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Old 04-12-2017, 01:55 PM   #91
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Dealer didn't bolt my wheel on - wheel flew off and hit another car after 50yds.

Reminds me of the time my wife took our 4Runner with 70,000 miles to the dealer for an oil change. She drove off and a mile or so down the road the dash lit up and the 4R died. They forgot to put oil in it. Towed it back to the dealer, filled it up with oil and said it's purring like a kitten, claiming no harm done.

After a week of driving, including pulling my boat a couple hundred miles, we drained the oil in front of the service manager and his head mechanic, at my local mechanics shop. Of course there were metal shavings and they turned it in to their insurance. At that point it was up to the adjuster what would be done. They ended up replacing the short block because the bearings froze and turned in the block. They sent the heads to another shop to be checked out. It's been running fine ever since, over 100,000 miles later, but what a nightmare that was. Prior to admitting damage, the dealer gave me a written 100,000 mile guarantee for anything related to running without oil.

Hopefully you have a trusty local mechanic willing to get involved and check it out. In my case that dealer quit selling my mechanic's shop any parts for standing behind me through the ordeal. Anytime one of their guys went in to the dealer to buy parts wearing their logo they were turned away.

My advice to anybody using a dealer to do an oil change - don't check the oil before driving it away, it's already been damaged when they started it up. Drive it like there's no tomorrow so damage is undeniable. I've changed my own oil ever since.

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This was an accident but it happened due to negligence on the part of the auto dealer. You should contact a lawyer that is up to speed on the Motor Vehicle Service and Repair Act for your state. Just a quick look found that in MI at least you would be entitled to twice your damages, plus your costs and attorney fees.

FYI: I would be push for a whole new rear axle assembly, and everything that attaches to it.
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Accidents are inconvenient NOT a Lottery Win. (or at least should be that way)
Unfortunately, many people are out there just looking for that next law$uit
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I don't want this to get too far off topic or become a heated debate. I also want to make it clear I'm not seeking a hand out or trying to milk this to my personal or financial gain. I even went out of my way to see if the guy who made the mistake would be able to retain his job because accidents do happen. I haven't dropped the word sue at any point to the dealership and that isn't something I'd want to deal with anyway.

The comparison of an accident is completely moot because in this case it is due to a third parties mistake, not my own or another drivers.

I do believe the dealership should treat me with the respect any paying customer deserves, especially one who is a victim of their mistake. Dealerships are more expensive than privately owned shops because they can claim their technicians are manufacturer trained and are held to higher standards in all regards. If that stops being the case than they'll stop seeing the business and will not be able to charge that premium that is supposed to guarantee quality.

I'm going to tell them I'd like a regear with parts I provide and see if they're willing to cut me some sort of moderate discount. Hell, at the point not only did I buy a vehicle from Sales I returned with a lot of non-warranty work for Service. Even without this whole accident thing I should get some sort of something. My barber gives out punch cards where the tenth haircut is free, I don't see why these guys can't do a little something with all things considered.




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Hey all, I first want to thank everybody for their input and concern.

Last night they said the service manager would call me first thing. They opened at 0730 and 0845 rolled around and still no call, so I called. I spoke to the service manager and he was sort of nonchalant. Very matter of factly said yea it's being worked on now, we'll repair anything that was damaged. I asked about the guy who made the mistake and if he'd be terminated and he said "that's none of your concern or business".

I then asked what they were replacing and that I'm guessing their opinion on what needs replacing is different than mine. Rotor, rear driver side bumper end cap, and fender. I asked for the axle sleeve and that entire part of the brake assembly as well. I completely forgot to mention my bilstein shock. Could that have been damaged as well? It looked like it was sitting on the ground as well.

He said no insurance will be involved and that"they're going to take care of Mr. XXX" the Honda owner. While he wasn't outright rude he wasn't nearly as sympathetic as I think he should be. I got the name of his boss but haven't pursued that yet. When I told him I felt like he was being short he began apologizing and said he'll spend whatever it takes to fix this ("hell I'd spent $3,000 if I had to!") right now they say it'll be done tomorrow by COB and if not Friday (day after tomorrow).

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Just some personal observation. I can tell the manager is a professional, he took the lead and is now controlling the negotiations I spoke earlier about. He is thinking and acting rationally. You seem to be approaching this more emotionally which is a common approach given what happened. You really needed to move past that. So, I don't mean this as an insult but you're kind of out of your league in regards to negotiations in ensuring things are being done to meet your expectations.
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Just some personal observation. I can tell the manager is a professional, he took the lead and is now controlling the negotiations I spoke earlier about. He is thinking and acting rationally. You seem to be approaching this more emotionally which is a common approach given what happened. You really needed to move past that. So, I don't mean this as an insult but you're kind of out of your league in regards to negotiations in ensuring things are being done to meet your expectations.


I think you're absolutely right, no offense taken. What do you recommend? I'm very much out of my depth here. I intend to take it to a private shop and have them evaluate it and if they see there are additional damages move forward and approach the dealership with that. Outside of that I don't know how to proceed or if I should simply refuse to accept the vehicle unless they replace the axle sleeve/ entire axle? Idk. What do you recommend?


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The first thing I would recommend is getting your insurance company involved. The dealership should be responsible for the repair, but you pay for your insurance which comes with experience in handling these types of situations.

I would also recommend asking to take the Jeep to a third party of your choosing, so they can give you an unbiased estimate for damages. They should mark anything that isn't in like new condition, considering the age of the Jeep.

I don't think they will give you "free" parts or upgrades, and they shouldn't necessarily have to. But, if you want to upgrade your fenders, I would ask them if you could pay the difference between them reordering the OEM and you getting the fenders that you want. Make the best of the situation.

I feel for you, and understand what you are going through. My neighbor has a Dodge Ram pick up truck that he got new off the lot. It immediately started having transmission issues. They are "nice" and have given him a rental truck to drive while his in the shop being repaired. I see the rental truck in his driveway more often than his actual truck. They have gone the length to fully replace the transmission. They have essentially done everything short of just giving him a new truck (which I would have asked for long ago). Point is; he is still responsible for the vehicle he purchased and has to make the payments.
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@Catfathers I just need some clarification from you. In this image:


I don't see any lug nuts.. was this the case?.. or was the lug nuts not installed?.. or was this pic a before shot of they remounting the wheel?.. Did they pull through the wheel?.. was the wheel broken in the center?.

I'm under the impression there wasn't any lug on this wheel at the time the wheel/tire was flung off the vehicle.. if thats the case, the installer (the person who was mounting the wheels/tires) simply forgot to install he lugs on that last wheel.

According to you.. this person simply made a mistake.. In my eyes, this was pure laziness on the installers part and in my option that installer should lose their job. One simply can not act like they know what their doing when it comes to someones life. What if, you had made it out of the parking lot, drove out to the high way and attempt to travel at 75 mph or more.. I can only say that wouldn't have ended so well.

By no means anyone should sit back on this, thou I'm not saying one should sue the installer.. If they claim their going to make it right.. then at least the idiot who mis-mounted the tires should start looking for a new job.
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To everyone saying to sue and asking for free stuff (especially to sue for the value of the jeep, LOL!!) it has already been covered in this thread. The point is to make you whole, not for you to profit. To sue, you have to prove damages. If they fix the jeep, make you whole, where are your damages? Your slight inconvenience is going to be pretty hard to prove in court with a monetary value. Were you able to get to work still? Yes, they gave you a loaner. no damages. Did you have to pay out of pocket to fix it? No, they did. No damages. See the point here? Also, all these hypotheticals about "what if it killed someone?" "It could have killed him." It didn't. You can't sue on hypothetical what-ifs.
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My first thought was to have them install gears free of charge on top of replacing the brake/rotor. Too wild of an ask even with all things considered? I spent $50,000 there and they gave me a mini van as a loaner. How's that for insult to injury


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$50K on what? There is no way a very basic "spring" lift with no upgraded control arms cost an extra $10K. Maybe $2K and that would even be high.

So based on the amount you clearly overpaid, I would say you deserve a bit more than what the dealer has done for you.

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I'm going to tell them I'd like a regear with parts I provide and see if they're willing to cut me some sort of moderate discount. Hell, at the point not only did I buy a vehicle from Sales I returned with a lot of non-warranty work for Service. Even without this whole accident thing I should get some sort of something. My barber gives out punch cards where the tenth haircut is free, I don't see why these guys can't do a little something with all things considered.




I would not trust this shop to do gears, would take it to a real driveline shop. gears are the only thing i Farm out and don't DIY , I've seen them done several times and I'm frugal but for gears I pay for the best shop in town and don't think twice
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I'm under the impression there wasn't any lug on this wheel at the time the wheel/tire was flung off the vehicle.. if thats the case, the installer (the person who was mounting the wheels/tires) simply forgot to install he lugs on that last wheel.

According to you.. this person simply made a mistake.. In my eyes, this was pure laziness on the installers part and in my option that installer should lose their job. One simply can not act like they know what their doing when it comes to someones life. What if, you had made it out of the parking lot, drove out to the high way and attempt to travel at 75 mph or more.. I can only say that wouldn't have ended so well.
I don't have enough info here, to even begin to think it was nothing more than simply a mistake. I have heard that some humans make those occasionally.

Laziness would imply the installer makes these kind of mistakes all the time. I don't know that. If I were to speculate, I would rather think that the installer is under pressure to finish. That his/hers boss demands that they rush, and move onto the next job. Under those circumstances, even the best of us, can miss something.

The fact is, that (thankfully), he wasn't driving at 75MPH on a highway at the time. My concern in reading here, that there is a tendency to want to gauge his due compensation as if that was true.
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I think you're absolutely right, no offense taken. What do you recommend? I'm very much out of my depth here. I intend to take it to a private shop and have them evaluate it and if they see there are additional damages move forward and approach the dealership with that. Outside of that I don't know how to proceed or if I should simply refuse to accept the vehicle unless they replace the axle sleeve/ entire axle? Idk. What do you recommend?


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It sounds like the dealership started the repair work already. That would have been a great approach prior to them starting the repair work. However, going somewhere else and having it further evaluated after the repair may work as well. Having a qualified shop's list in hand of any additional work needed would definitely be beneficial. So that is a good approach.

I would also try to open the discussion for some type of additional warranty terms with the dealership to make sure you're covered in the future for anything the dealership may have missed in their determination of repair. Something in the form of, "If anything breaks in this rear axle area within a certain duration term, then the dealership agrees to repair those items with no charge to you." You want to some how make sure you're covered if the dealership missed anything in "their" analysis of what needed to be repaired since you were not provided the opportunity prior to the repair to have a 3rd party diagnosis conducted. Something in the event that if failures show up later such as if your axle was bent etc, which might not show up right away but might over the life of the vehicle. Things of that nature. Taking it to another shop for their evaluation, and explaining to the shop what happened would likely allow them to provide you a list of items that could have possibly gotten damaged to include in those additional warranty terms.

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@WaltA by no means would I say I'm perfect, Far from it in fact. A mistake would be if the lugs were not torqued properly, but leaving the lugs off a wheel is not a mistake.. and I've yet to hear from Cat on this..
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@Catfathers I just need some clarification from you. In this image:


I don't see any lug nuts.. was this the case?.. or was the lug nuts not installed?.. or was this pic a before shot of they remounting the wheel?.. Did they pull through the wheel?.. was the wheel broken in the center?.

I'm under the impression there wasn't any lug on this wheel at the time the wheel/tire was flung off the vehicle.. if thats the case, the installer (the person who was mounting the wheels/tires) simply forgot to install he lugs on that last wheel.

According to you.. this person simply made a mistake.. In my eyes, this was pure laziness on the installers part and in my option that installer should lose their job. One simply can not act like they know what their doing when it comes to someones life. What if, you had made it out of the parking lot, drove out to the high way and attempt to travel at 75 mph or more.. I can only say that wouldn't have ended so well.

By no means anyone should sit back on this, thou I'm not saying one should sue the installer.. If they claim their going to make it right.. then at least the idiot who mis-mounted the tires should start looking for a new job.
What happens to the guy that made a mistake is really no consequence or benefit to him to focus on, to correct his current problem. You're already accusing the installer and calling him an idiot and should be punished, but you have no idea if this was really the installer's fault. The installer could have been taking a piss break, some other guy came back, saw all the tires on it and gave the ok, to say it was ready. The installer comes back from their piss break and says, "what happened to the vehicle, I still had to finish mounting that last tire?"
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Alright, so who's at fault here, The person who installed or didn't install the lugs, or the person who didn't inspect the jeep before driving away..
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Alright, so who's at fault here, The person who installed or didn't install the lugs, or the person who didn't inspect the jeep before driving away..
The dealership is at fault. It doesn't really matter who the individual was that made the mistake. If you really want to dig deep enough to play the point the finger game, then you can say there is something wrong with the dealership's work instruction process procedure where that procedure should include an inspection process of all work done before a vehicle is allowed to be given back to the customer to ensure safe operation of the vehicle.
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You pay anywhere from $90-125 an hour for a professional to perform a job. When that job is not performed correctly or negligence is involved, it's hard to switch the blame to the poor sap paying the bill.
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The dealership won't hand out any extras. But if it is in fact marked as an accident on record and/or on carfax, then that certainly IS big deal.

I'll tell you firsthand that when I'm looking for a used vehicle on CarGurus, I ALWAYS check the box at the bottom that says to HIDE the vehicles that have been in an accident. Not to mention you won't get as much for a trade in on the Jeep either.

I'm sort of in the middle of the road on this; I can guarantee the dealer won't give extras, even though I think they should without you even having to ask for any. Not like anything extreme but maybe giving you lifetime free oil changes or something would be a nice gesture (even though I wouldn't go to them anymore for any service whatsoever)
I think the thought of sueing wouldn't work, and isn't the best idea anyway.

However, buying a brand new Jeep, whether you financed or not, it just wouldn't ever feel the same even if it's fixed completely....it would always be tainted.

I feel like you should get a new Jeep, even though it's never going to happen
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No you pay 90-120 dollars an hour for dealership work.......
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Repair and a few free oil changes at most, maybe an extended warranty.


Would you really want free oil changes from a dealership that can't even torque lug nuts down correctly????

Take it to a third party and have the Jeep repaired correctly. Let the insurance company deal with the dealership. I wouldn't want or expect any "extras". You have a loaner, drive it until the Jeep is finished.

This thread is all over the place. Yes, I would be pissed too if I had a tire fall off. But then again, I would of just mounted them myself and torqued to spec.


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Heir Heir @savingchris19 I'm all to aware of what has happen to our Ranger.. and Now we're turning to purchase a wrangler.. I especially like your explanation to the jeep being tainted thereafter. Sure it will never be the same afterward even if one gets "free stuff" Staying and reading here has open my eyes to a lot of issues many of your are facing. Does this mean we're not going to buy one after hearing of your horror stories?.. we're still obligated to do so.. buy one that is. As one might read in the "so you want to buy a JK" thread.. I've ask a few questions and discovered a few things I was unaware of. Right now we're at a crossroads and could pull the trigger within a few weeks if not sooner.
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A lot of interesting ideas in here, however, the dealer is already fixing it, so a 3rd party assessment to decide on repairs is realistically out of the question.

I would let them finish the repairs, insist on a test ride with the manager once the repairs are complete, and make sure that includes highway miles. I would insist on a rear diff fluid change in 5000 miles and if there are shavings in the diff, then a full rear axle replacement is agreed to ahead of time. I would explain to them that you are looking to be made whole, that means the Jeep's value and mechanically soundness are identical to it's pre-accident condition, nothing more, nothing less. The mechanical soundness part is where future failures have to be discussed.

I just got through with a steering rack replacement on my Durango due to an accident that was 6 months ago and standing firm on the made whole argument, had it replaced as a supplemental claim on the original accident. This is the type of thing that the dealer has to agree to up front.

I would not accept the repairs until a full road test has been performed to your satisfaction. You want to be made whole. That is what you are entitled to, to be made whole, not rich, not ahead, just whole.

The fly here is the honda, they too are entitled to be made whole. You were driving when the accident occurred. Regardless of how it happened or why, or who is ultimately to blame, the honda owner only has one recourse if they are not made whole, and that is your insurance company.

The dealer has already stepped up to take care of the honda. As long as the honda owner is made whole, then you're probably in the clear there.

It is clear the dealer is looking to avoid any kind of insurance claim, so the threat of going to the insurance company is your only leverage to get it restored to pre-accident condition.

Now if the dealer balks at fully restoring the Jeep to it's pre-accident condition, or won't extend themselves for a reasonable period of time to cover unseen/unknown damages, then call your insurance company and be prepared to never set foot in the dealer ever again.

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I've seen this happen on a few occasions on XJs. Once at 35mph when I was following a buddy home right after leaving an offroad park. The Jeep was fine, but we had a few 100 yd run into the woods to grab his 35" Cooper LOL. 99% chance your jeep is also fine. Maybe have them throw a new rotor on, not charge for the labor, and pay for the Honda. After that I'd go about my life and not worry about it. The tech made a mistake, it happens. I've heard of techs forgetting to put oil in vehicles and they blow a motor. It could be worse.....
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Yeah because my response that you quoted above was in response to the OP stating his first thought was for the dealer to install new gears for FREE - that's free stuff.

All this hysteria regarding what if's and threatening litigation does nothing to resolve the matter.

The OP would be best served by asking for a WRITTEN repair scope, post that on here and get opinions as to wheather it seems reasonably inclusive.
While I mostly agree, I'm not sure we live in a sane world. This is 2017 America, where everyday everyone, on average, commits three felonies they don't even know about and can sue/be sued by anyone for anything.

I think literally cation is a legit concern on both of their ends via me Honda, not hysteria. Again, given today's day and age.

I know s guy who owns a used car lot. Person buys a car with no warranty. Written. Can't have one due to NY law. Person knows this. Car breaks, my friend voluntarily dumps thousands into car. Person who bought always wants more. Almost always sues. Sometimes wins.

I'm a bit skittish because I've seen hysteria in action.
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^"Posts on Percocet. I'm a bit skittish because I've seen hysteria in action."

Easy now, this thread isn't that exciting...stick with the meds now.
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There were lug nuts on but I don't believe they were even finger tight with how rapidly they came off. We were only able to find 3 on the road. There may have been all 5 but who knows.

I called the dealership to ask about the regear. I didn't ask for it free I asked if they could give me "some sort of discount" and he said yes absolutely.

He said I have the 5 speed automatic and if I were to go 4.10 or 4.55 I'd be screaming doing 50 mph? I was unaware there were more than one automatic transmission for the 17 model year wranglers. Is that the case or is he just super wrong and not understand jeeps? This is the service manager btw


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Lol. He's definitely wrong then, correct? Like, way wrong


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Yep 4.10's are a stock option. 4.56's with 35's will be like running 4.10 with stock tires.

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