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Old 12-28-2015, 08:06 PM
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I got a question about the hardrock Rails. I can get a set for $200. I like them And how low profile they are. I am currently running the Smittybilt Rails on my JKU. I am wondering how well made the HardRock Rails are compared to the smittys

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I have them on my 2015 HR. I had to trim the rear ends to avoid ice/snow/mud/rock issues with my 35s. Tire clearance, itself, isn't an issue. I cut them so they're flush with the front of the rear wheel well. About 1.5".

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I have them on my 2015 HR. I had to trim the rear ends to avoid ice/snow/mud/rock issues with my 35s. Tire clearance, itself, isn't an issue. I cut them so they're flush with the front of the rear wheel well. About 1.5".
What about durability. If I bounce them off a Rock how well would they hold up. I've had mine I got now on some and haven't had them bend or dent. They are scrapped up a little.
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To be honest, I don't know. I haven't slammed them into rocks yet, though I've driven over some pretty decent "boulders." They seem quite stout and well-mounted. In theory, I can't see an aftermarket set being any better suited to the task. I think the mounting system is most important.
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To be honest, I don't know. I haven't slammed them into rocks yet, though I've driven over some pretty decent "boulders." They seem quite stout and well-mounted. In theory, I can't see an aftermarket set being any better suited to the task. I think the mounting system is most important.
How do they mount, mine are body mounted. Do they mount just like the older rubi Rails or do they use the body mounts as well
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also you should be able to get some cheaper than 200$ ask around the fourms or search craigslist some more
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also you should be able to get some cheaper than 200$ ask around the fourms or search craigslist some more
Cheaper than $200 for the hard Rock ones. I thought that was a good price for them
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Cheaper than $200 for the hard Rock ones. I thought that was a good price for them
I thought the same thing but heck if I can find them cheaper that would be great. These are the ones I'm talking about





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I replaced the standard Rubicon rock rails when I had my 2012 JKUR with a set of these:

1. They both are equally sturdy
2. The HR ones weigh twice as much
3. I didn't find the added tubes particularly useful as a step; they are too narrow

At the time I paid the dealership about $450 for them.
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i think 200 is what they are sell for
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Cheaper than $200 for the hard Rock ones. I thought that was a good price for them
That is a good price for technically "AEV" sliders, I seen those go for a lot more here in the SoCal classifieds
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That is a good price for technically "AEV" sliders, I seen those go for a lot more here in the SoCal classifieds
My thoughts exactly. If he doesn't get them I'd like to know where there at for that price.
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Not a clue on durability, haven't had my RHR off-road yet

If you like using these as steps to get in the jeep as stated they are to narrow to do that, at least they are for me.

Due to how narrow/compact they are one would think they would be very sturdy.
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I got a question about the hardrock Rails. I can get a set for $200. I like them And how low profile they are. I am currently running the Smittybilt Rails on my JKU. I am wondering how well made the HardRock Rails are compared to the smittys

This is what I have now

Can You tell me which smittys you have exactly? I have yet to see some of those with that rail on the underneath to give it a "triangle" look. Cant really seem to find them!


Edit: Nevermind, Smitty Site had them!
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I have them on my 2015 HR. I had to trim the rear ends to avoid ice/snow/mud/rock issues with my 35s. Tire clearance, itself, isn't an issue. I cut them so they're flush with the front of the rear wheel well. About 1.5".
Was the cut difficult? How does it look cut? On the end I mean, clean?
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The HR Rock rails are not attached via body mounts, they mount exactly the same as non HR rubicon rock rails.
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HR Rubi rail is the same as standard Rubi rail with the tube welded to them. The are very strong. The will handle off road much better than the Smittybilt. They weigh quite a bit more than the Smittybilts too. Before and after HR Rubi rails
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HR Rubi rail is the same as standard Rubi rail with the tube welded to them. The are very strong. The will handle off road much better than the Smittybilt. They weigh quite a bit more than the Smittybilts too.
They weigh 6 more pounds a pc. I would not say that is quite a bit more. I do like them, but I had some concerns after actually feeling them and comparing them to my smittys last night. For one the tubing feels like its softer and its not as big as the smittys. My concern is if it will bend the first time you bang a Rock. My smittys have held up well and do not bend
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They weigh 6 more pounds a pc. I would not say that is quite a bit more. I do like them, but I had some concerns after actually feeling them and comparing them to my smittys last night. For one the tubing feels like its softer and its not as big as the smittys. My concern is if it will bend the first time you bang a Rock. My smittys have held up well and do not bend
I have no direct experience, but I don't see how they would bend even hitting a rock with direct impact. My .02.
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They weigh 6 more pounds a pc. I would not say that is quite a bit more. I do like them, but I had some concerns after actually feeling them and comparing them to my smittys last night. For one the tubing feels like its softer and its not as big as the smittys. My concern is if it will bend the first time you bang a Rock. My smittys have held up well and do not bend
After looking at those pictures side by side I'd stick with the smittys. Those smittys will offer more protection than those hardrocks will. Even though they sit higher than the smittys, I like the smittys better after looking at that photo. Just saying its up to you on what you like, but if you want protection the smittys are body mounted, which means they are going to take a hit better than the seam mounted hardrocks, and the smittys just look beefier
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Just looking at the pics, there's better ground clearance with the HRs so you won't be scrapping so much. Smittys do hang lower....
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Just looking at the pics, there's better ground clearance with the HRs so you won't be scrapping so much. Smittys do hang lower....
That's the main reason I have been looking at them for the more clearance. They looked stout but when I actually touched them they just did not feel as solid as the smittys. Almost more hollow than the smittys. Maybe it's just me, I do like the look better, but I'm still on the fence about the durability of them. Not so much the actual rail, but the tubing.
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After looking at those pictures side by side I'd stick with the smittys. Those smittys will offer more protection than those hardrocks will. Even though they sit higher than the smittys, I like the smittys better after looking at that photo. Just saying its up to you on what you like, but if you want protection the smittys are body mounted, which means they are going to take a hit better than the seam mounted hardrocks, and the smittys just look beefier
I had the Smiitys on my 2010 and currently have the HR Rails on my 2014. I have wheeled black and a few red trails here in New England and can tell you first hand my Smitty rails wouldn't have held up to the abuse the HR rails have. Other than a few scratches in the coating there is no other damage to the rails or the Jeep.



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I have some enhanced rubi rails(not HR brand) and sometimes I don't like them. Not big enough to step on and gets my leg wet or muddy when getting in the jeep. The only reason I keep them on is to prevent door dings at work(lame I know). I've been in a few situations offroad, that if they hung lower, I'd be hanging up on a rock. There's been too many arguments about body mounted vs tub mounted so won't get into that. lol I have a coworker that has the smittys and I prefer mine because of the clearance issue.
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Couple of observations on the HR Rails.

1. You had mentioned there was only 6 pounds difference...I did not weigh them but it sure seemed like the HR Rails weighed a lot more than 6 pounds more than the Smittybilts.
2. The tubes are far more solid than the Smittybilt tubes yet smaller in diameter. I have seen Smittybilt tubes bend under weight where I have rested my Jeep on the Rubi Rails with no issues.
3. I wish the HR Rubi Rails had a bigger step. If I had to do it again, perhaps I would have gone with standard Rubi Rails and added the ACE sliders for the better step. I do prefer the look of the HR Rubi Rail so I doubt I will change it out.
4. $200.00 for HR Rubi Rails is an awesome price. I think I paid $350.00 for mine (used but from a low miles HR). Rubi Rails may be stock rails...but probably the best quality rock rail out there...plus if you wanted frame mount to enhance it you could just add ACE sliders to it and really beef it up. I have never had a problem with HR Rails failing or even getting scuffed up for that matter. They are nearly bullet proof.
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Couple of observations on the HR Rails.

1. You had mentioned there was only 6 pounds difference...I did not weigh them but it sure seemed like the HR Rails weighed a lot more than 6 pounds more than the Smittybilts.
2. The tubes are far more solid than the Smittybilt tubes yet smaller in diameter. I have seen Smittybilt tubes bend under weight where I have rested my Jeep on the Rubi Rails with no issues.
3. I wish the HR Rubi Rails had a bigger step. If I had to do it again, perhaps I would have gone with standard Rubi Rails and added the ACE sliders for the better step. I do prefer the look of the HR Rubi Rail so I doubt I will change it out.
4. $200.00 for HR Rubi Rails is an awesome price. I think I paid $350.00 for mine (used but from a low miles HR). Rubi Rails may be stock rails...but probably the best quality rock rail out there...plus if you wanted frame mount to enhance it you could just add ACE sliders to it and really beef it up. I have never had a problem with HR Rails failing or even getting scuffed up for that matter. They are nearly bullet proof.
Hardrocks are 106lbs together and the smittys are 94lbs together. I think I'm probably going to pull the trigger on them. I really like how they look. It has enough of a step for me.

It don't hurt they are a dealer take off either. They have 50 miles on them I think.
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Hardrocks are 106lbs together and the smittys are 94lbs together. I think I'm probably going to pull the trigger on them. I really like how they look. It has enough of a step for me.

It don't hurt they are a dealer take off either. They have 50 miles on them I think.
Sweet...you will love them. Make sure you get the hardware too. There three mount points to each rail. Each mount point has 2 nuts and 1 bolt...2 are 10mm nuts and the middle bolt is 13mm. The rails hide the pinch seam and give you a nice foot rest when the doors are off. I am thinking about making a platform where the drivers side foot goes just to give a little more of a foot rest. Not sure how I will pull that off yet.
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Sweet...you will love them. Make sure you get the hardware too. There three mount points to each rail. Each mount point has 2 nuts and 1 bolt...2 are 10mm nuts and the middle bolt is 13mm. The rails hide the pinch seam and give you a nice foot rest when the doors are off. I am thinking about making a platform where the drivers side foot goes just to give a little more of a foot rest. Not sure how I will pull that off yet.
I used to have the older style rubi Rails so I am assuming they mount the same way as them. Also they said I'll need to purchase hardware. Does anyone know what size bolts and screws I'll need. I called the stealership and there is no way I'm paying almost $100 for screws and bolts. Any help on that would be appreciated.
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I used to have the older style rubi Rails so I am assuming they mount the same way as them. Also they said I'll need to purchase hardware. Does anyone know what size bolts and screws I'll need. I called the stealership and there is no way I'm paying almost $100 for screws and bolts. Any help on that would be appreciated.
Might want to check the grade of those bolts as well, not just the sizes.

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