostly ship Fedex. I just donít trust Fedex shipping to my location because this happens 90% of the time. Looks like Iíll post pictures tomorrow since I arranged a pickup at the fedex location.
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Should I paint the calipers once received? Right now I think it will defeat the purpose since you will barely see it due to the wheels design and rock rings.
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You want to bench bleed the master before putting it in. The brake lines won't match up now ( at least one won't ) so you'll have to carefully bend them.

The lines must go in straight or the MC threads or ends will get wrecked. Don't cross thread, start them with your fingers (!) Use a real line wrench. If you don't have one buy it.

You're going to have to tighten the line nuts tighter than you think because apparently the flared ends aren't an exact match to the new MC. They were meant to match the original MC.

If you have a leak tighten till it stops. That's where the line wrench really comes in. You'll round the fittings if you use an open end wrench. Then you'll have to go to a dealership and buy new lines......and they'll have to order them. Don't ask me how I know
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@Old 0311 do you know what size line wrench I need? I donít have one so Iíll be purchasing during my lunch break today.
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@Feereless yes I tried to piece out a mopar JK kit. So far Crown Auto is the most affordable.

Using Rock Auto, The caliper bracket (68034720AA) is 144.79. Your going to need 2.
that's 289.58. The calipers from rock auto were about 115 (without core)... your also going to need 2.

That's about 520. Your still going to need rotors and pads.

Here's the part list if you want to piece out a mopar bbk.
Nice!!! That sounds like another good path to get the Mopar BBK at a similar price. When I originally researched the Mopar BBK, I determined the front rotors were made by Crown. So essentially, it looks like you were able to piece together the Mopar BBK minus a few of the little pieces that are included.

I wonder what's going on with the Mopar BBK? I put mine on a couple years ago and had no problem ordering it then.
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Should I paint the calipers once received? Right now I think it will defeat the purpose since you will barely see it due to the wheels design and rock rings.
I painted mine with VHT Silver color rattle cans which is suppose to be good, and it has since flaked off. So I guess my advise would be, that if you do paint them, make sure you rough up the surface of the calipers since that is something I didn't do and maybe you will have better luck.
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