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Old 08-04-2018, 12:38 PM   #61
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Maybe calling them would have been a better solution.. just saying.

Mine have been on well over two years .. YMMV
calling them instead of throwing them away?

or calling them instead of giving my honest opinion on a thread where someone is asking about opinions or experiences with different types?

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Old 08-04-2018, 03:58 PM   #62
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calling them instead of throwing them away?

or calling them instead of giving my honest opinion on a thread where someone is asking about opinions or experiences with different types?
What do you think I meant?

Because if it's the second part of what you posted then that would explain tossing them like you did

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Old 08-04-2018, 04:47 PM   #63
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What do you think I meant?

Because if it's the second part of what you posted then that would explain tossing them like you did
I have no idea what you meant. I wouldn't have wasted time to ask you if I knew what you meant.

At the end of the day, in my opinion, the hotheads are an overpriced product with a very poor attachment method provided for the product. Maybe the other head liners use the same method to attach to the roof - I don't know. I haven't tried any others and I'm running without a head liner now and couldn't be happier.
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Old 08-05-2018, 06:49 PM   #64
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I have no idea what you meant. I wouldn't have wasted time to ask you if I knew what you meant.

At the end of the day, in my opinion, the hotheads are an overpriced product with a very poor attachment method provided for the product. Maybe the other head liners use the same method to attach to the roof - I don't know. I haven't tried any others and I'm running without a head liner now and couldn't be happier.
I feel bad for you then.. if you think that me saying "Maybe you should have called the company before throwing them away" somehow meant "You shouldn't post honest reviews online" then I'm not sure I can help you.

So you say the HH parts use "a very poor attachment method" and then you say you don't know how other products attach? lol.. ok..

Your parts came loose.. many others haven't.. so you had a problem.. every company has problems (the concept of a warranty).. what separates companies is how they handle those problems. Since you tossed the product we don't know how HH would have tried (or not) to help.

I like my HH parts.. I thought the Mopar ones looked like floor mats (also double sided taped to the roof) and the Boommat ones look like foam stock to the roof.. but that's just my .02 and preference.

So, just so you're clear, I only suggest that calling them about your issue would have been a smart move. I no way can I see how I suggested you not post your experience

Clear now..

So, let's drop it and stop polluting the thread with our back and forth.
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I asked a question because I wasn't clear what you meant. No need to be a jackass.
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3m VHB tape is serious stuff that doesn’t come undone. Either your prep was wrong or you got a defective product. Did you acetone after sanding? Dust will kill an adhesive bond. Why throw them away and not resolve with hot heads?
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I asked a question because I wasn't clear what you meant. No need to be a jackass.
I thought we were dropping it as a misunderstanding? I guess you can't

And we will agree to disagree on who is being the jackass
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Old 08-07-2018, 06:42 AM   #68
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We had Hot Heads in our 2012 JK, they were OK, but we also had issues with the liners eventually coming loose and having issues getting them to stick permanently. I feel part of the issue is the weight of the particle board used as the backing in hots heads adds extra weight and can exasperate the adhesion issue. Foe our new Rubicon after reading this thread and really taking a close look at the product specs we choose the Mopar solution. It was half the price and being made of foam backed carpet vs a fiber board with cloth attached I felt it may be better at sound reduction, and based on our experience it is, the inside of the JK with the Mopar seems much deader from a sound perspective than the hot heads JK. Not sure about heat insulation we live in Wisconsin, heat not as much as cold being the issue here, will need to wait for winter.


I can clearly tell you that installing the Mopar was much easier than the Hot Heads, and due to the Mopar's lighter weight and more flexible backing material I expect much fewer issues with adhesion to the Freedom Top.


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HH has a pretty loyal following. I get that, from the sounds of things their owner is a class dude and you are supporting a made in USA product. That may be all the reason enough to get them and I don't fault anyone going that route.

That said, you do pay double for that and some of us have so many other mods planned that you save where you can. I just think since there is no actual data out there to support one brand of the other, just go with whatever makes you happy (cost, looks, brand loyalty etc).
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I purchased HHs a few years back, and had an issue with them to where they had to be returned. The owner was a royal d***, which completely put me off the product. From what I gather, that doesn't seem to be the usual, so maybe he was just having an off day. Still left a bad taste.

I'm looking at headliners for my new Jeep and am definitely considering the Mopar and HH options. The HH definitely look better, although I haven't seen the Mopar in person, but at the much higher cost I'm not sure if they are THAT much better.
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I thought we were dropping it as a misunderstanding? I guess you can't

And we will agree to disagree on who is being the jackass
we'll have to because there's not really a doubt.
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we'll have to because there's not really a doubt.
Glad we agree on something
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I purchased HHs a few years back, and had an issue with them to where they had to be returned. The owner was a royal d***, which completely put me off the product. From what I gather, that doesn't seem to be the usual, so maybe he was just having an off day. Still left a bad taste.

I'm looking at headliners for my new Jeep and am definitely considering the Mopar and HH options. The HH definitely look better, although I haven't seen the Mopar in person, but at the much higher cost I'm not sure if they are THAT much better.
That's what sold me on the Mopar ones was cost. They do look nice once you install them, though yes, they are a floor mat material. The edges have a nice roped finish to them. After the first couple days, I don't look at the ceiling at all, so for the cost savings, I am ok with the look. Nobody else sees your interior (vs all our exterior mods which have function, but also going for "cool" factor), so go with makes you personally happier. If I knew one brand or the other was proven to reduce heat or sound significantly, I would have gone that route despite costs.
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I just shove a few towels between the hardtop and my spyderweb shade. Seems to work well. Plus I always have a few extra towels for a dirty dog.
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I have the Jtops top insulation and hothead side insulation. I'm 6'4. I could feel the heat radiating onto my head during our great AZ summers. I installed everything with the top removed hanging on my hoist. Insulation does make a difference. I have not noticed a sound difference.
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Just got back from traveling in 108-109* temps the mopar headliners definitely proved to work great.
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I just installed Mopar headliners on my 4-door Recon. They are easy to install and fit like a glove.

To me the greatest benefit of headliners is that they significantly reduce sound from bouncing inside the cabin.

Found them on Amazon for $200.

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