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Old 08-26-2019, 01:54 PM
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But I pulled them off and they've still got plenty of meat at 60k miles.

Anyone else see something similar? Rear brakes were toast at 50, but these probably could've lasted till 80k?

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What about the rotor thickness? I think they usually round down. I replaced mine at 50k. More wear in the rear is expected.
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Did not measure rotor thickness... I did the fingernail test though. That's a good thing to check in the future
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Probably talking about the back brakes. I replaced my rear pads in January and the LR pads for lack of a better word "disappeared" by July. I couldn't believe how fast they had worn out.
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Probably talking about the back brakes. I replaced my rear pads in January and the LR pads for lack of a better word "disappeared" by July. I couldn't believe how fast they had worn out.
Which is why I turn off ESC every time my arse hits the seat.
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Which is why I turn off ESC every time my arse hits the seat.
ESC isn't the reason it wears more in the back. More brake proportioning to the rear in newer vehicles and smaller rotors/pads in the back would be the culprit.
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ESC isn't the reason it wears more in the back. More brake proportioning to the rear in newer vehicles and smaller rotors/pads in the back would be the culprit.
If that's what you think.
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But I pulled them off and they've still got plenty of meat at 60k miles.

Anyone else see something similar? Rear brakes were toast at 50, but these probably could've lasted till 80k?
I can't speak to the rotor condition, and I doubt they measured them or checked in any other means but looked. Those brakes are fine, they probably have 20K miles or more life remaining. I'd inspect the rotors and look for another dealer.
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Last time I got my oil changed in my wife's car, I sat by the entrance to the shop and could hear all the conversations the tech had with all the customers. This is a Jiffy Lube like place so very busy and I heard maybe 10 conversations while I was waiting. He told every customer (and me) that their transmission fluid was black that it needed to be flushed. I guess it's possible, but I doubt everyone needed it. lol
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If that's what you think.
Yeah, unless you're jerking the wheel back and forth while driving at speed constantly, ESC is doing squat 99.9% of the time.
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Which is why I turn off ESC every time my arse hits the seat.
What is ESC?
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Shops lie all the time. It's pretty sad but it's reality and I've come to expect that when friends and family get quotes. These days, it seems like the dealer is more honest because the manufacturer has a set of mileage expectations for each "wear item" on the vehicle they have to log it because excessive early component wear can be a defective part that has to be warrantied and the manufacturer usually wants proof nowadays.

Stock brakes kinda suck but good aftermarket(in our case better than factory) is pretty inexpensive. The most expensive part of the brake job is usually buying rotors if they cannot be turned. Buying factory rotors is usually your best bet. What you can buy at your local parts store is usually garbage. You typically have a ratio of 1 pair of rotors for every 2 pairs of pads. So you can change your rear pads twice, turning the rotors in between pads, and at the end of the second pair of pads you buy new rotors.

While we're talking about brakes, you should be changing your fluid every 2 yrs regardless of pads/rotors.
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Im at 13K and rear brakes are at 50%, front no wear signs so far. I probably enter corners too quickly.
I like how JKU steers , was prepared for worst.
rear pads are not expensive, 20-50$ once in a while imo its not a big deal.
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But I pulled them off and they've still got plenty of meat at 60k miles.



Anyone else see something similar? Rear brakes were toast at 50, but these probably could've lasted till 80k?
I had a tire guy tell me my rear pads were gone. When I bought the parts for front and rear brakes, pads and disks, I checked the rear pads. I'll bet I had at least 1/3 left on there. I changed the disk and pads anyway since I had it all jacked up and ready to go.

The front pads were virtually untouched so I left them be. All of this was at 65,000 miles.
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But I pulled them off and they've still got plenty of meat at 60k miles.

Anyone else see something similar? Rear brakes were toast at 50, but these probably could've lasted till 80k?
Had the same issue with my 2013 JKU.

Wife brought the Jeep in for oil change, and they told her it needed new brakes as they were at 10%.

She brought Jeep home.

I ordered new Hawk pads for the rear as the rotors were within spec according to the dealership, and my measurements.

Took the old pads off and they looked like yours, i.e. NOT at 10%.

I replaced the pads anyways. Sent an email to the dealership along with photos of the pads I took off. Was not impressed. Shop manager said they must have made a mistake when measuring. I asked them to have the service worker clarify how he measured, was told he must have made mistake measuring.

Too bad it is a common theme that dealerships are trying to rip you off.
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Last time I got my oil changed in my wife's car, I sat by the entrance to the shop and could hear all the conversations the tech had with all the customers. This is a Jiffy Lube like place so very busy and I heard maybe 10 conversations while I was waiting. He told every customer (and me) that their transmission fluid was black that it needed to be flushed. I guess it's possible, but I doubt everyone needed it. lol
A friend's son worked there. They were trained to upsell everything.

My father's best friend was an owner of a chain of Midas Muffler shops. They were also trained to upsell everything. "Lady, I wouldn't drive this thing home" was a line they particularly told sales people to use.

They guy used to joke about it all the time.
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I think the OP's pads may have been worn 10%, LOL. Maybe the writer just got mixed up?
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Car salesmen and mechanics are the worst. Tough finding a good honest mechanic, and salesmen are just swindlers by trade.
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I had a dealer try that once. The service advisers tune changed quickly when I asked him to show me.

I then told the service manager that his staff just cost the dealership the sale of a new Grand Cherokee. I'm sure he didn't believe then but he did when I drove it over there to show him.
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Car salesmen and mechanics are the worst. Tough finding a good honest mechanic, and salesmen are just swindlers by trade.
Yep! Totally agree.

Took my son 2015 JKU to the dealer for warranty repair, Jeep had weird noises coming off the transmission. Of course, dealer said it was the clutch and because is a wear item is not covered.

We went to a local 4x4 shop and install a new clutch, sure thing the noise was still there.

Went back to the dealer and currently the transmission is on order.

Dealer A-holes made him replace a good clutch with plenty of life left.

I truly hate them.
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ESC & those systems are contributors. Yep, rears on 013 JKU out at 40-50K.. Fronts still over 50% .. (I even have Powerstops for fronts when ??). BTW I did the work, no dlrship. Have multiple friends with Rice Burners and they are experiencing the same, rears wear out 2 times b4 the fronts. IMO - ESC/traction control/ABS systems contributing.
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ESC & those systems are contributors. Yep, rears on 013 JKU out at 40-50K.. Fronts still over 50% .. (I even have Powerstops for fronts when ??). BTW I did the work, no dlrship. Have multiple friends with Rice Burners and they are experiencing the same, rears wear out 2 times b4 the fronts. IMO - ESC/traction control/ABS systems contributing.
I think their contribution is largely negligible. If it did, then it would contribute equally on all four wheels. ESC is only used to correct significant sway stability and wheel slip situations, which you don't see in normal driving. BLD only works in 4-low and it only activates when there is wheel slip. Most other cars are FWD, so their systems would be applying brakes more on the front if it was a traction issue, otherwise stability would be controlled on all four corners.

Brake systems used to have a fixed proportioning valve that controlled the pressure between the front and rear. That valve was biased to the front, because you didn't want to hard lock the rear brakes when the weight shifts during braking. Now that we have ABS, the proportioning is largely controlled by ABS. If you start to lock up the rear, the computer can just modulate the pressure in the back. That means we can have increased brake pressure to the rear to prevent nose dive. Look at the rear pads and rotors and they are tiny compared to the front.

That's my understanding from researching this a while ago, but I'm open to changing my mind.
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Of course, dealer said it was the clutch and because is a wear item is not covered.

...currently the transmission is on order.
What kind of an a-hole downsells a transmission (that the customer doesn't even have to pay for) in order to sell a clutch? Knowing he's going to look stupid when it doesn't fix the problem?

Either an incompetent slob or someone who'd rather make a crooked quarter than an honest dollar. Too many of both of them out there.
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I had a dealer try that once. The service advisers tune changed quickly when I asked him to show me.

I then told the service manager that his staff just cost the dealership the sale of a new Grand Cherokee. I'm sure he didn't believe then but he did when I drove it over there to show him.
Thank you. donít take this the wrong way, but itís a-hole moves like this that show those dealer shtheads whatís up and helps out the rest of us...assuming the dipsht actually learns from it.
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Last time I got my oil changed in my wife's car, I sat by the entrance to the shop and could hear all the conversations the tech had with all the customers. This is a Jiffy Lube like place so very busy and I heard maybe 10 conversations while I was waiting. He told every customer (and me) that their transmission fluid was black that it needed to be flushed. I guess it's possible, but I doubt everyone needed it. lol

Years ago I stopped at a Jiffy Lube to get an oil change and the tech doing the work came to me and said that my engine oil was really black so he recommended an engine flush treatment. I asked him what car did he change the oil on after 3,ooo miles where the oil WASN'T completely black because I wanted to buy one of those cars. At that point he knew I was not an idiot and I did not buy his line of BS. I just smiled and said no thanks and he walked away.
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My previous boss brought our work van to a shop where his son in law worked. We were getting tbe tires changed and he said the brake pads were at about 20%. He ordered them that day. When i went to replace the pads, they were about 75% left on the pads and still more than about 99% of other cars on the road because it was a one ton. Doesnt matter who you go to, as far as im concerned, ALL dealerships and shops are the scum of the earth! Only go to one particular pepboys for tire changes because i know they have treated me right in the past. Everything else, i do myself.
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...assuming the dipsht actually learns from it.
If he has to be taught that, he's probably not capable of learning it.
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BLD only works in 4-low and it only activates when there is wheel slip.
Are you sure about that?


That is not how I read Jeep's explanation.


https://blog.fcanorthamerica.com/200...rol-explained/
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Are you sure about that?


That is not how I read Jeep's explanation.


https://blog.fcanorthamerica.com/200...rol-explained/
I think you're right. It works in 4L and 4H.
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What kind of an a-hole downsells a transmission (that the customer doesn't even have to pay for) in order to sell a clutch? Knowing he's going to look stupid when it doesn't fix the problem?

Either an incompetent slob or someone who'd rather make a crooked quarter than an honest dollar. Too many of both of them out there.
i would be willing to bet the dealer knew it was a bad transmission and was going to do it under warranty and have them include the new clutch in the warranty saying the bad transmission damaged it and get paid for both from Jeep then print you out a separate bill for a new clutch that was already paid for by jeep. double dipping maybe.

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