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Old 06-12-2018, 09:30 PM
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Drove to work with disconnected sway and loved it

Just for fun disconnected the front sway bar and loved the smooth ride to work. Got rid of almost all the bobble head affect. No issues on the freeway either.

Tell me again why I cant juat leave it disconnected other then I could die? Really felt like a new suspension setup!

Just my observation, any shocks that can replicate this ride and I'm sold

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look at jks flex links. The issue with not running swaybars is not for routine driving but in the event you have to do an emergency maneuver/action. There is no way to practice one as they happen fast and instantly (other wise they would not be emergency maneuvers). Just because people do it don't make it right or safe .
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it's easy to test, just go on an empty road 20km/hour and cut sharply left right left right.
much worse if you had to cut left or right while going hard on the brakes and much worse if you were driving faster.

my 17jk sway bar disconnect failed while wheeling and stuck unlocked, pretty flexy and floppy on the road. as nice as it felt it's very unsafe for everyone on the road.

not to mention if I did have an accident and they found out it was disconnected I am sure my insurance could be voided.
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A heavily modified or even stock jeep can body roll with the sway bars disconnected...becareful it is not recommended they are there for a reason.
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Just for fun disconnected the front sway bar and loved the smooth ride to work. Got rid of almost all the bobble head affect. No issues on the freeway either.

Tell me again why I cant juat leave it disconnected other then I could die? Really felt like a new suspension setup!

Just my observation, any shocks that can replicate this ride and I'm sold

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Yup. It's a whole new ride without the sway bar!


I have mine removed permanently. I don't encourage others to do it but I have operated without a sway bar on the jeep and my previous vehicle for a total of about 8 years without issue.


I have the 3" TF sport lift (pretty stiff springs) with the Falcon 3.3 shocks and hydraulic bump stops. I really don't feel much roll if any at all without a SB... even with some swerve tests. Short of that I would recommend the flex connects. It's probably the next best thing total SB disconnect.
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I wouldn't recommend driving with the sway bar disconnected for obvious reasons. As others have pointed out, during emergency maneuvers there is excessive body roll and the increased possibility of rolling the Jeep. That being said, do you know what else increases the tendency to flip your Jeep during emergency maneuvers? Lift kits, bigger tires, increased weight from bumpers, winches, skid plates, roll bars, and another million things that we all do to our Jeeps. How many people have you seen a Jeep with 3.5" lift kits, armor, 37" tires, and STOCK BRAKES? You know that thing is going to take 200ft to drag it to a stop from 60mph. And by the way, How well do your steel front and rear bumpers work to absorb small impacts as the stock bumpers are designed too? The Jeep is designed and manufactured to meet minimum government safety requirements. We tromp all over that as soon as we leave the lot with all the mods we do. So no, I would not drive with the sway bar disconnected but we also have to be realistic with EVERYTHING we do to our Jeeps. Disconnecting the sway bar in some cases may be the least dangerous thing.
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"Disconnecting the sway bar in some cases may be the least dangerous thing."

adding things that increases risk slightly is not the same as completely removing a safety device.

bigger tires are generally heavier and wider and also unsprung weight so i think the tradeoff is minimal unless you talking pizza cutters

minimum safety standards that take into account extra weight from passengers and cargo and trailer towing and tongue weight etc... stock brakes are pretty good
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"Disconnecting the sway bar in some cases may be the least dangerous thing."

adding things that increases risk slightly is not the same as completely removing a safety device.

bigger tires are generally heavier and wider and also unsprung weight so i think the tradeoff is minimal unless you talking pizza cutters

minimum safety standards that take into account extra weight from passengers and cargo and trailer towing and tongue weight etc... stock brakes are pretty good

You have proof to back that up?
Because physics will tell you the higher you make something compared to its wideness, raises the center of gravity and therefore makes the object easier to roll. Some of these lifts are high enough to make a jeep totally unstable in a roll situation even WITH a sway bar.



We make jeeps more dangerous with just about every modification we do. Screwing around with the balance between the front and rear brakes, stinger bars, lifts increasing the height of the center of gravity. Using "off road" parts on the road.....


It ALL increases the danger both to you and to the public. It's quite hypocritical to think the mods YOU are doing are perfectly safe compared to the mods others are doing.


Again, I don't encourage people to do unsafe mods but to think the mods you make are any safer then the next guy's is silliness.


There is only one proven jeep... and that's the stock one. Anything other than that is a pure guessing game.
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Not safe for you or other drivers on the road.

Please prove the lift you placed on your jeep, and the "OFF ROAD" hydro assist hasn't made things less safe for you or the public.
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Please prove the lift you placed on your jeep, and the "OFF ROAD" hydro assist hasn't made things less safe for you or the public.
Whoa there! When did they make the claim that you're insisting they prove?


They made a true statement. The fact that they can't prove a claim that you're pretending they made doesn't change that.
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Yup. It's a whole new ride without the sway bar!


I have mine removed permanently. I don't encourage others to do it but I have operated without a sway bar on the jeep and my previous vehicle for a total of about 8 years without issue.


I have the 3" TF sport lift (pretty stiff springs) with the Falcon 3.3 shocks and hydraulic bump stops. I really don't feel much roll if any at all without a SB... even with some swerve tests. Short of that I would recommend the flex connects. It's probably the next best thing total SB disconnect.
This is what mine feels like. I'm sure the 3.5" pro comp lift springs are super stiff.

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I don't want to have to ever do an emergency maneuver in the Jeep. And mine is stock. I thought it was bad enough driving home from the dealership and having the cruise control kick off twice because I was a little over the posted caution speed in some turns. OK, I did drive across part of Idaho and all of Oregon on some back country roads

I have adapted to driving at the posted caution speed around corners now. Although just recently I went over a rise in the road around a corner and it kicked off again. I never had this problem in my Corvette
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"Disconnecting the sway bar in some cases may be the least dangerous thing."

adding things that increases risk slightly is not the same as completely removing a safety device.

bigger tires are generally heavier and wider and also unsprung weight so i think the tradeoff is minimal unless you talking pizza cutters

minimum safety standards that take into account extra weight from passengers and cargo and trailer towing and tongue weight etc... stock brakes are pretty good

I am not sure I agree completely. I believe that you chose to look at one pixel of the big picture.

Lets start here. I did on purpose state that disconnecting "may be" the least dangerous thing. The reason? Because it also may be the most dangerous thing as well. But beyond that I also want to bring up the fact that a lot of people (I would be so brazen to even say the majority) when they add larger tires also lift their Jeep and use non stock offset wheels. Larger tires alone raises the center of gravity and an offset wheel affects straight line stability because of it's affect on steering axis inclination. Add in the lift and that center of gravity goes up even higher and this starts to affect steering geometry even more requiring us to compensate for the affects of the lift. Then most aftermarket lifts use non stock spring rates, shocks with non stock dampening rates, and custom length control arms that change wheelbase. Again another change to steering and suspension geometry from stock. Then add in 600 - 800 lbs of sprung weight to the chassis from armor and forget about it.. You can expect that the Jeep will absolutely 100% not handle or react like a stock jeep on it's little 32" tall tires at all. Sway bar connected or not..
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You know this is all BS right? Its not safe? Phoooey...Be aware of what you're driving, and you're fine. Any vehicle is unsafe if you're a bad driver, do something stupid or don't know how to react in emergencies. I have a car in my garage that came stock without Swaybars. Ooooh ahhhh...no big deal.
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Whoa there! When did they make the claim that you're insisting they prove?


They made a true statement. The fact that they can't prove a claim that you're pretending they made doesn't change that.

The point I'm trying to make is that ANY non certified and/or unapproved mod made to a vehicle is unsafe. Who knows.... maybe maybe with no sway bar and stiffer springs/shocks I've made things even safer. Point is it's unproven.


I placed a stronger bumper on the front of my jeep. Now I could make the (logical) assumption I have made it safer, but I may not have. Maybe the Engineers incorporated the softer stock bumper in as part of the crumple zone on a front end collision and I have screwed that up.


Is operating without a sway bar less safe? On a stock jeep is sure would be, but maybe after the suspension mods you have done makes the sway bar LESS safe. I dunno... but the point is neither does any one else unless it's tested objectively by an approved lab.


I do know that running around without a sway bar makes ME feel safer and more confident. I'm not rattling my teeth out my head with every bump and fighting the steering wheel anywhere near as much as I was before and I can even drive with one hand now which I couldn't do after my lift and with the sway bar. The jeep is pure pleasure to drive now.



Sooo... is it less safe without a sway bar? I don't know.. Logically speaking it SOUNDS more dangerous, but it actual fact it SEEMS to prove otherwise. At this stage I would say trying to find the proper sub menu on your car stereo while driving is far more dangerous than running without a sway bar.
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it's easy to test, just go on an empty road 20km/hour and cut sharply left right left right.
much worse if you had to cut left or right while going hard on the brakes and much worse if you were driving faster.

Done that... at faster speeds too.

At least with the TF 3" sport lift and falcon3.3 shock there is virtually no roll.


There is another forum member who has the same set up and tested the same thing and came to the same conclusion. You can find it in the falcon 3.3 thread.
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It's all fun and games until you end up in a twisted ball of steel from an emergency high speed avoidance maneuver that turns into a high speed roll over accident...

Food for thought... If you are in an accident that injures yourself and potentially others, and the highway patrolman investigating the accident and/or the insurance adjuster inspecting your vehicle notices that you were driving around with a basic safety feature of your Jeep disabled. Insurance no longer has to pay your claim for damages or harm to others. Which would also open you up to all kinds of nasty criminal and civil liabilities for negligent operation.

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Stupidity is not a valid reason for the insurance company to deny coverage. Only if they can prove the crash was a deliberate attempt to commit insurance fraud.

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It's all fun and games until you end up in a twisted ball of steel from an emergency high speed avoidance maneuver that turns into a high speed roll over accident...

Food for thought... If you are in an accident that injures yourself and potentially others, and the highway patrolman investigating the accident and/or the insurance adjuster inspecting your vehicle notices that you were driving around with a basic safety feature of your Jeep disabled. Insurance no longer has to pay your claim for damages or harm to others. Which would also open you up to all kinds of nasty criminal and civil liabilities for negligent operation.

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It's all fun and games until you end up in a twisted ball of steel from an emergency high speed avoidance maneuver that turns into a high speed roll over accident...

Food for thought... If you are in an accident that injures yourself and potentially others, and the highway patrolman investigating the accident and/or the insurance adjuster inspecting your vehicle notices that you were driving around with a basic safety feature of your Jeep disabled. Insurance no longer has to pay your claim for damages or harm to others. Which would also open you up to all kinds of nasty criminal and civil liabilities for negligent operation.

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(Maybe in the USA but not in Canada. We have caps on how much you can sue for).


The same can be said for your lift. You have raised its center of gravity beyond the engineered point and made it dangerous and unstable and as a result, more susceptible to roll overs. But that's not a potential lawsuit you seem to be concerned with. Why?


In fact I believe there is an active lawsuit going on in the US with those stinger bars, is there not? I seem to remember some guy with a high lifted jeep t-boning a honda civic. The stinger bar came through the window and hit a kid in the head. Killed her.
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Stupidity is not a valid reason for the insurance company to deny coverage. Only if they can prove the crash was a deliberate attempt to commit insurance fraud.

Your opinion withstanding... Yes, purposely disabling the safety systems of a vehicle, (through stupidity or otherwise), is absolutely a valid reason for denial of insurance coverage.

If you decided to tamper with your brakes by replacing the DOT certified pads with your own experimental brake pad formula made from Play-Doh, and while driving in this configuration, you rear end a family of 5 sending them off of a bridge to a watery grave. The insurance company would laugh at your attempts to file a claim and be completely and legally justified in telling you to take a hike...
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(Maybe in the USA but not in Canada. We have caps on how much you can sue for).


The same can be said for your lift. You have raised its center of gravity beyond the engineered point and made it dangerous and unstable and as a result, more susceptible to roll overs. But that's not a potential lawsuit you seem to be concerned with. Why?
The difference is that here in the U.S., a lift within legal limits of your state's sanctioned requirements, is a legal modification. Removal of your vehicle's safety systems, whether it be your sway bar, your bumpers, your seat belts, etc... are NOT legal modifications.

And while Canada in it's wisdom may think capping a victim's right to compensation for being injured by the negligence of others is somehow just... Here in the U.S. if you take it upon yourself to commit vehicular manslaughter through purposeful negligence, the victim's surviving family (and the state), can pretty much clean you out AND have you incarcerated.
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Just for fun disconnected the front sway bar and loved the smooth ride to work. Got rid of almost all the bobble head affect. No issues on the freeway either.

Tell me again why I cant juat leave it disconnected other then I could die? Really felt like a new suspension setup!

Just my observation, any shocks that can replicate this ride and I'm sold

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Curious what kind of sway bar disconnect you have, stock, aftermarket, or get underneath with a wrench?

The stock Rubi sway bar disconnect automatically reconnects on my 2016 around 16 mph.
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Curious what kind of sway bar disconnect you have, stock, aftermarket, or get underneath with a wrench?

The stock Rubi sway bar disconnect automatically reconnects on my 2016 around 16 mph.
Just a simple rubicon express quick disconnect. Takes a few minutes to disconnect and slide the whole link off on the drivers side.

Haven't put it back on yet but should be fast to put back on as well.

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I'm sorry, but I'm still stuck here wondering why disconnecting the swaybar had such an enormous effect on ride quality?

Going straight the sway bar doesn't do much of anything. In turns it limits leaning and sway.

Only time I have run sans sway bar was after a day on the trail and knowing I was going the next day. I have JKS discos and didn't want to reconnect knowing I wasn't leaving town and wheeling the next. I also didn't air back up. So I was running around town with 10psi and no sway bar. Only thing I noticed was a lot of leaning in turns and felt like I was driving on marshmallows...
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I'm sorry, but I'm still stuck here wondering why disconnecting the swaybar had such an enormous effect on ride quality?

Going straight the sway bar doesn't do much of anything. In turns it limits leaning and sway.

Only time I have run sans sway bar was after a day on the trail and knowing I was going the next day. I have JKS discos and didn't want to reconnect knowing I wasn't leaving town and wheeling the next. I also didn't air back up. So I was running around town with 10psi and no sway bar. Only thing I noticed was a lot of leaning in turns and felt like I was driving on marshmallows...
Probably my stiff springs but I can definitively tell you my bobble head side to side everytime I hit a bump in the road has almost gone away and greatly improved.

For example every morning I turn into my work drive way slowing from 35mph. Normally I turn in the jeep rocks side to side a few times pretty roughly and then settling as I go straight. Without the sway connected I barely get one rock before its settled.

Maybe I will take a video of it

When going straight or on the freeway it feels just as stiff as it was before, no marshmallow affect. I'm testing it for a another day and then I will connect them but might be my suspension setup that is making it not feel sloppy at all, very smooth and controlled.

3.5" pro comp lift, 35" ko2 tires on 17" wheels, yeti hd front track bar on pro comp relocation bracket, rear pro comp HD track bar on teraflex relocation bracket. As far as I know everything else is stock. Heavy steel front, back, and sides with winch. JKU with hardtop (all though I have been driving like this with no top)



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