So worst case we are about 4 years away for a diesel wrangler. I guess FCA has finally understood that the wrangler community will keep their cash flow going...
Its been around for over 40 years. Fords done it. Toyota too. Power steering uses hydraulic fluid thru a pump. Normally run off the engine thru a belt. BUT use an electric motor. Eliminate the belt AND don't drain power from the engine. Draw from the battery instead. And setup the alternator to only charge when you do not want ALL the power to accelerate. Better yet... use regenerative charging as you slow and brake.
Electric Power Steering can be far more efficient.
I'd love to see a Pure Electric Wrangler. Motors at the Wheel Hubs... Portals??? NO driveline!! Full Independent Suspension. Computers to control traction. NO oil. Hell NO fluids!! Run it upside down. Run it submerged..... Endless possibilities.
My daily driver has electric steering and it feels fine. The steering firmness changes when in sport mode. So maybe a flashcal could adjust the Wrangler's steering firmness as well? This would be good for oversized wheels and tires.
Thought I might see if we can leave the electric steering thread and go with DIESEL....
Has anyone noticed that the diesel was originally due in 2017, then 2018, now before 2020....they are already being manufactured in Ohio. We just can't get one in the US.
FCA is certain that they can sell all the Wranglers they can make without going to a diesel engine. What they don't want to see is that the competition is hard at work on bringing diesel engines to their products. Korean, Chinese, going to show up with diesel engines. Nissan, Toyota, Chevy, and yes, Dodge pickups all have diesel engines. Anyone every see a Toyota out on the trail? Sounds improbable I know, but we may even see a British diesel. Defender anyone?
Personally I love my Jeep, but diesel torque would make me love it more. Soon.
Any factory folks reading the forum?
Thought I might see if we can leave the electric steering thread and go with DIESEL....
Has anyone noticed that the diesel was originally due in 2017, then 2018, now before 2020....they are already being manufactured in Ohio. We just can't get one in the US.
FCA is certain that they can sell all the Wranglers they can make without going to a diesel engine. What they don't want to see is that the competition is hard at work on bringing diesel engines to their products. Korean, Chinese, going to show up with diesel engines. Nissan, Toyota, Chevy, and yes, Dodge pickups all have diesel engines. Anyone every see a Toyota out on the trail? Sounds improbable I know, but we may even see a British diesel. Defender anyone?
Personally I love my Jeep, but diesel torque would make me love it more. Soon.
Any factory folks reading the forum?
What competition is hard at work with diesels? We have a Ram that's been on sale for a year and the GM midsize twins that arrived just in time for the lowest fuel prices in a decade or more. People won't pay the premium for diesel now. Add to that VW's emissions mess and the news networks slandering them and you have another giant setback for diesels in America- Realize that most people are idiots and will only think what CNN tells them to think. Diesel has suffered another giant blow to public perception just like the poorly made 80s GM passenger car diesel.
What Diesel are they putting in the export Wranglers? Is it something they could use here or would they have to develope a different Diesel for domestic wranglers?
Yes. But I bet it doesn't and can't meet the stricter diesel emission tests we have in the U. S. Meeting emissions may require an entire different design.
Definition of Horror: A self-driving Jeep Wrangler from FCA
Slightly less frightening will be a more complex platform offering than we have now.
As for "waiting" for the arrival of a diesal Wrangler - I couldn't care less but I know many are excited. I just hope they don't start the Bouncey-House Party anytime soon.
Those things can Kill 'ya.
What Diesel are they putting in the export Wranglers? Is it something they could use here or would they have to develope a different Diesel for domestic wranglers?
What Diesel are they putting in the export Wranglers? Is it something they could use here or would they have to develope a different Diesel for domestic wranglers?
There is a 3.0 L V6 Diesel in the inventory, as we speak that puts out 240Hp/420Tq and gets 21/29mpg Motor exists now. Can you imagine a Wrangler with that kind of power.
Yes. But I bet it doesn't and can't meet the stricter diesel emission tests we have in the U. S. Meeting emissions may require an entire different design.
I would LOVE a diesel Jeep Wrangler, YES please YES!!! Do it soon~ I've had several diesel SUV's Mercedes ML350 diesel, had 2 of them, awesome and a VW diesel. What's not to love about diesel, tons of torque, power, less maintenance, solid rock motor. But people's perception in America is truly flawed, in Europe diesel is the ONLY way to go but American's haven't reached that pinnacle yet and they should. Lot's of benefits of going diesel but Americans are not fully informed and aware of the benefits...
Why are people so upset about electric power steering. There is still a physical connection between the steering wheel and tires. Instead of a belt driven hydro pump it's an electro hydro pump.
VM Motori, the manufacturer of the 3.0 in the GC, has a 2.1 4cyl engine of 161 HP, 265 lbs-ft that meets US emission requirements and has been for sale in the Mercedes Sprinter for 2 or 3 years. It is hooked to a 7 spd. auto. and should be capable of getting 24 to 29 MPG in the Wrangler. It gets approximately 28 MPG in the 6,000 lb Sprinter Van. That means you would have a much extended range. Means you could take longer back country trips without worry. Means you could tow or carry more on those trips. Means you would have more grunt to climb that rock. Modern diesels are far more capable than what Americans remember. Go drive one at the Jeep dealer and see for yourself.
Personally, I want that 4cyl from the Sprinter. Lighter, less maintenance, more grunt, better range. Think about the possibilities.
And just in passing, most Americans are not Idiots, they are being fed BS by the Media.
From another forum with insiders at Jeep. The 2018 Wrangler new design is complete as mentioned in the Detroit Auto Show this month. Design drivetrain options are as follows.There is no mention of a manual transmission so start your crying now.
2018 Jeep Wrangler
Production startup Spring 2017
All-new "JL" Wrangler
New 2nd generation ZF 8-speed transmissions
New 2.0L Hurricane engine (with new 850RE transmission)
New 3.0L VM Diesel engine for North America (with new 8HP75 transmission)
New 3.6L Pentastar upgrade engine (with new 850RE transmission)
No, I traded the 2014 Mustang because it lacked feedback from the electric steering, brakes, and Automatic transmission which made it a boring car to drive. I got the JKW because I thought it would be a great city car (it's not a car, I know) and after a few test drives I really liked the direct feel I got from the steering, brakes, and Auto with/without manual mode. I don't like feeling isolated from the road and a JK doesn't do that. This is for my DD and I still have a 350ZR for the weekend. The JKW has been the best city car I've ever had.
I believe diesels have always been offered in the JK. I can't speak for Canada but in the US a vehicle has to be 25 years old before it can be imported. I want to say Canada is like 15 years for the restriction.
One of the worst things about Diesels is the few places that have it always have a puddle of the stinky stuff in front of the pump and it stinks up your car because you track it in with your shoes. Oh year, gotta wear gloves if you don't want to smell diesel all day. I've noticed peoples garages who have Diesels also stink, likely because they are so stinky when first started. If they get 100 mpg and have 1000 horsepower/1000 Tq I'd consider it if it was cheap. Maybe. Yes I know how clean modern Diesels can be, we have some at work that are impressive.
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