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Old 01-08-2019, 12:38 PM   #31
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No problems with mine so far. I did heed the venting instructions, but I also keep them stored in the garage...empty. I put them on for longer trips(and I have used them) and take them off and use them for mower gas when I get home if I don't need them on the trip.

I noticed bulging in mine but went from 700' of elevation to 12K'. They did need venting at that point. Amazing the air pressure difference.

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Never bought a Rotopax, but I occasionally have to transport gas in a five gallon can. Between the temp differentials and the shaking of the can while driving, it swells up like a melon sometimes. I learned the hard way I have to burp the cans and watch fuel shoot out before you can pour from those new type of cans.

Just driving around, even in cold temps, can cause those containers to expand. Never did have one leak though.
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Good advice to follow.... "PLEASE ALWAYS REMEMBER TO VENT THE FUEL PACK ONCE PER DAY IF THE ELEVATION OR TEMPERATURE CHANGES SIGNIFICANTLY"

I've seen small plastic gas cans in the garage bulge due to pressure or temp changes. Routine venting of plastic gas cans should include the larger 2.5 to 5 gallon gas cans stored in the home garage for the tractor or mower. Since the plastic Rotopax material is harder and less flexible than the larger 2.5 to 5 gallon gas cans they might be more susceptible to cracks if not vented regularly. This has been a good PSA for Jeepers to check their cans!
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Speaking of altitude, could the barometric pressure have changed over those three or four days?? That might have been the source of the swelling.
Maybe cloudy to sunny or sunny to cloudy over the course of that time?
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Speaking of altitude, could the barometric pressure have changed over those three or four days?? That might have been the source of the swelling.
Maybe cloudy to sunny or sunny to cloudy over the course of that time?
I actually have a weather station on my roof that logs data to Weather Underground.

Here is the historical data for the time period the pack was mounted up with gas in it (Dec 19 - Dec 23).

Altitude at my residence is approx. 5,230'.

Only driving I did was around town. So no significant elevation change to speak of. Temperature range was 25-60F; no extreme or "significant" temp differentials.
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Okay - I find this thread interesting and hope that I don’t trigger anyone with my contribution...

I installed my dual Rotopax jugs on my tire carrier last summer. Water in one and 92 Non-Oxy with Stabil fuel stabilizer in the other. I have never once cracked either jug to vent pressure or vacuum. I have no bulging. I routinely go from my home at 1300’ ASL to 8000+’ ASL. Temps from 25° to 100+° F.
I just washed my rig today and applied 303 Aerospace UV Protectant to the jugs and did not notice any issues.
What am I doing wrong?
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Okay - I find this thread interesting and hope that I don’t trigger anyone with my contribution...

I installed my dual Rotopax jugs on my tire carrier last summer. Water in one and 92 Non-Oxy with Stabil fuel stabilizer in the other. I have never once cracked either jug to vent pressure or vacuum. I have no bulging. I routinely go from my home at 1300’ ASL to 8000+’ ASL. Temps from 25° to 100+° F.
I just washed my rig today and applied 303 Aerospace UV Protectant to the jugs and did not notice any issues.
What am I doing wrong?
If you ask Rotopax they'd probably tell you that you just got lucky, since, according to their own website and support staff, their gas packs require venting every 24 hours, or the warranty is void.
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If you ask Rotopax they'd probably tell you that you just got lucky, since, according to their own website and support staff, their gas packs require venting every 24 hours, or the warranty is void.
I think I’ll just go ahead and finish voiding the warranty and install one of these vent caps in each of these jugs...
Call me irresponsible, impetuous or maybe even a tad foolish - but I don’t think I can do too much harm... Probably even make these jugs a little easier to use...
What do you think?
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I installed my dual Rotopax jugs on my tire carrier last summer. Water in one and 92 Non-Oxy with Stabil fuel stabilizer in the other. I have never once cracked either jug to vent pressure or vacuum. I have no bulging. I routinely go from my home at 1300’ ASL to 8000+’ ASL. Temps from 25° to 100+° F.
I just washed my rig today and applied 303 Aerospace UV Protectant to the jugs and did not notice any issues.
What am I doing wrong?
That's been pretty much my experience with the 2 gal cans. I fill them up prior to wheeling trips and usually within 3 to 4 weeks empty them into my tank (no venting). The only way I can tell they are "bulging" is that the locking screw on the mount becomes more difficult to break free when it gets hot.

As to what you are doing wrong. I would move them to the front seat and place them next to a bag of fireworks, then drive down the road smoking a cigar.
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I installed my dual Rotopax jugs on my tire carrier last summer. Water in one and 92 Non-Oxy with Stabil fuel stabilizer in the other. I have never once cracked either jug to vent pressure or vacuum. I have no bulging. I routinely go from my home at 1300’ ASL to 8000+’ ASL. Temps from 25° to 100+° F.

I just washed my rig today and applied 303 Aerospace UV Protectant to the jugs and did not notice any issues.

What am I doing wrong?
That spare tire cover for one...

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I think I’ll just go ahead and finish voiding the warranty and install one of these vent caps in each of these jugs...
Call me irresponsible, impetuous or maybe even a tad foolish - but I don’t think I can do too much harm... Probably even make these jugs a little easier to use...
Could be a great idea as that's part of the kit to eliminate the leaky safety nozzles on the 2.5 to 5 gallon plastic gas cans. If the vent fits the Rotopax then
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Okay - I find this thread interesting and hope that I don’t trigger anyone with my contribution...

I installed my dual Rotopax jugs on my tire carrier last summer. Water in one and 92 Non-Oxy with Stabil fuel stabilizer in the other. I have never once cracked either jug to vent pressure or vacuum. I have no bulging. I routinely go from my home at 1300’ ASL to 8000+’ ASL. Temps from 25° to 100+° F.
I just washed my rig today and applied 303 Aerospace UV Protectant to the jugs and did not notice any issues.
What am I doing wrong?
My guess is some one siphoned off your gas and your jug is empty. Better check
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Some people report bulging to the point where it breaks the seams of the container (the o.p.), and some report no bulging at all. I wonder if that has to do with the caps - either the caps for the people who don't experience bulging don't seal as well as the caps for those whose containers bulge, or perhaps the people whose containers don't bulge don't tighten their caps as much as those whose do bulge, therefore the caps that aren't as tight don't seal as well. Here's a quote from someone from another forum:

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Occasionally this has led to leaking of gas from the cap. My solution is to screw the cap on ridiculously tight. So tight that I carry a tool to remove the cap.
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I think I’ll just go ahead and finish voiding the warranty and install one of these vent caps in each of these jugs...
Call me irresponsible, impetuous or maybe even a tad foolish - but I don’t think I can do too much harm... Probably even make these jugs a little easier to use...
What do you think?
https://www.amazon.com/Yellow-Fuel-G...4VGF9NR08GMCPV
One caution about these - I use them in my white Rotopax which supply water to the sink of my Trail Kitchen, venting is required to get a good flow of water. They are a press-fit in a hole you drill in the container and they may not seal well enough to prevent leakage if the can is stored with the vent facing down. I've had water seepage when I stored the containers with the vent on the bottom. If you store the container with these vents facing up there's no problem, although they may vent fumes under pressure even when the vent is closed. Not a problem as long as you don't store the containers inside the vehicle with gas in them.

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Fuel Safety 101 Tip: Don't store any fuel or flammable gasses inside the cabin of a vehicle.
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Fuel Safety 101 Tip: Don't store any fuel or flammable gasses inside the cabin of a vehicle.
Ooo.... this is good to know!

But I don't think it really counts as a tip unless 14 other folks repeat it. C'mon Wrangler Forum... don't fail me now!!!
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Okay - I find this thread interesting and hope that I don’t trigger anyone with my contribution...

I installed my dual Rotopax jugs on my tire carrier last summer. Water in one and 92 Non-Oxy with Stabil fuel stabilizer in the other. I have never once cracked either jug to vent pressure or vacuum. I have no bulging. I routinely go from my home at 1300’ ASL to 8000+’ ASL. Temps from 25° to 100+° F.
I just washed my rig today and applied 303 Aerospace UV Protectant to the jugs and did not notice any issues.
What am I doing wrong?
Sounds like you got a defective product from Rotopax and need to send them back for warranty.
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Been Jeeping for over 50 years and never met an off-roader that carried gasoline in their cab.
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Because they are all extinct.
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Are Rotopax a special plastic?? I know regular plastic gas cans get brittle after a few years (especially if they are exposed to the sunlight).
I can’t see spending that kind of money on a can that has a life of 5 or 6 years. Hell I didn’t want to buy the cheap plastic ones after my first one got brittle so I no longer have a spare can.
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That spare tire cover for one...

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Come to AZ and let your spare bake under the sun here.....
I take goid care of my equipment and the cover is part of that plan...
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I carried 2x5gal Scepters in the back of a rental JK out of Moab on a trip into the Maze. Didn't have provisions to carry it any other way, other than some sort of rigging to the spare. In hindsight I could've bought a trasharoo and tossed them in there, but I didn't know about those at the time. Anyways, we had the cans secured pretty well with straps so they'd have a chance of not going flying in an accident, and we stored them outside the vehicle when we were out hiking. Certainly not something you'd want to do regularly, but it worked fine and it's not even in the conversation for most dangerous things I've ever done. Some of the climbing on that very trip was certainly much more likely to end in my doom.
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Are Rotopax a special plastic?? I know regular plastic gas cans get brittle after a few years (especially if they are exposed to the sunlight).
I can’t see spending that kind of money on a can that has a life of 5 or 6 years. Hell I didn’t want to buy the cheap plastic ones after my first one got brittle so I no longer have a spare can.
I won’t say that the plastic is any more special than most quality fuel jugs, but I will say that the Rotopax is substantially thicker than any others I have seen.
I use the 303 protectant on not only the jugs, but all the rubber, plastic and trim on my Jeep. Living in AZ and not garaged at all here, the sun is absolutely brutal....
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One caution about these - I use them in my white Rotopax which supply water to the sink of my Trail Kitchen, venting is required to get a good flow of water. They are a press-fit in a hole you drill in the container and they may not seal well enough to prevent leakage if the can is stored with the vent facing down. I've had water seepage when I stored the containers with the vent on the bottom. If you store the container with these vents facing up there's no problem, although they may vent fumes under pressure even when the vent is closed. Not a problem as long as you don't store the containers inside the vehicle with gas in them.

Yep - I’ve used these vent kits on a number of jugs in the past and just had not gotten around to putting them in the Rotopax. I hand ream the holes with a step drill to get a clean final cut. They seal up pretty well that way..

My $.02 worth —
Frankly, the ventless nozzles that are packaged with today’s fuel jugs are a heckuvalot more dangerous than the old style. Everytime I’ve tried to use them, they dribble, leak, stop working due to lack of venting. Install the vent and most of those issues go away.

Oh and I also never carry fuel inside the rig. Water yes - when I have the room I have a 5 gallon jug that goes with us out in the desert...
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I switched mine out the the normal spouts pretty quickly. Think I bought them on eBay. Never had an issue with those dripping or gushing without a vent.

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Come to AZ and let your spare bake under the sun here.....

I take goid care of my equipment and the cover is part of that plan...

.....or.....

Do I need the smiley faced cover with the red-white-blue bandana?
You mean like Southern Utah? The Arizona border is 5 minutes from my house.

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I switched mine out the the normal spouts pretty quickly. Think I bought them on eBay. Never had an issue with those dripping or gushing without a vent.

https://rotopax.com/conventional-spout-se.html


I would NEVER use these for gas cans. They are manufactured for their water cans only (sarcasm intentional)
I complained to them about the ridiculous Sceptre nozzles provided with their cans, breaking and leaking. They are not RotoPax manufactured nozzles.
I asked for new spouts and instead somebody was kind enough to send me 7 of the water spouts for free. They work awesome. Just like the good old days before the government decided I couldn’t take care of my own safety.

Now if they would just re-manufacture Jerry cans without the rounded bottoms that don’t fit my bumper holders.


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