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Old 12-02-2019, 12:33 AM
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Help! Lockers in 4Hi/2WD, Sway bar at will, Traction control actually off??? HOW?!

Is there any flash program or method of reprogramming that will let me run my jeep how I want? Features I need:

Lockers whenever I want. At whatever speed. In any drive configuration (2WD, 4HI, etc)

Turning the traction control off as I wish, completely. I don't mind keeping ABS but the rest I want to be able to switch off.

Sway disconnect whenever I want, reconnect whenever I want.

How the heck do I accomplish this?

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I guess I should add 2015 JKUR, automatic, factory lockers/axles.
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If your not too afraid of running some wires and installing switches, there are YouTube hacks for the lockers and traction control. I did both, but after 2 years never used the lockers in anything but 4l, so the switches were repurposed for lights.
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Is there any flash program or method of reprogramming that will let me run my jeep how I want? Features I need:

Lockers whenever I want. At whatever speed. In any drive configuration (2WD, 4HI, etc)

Turning the traction control off as I wish, completely. I don't mind keeping ABS but the rest I want to be able to switch off.

Sway disconnect whenever I want, reconnect whenever I want.

How the heck do I accomplish this?
You can manually set it up as Dr said above.... But I'll be that guy, why? Lockers cause you serious lack of steering control and are absolutely dangerous at speed above crawling in low traction situations. Also, you would destroy them on the road.
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I would recommend doing the traction control/ABS switch mod - It’s very easy. Once I was having a wheel speed sensor issue and I was in some mud and snow and it really f’d me up. - cut off the power and I was getting bogged down. After that I immediately install the switch.
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You can manually set it up as Dr said above.... But I'll be that guy, why? Lockers cause you serious lack of steering control and are absolutely dangerous at speed above crawling in low traction situations. Also, you would destroy them on the road.
Rear locker is useful when running in 2WD as well as 4HI in snow, sand, and mud.
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Rear locker is useful when running in 2WD as well as 4HI in snow, sand, and mud.
You're absolutely right. I'm amazed at how many supposed off-roaders don't understand this. But anyway, inside the back side of the console you will find an inertia switch. Install a switch in the purple wire with a blue tracer. When switched it kills all nanny systems. Yes the dash lights up like a Christmas tree but it doesn't matter. Flip the switch again and shut down the Jeep and restart and everything goes back to factory normal. As for the lockers you merely add a switch to ground them to complete the lock circuit. Personally I used 2 switches and 2 relays to accomplish this and I use it all the time. It's so much simpler and more convenient than the factory switch. If you google "jk locker bypass schematic" you will see how easy it is or I'll have to get on my other computer a bit later to give you a schematic. Without a doubt is is the best mod you can do to a Rubi.
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Rear locker is useful when running in 2WD as well as 4HI in snow, sand, and mud.
Useful? Probably agree with you there. Necessary? Just haven't ever found it necessary.

I find proper tires much more effective in those conditions. This Rubi stuck when locked F&R with stock tires... I went through in 4hi unlocked on 35's without difficulty. But there is good info above on how to achieve your goals.

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While lockers are good stuff, on slick surfaces using excess throttle your Jeep will head for the low side of the trail. Could be into a bank or over the edge depending on the super.
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bad enough we have nanny jeep , no need to have nanny forum

as for the OP. definitely do it yourself as mentioned above, quite painless and perfectly effective. then some real fun can happen, almost as good as my old arb'd TJ
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The E Lockers are not designed to run at high speed so be mindful that if you do run them in 4Hi or 2Hi not to run the too high of speed for too long.
I use the Superchips TrailCal the use the lockers in 4Hi or 2Hi.


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The E Lockers are not designed to run at high speed so be mindful that if you do run them in 4Hi or 2Hi not to run the too high of speed for too long.
I use the Superchips TrailCal the use the lockers in 4Hi or 2Hi.


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Do they unlock above the factory set speed??

I might end up going the bypass switch route, but I find it hard to believe this can not be addressed with a tuner? Frustrating that Jeep takes this path.
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Do they unlock above the factory set speed??

I might end up going the bypass switch route, but I find it hard to believe this can not be addressed with a tuner? Frustrating that Jeep takes this path.
The lockers can be locked in 4Hi with the Superchips tuners, but you need to keep it plugged it to the OBDII port. The Traction Control can be completely shut off with HP Tuners. Honestly hardwiring a bypass is the best bet and you get better control with the resulting switches over using the tuners. I have done both mods and they are really helpful in the sand dunes.
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Jscan allows you to control the lockers from your phone with an app in all modes for about $60 (need to buy the license and a Bluetooth OBII reader). For me it was the easiest solution since there is nothing to cut, splice or modify. Simply touch the screen of your phone and you are locked. Additionally it will allow you to do the sway bar when ever you want. I am not sure about the traction control because I never to look but I thought there was a switch that turned the traction control off on the dash.
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Do they unlock above the factory set speed??

I might end up going the bypass switch route, but I find it hard to believe this can not be addressed with a tuner? Frustrating that Jeep takes this path.
At what speed they attempt to unlock stock is not reported in the manual. Stock you can only use them in 4lo and the caution is to never exceed 25 mph. I can tell you that with my TD2 35 mph is the limit but if you are under power they will not disengage until you come off the throttle. Also to engage the lockers you should be under 10 mph.


I think I actually prefer the TD2 solution over hacking the wiring. Mainly because you get everything you need to re-calibrate gears and tires, tunes, all the gauges and of course being able to lock the axles/sway bar in any mode. Sway bars though have an 18 mph limitation.


As far as TCS/ESC I find it is not that intrusive. I am past the stage where doing donuts is fun. Once the pavement ends I am usually in 4hi or lo and much of that time with the lockers engaged. I have no problem with 4 wheel drifts at all and unless I get it really out of shape those system never interfere.

Whatever you do just make sure you document fully so if you ever sell the rig the person after you knows what you have done. It suck to buy a vehicle that has been hacked up and you have no clue what they did.
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I might end up going the bypass switch route, but I find it hard to believe this can not be addressed with a tuner? Frustrating that Jeep takes this path.

Do you do much wheeling? You don’t want to be trying to scroll through menus on a tuner in the field switching front and rear lockers. Physical switchs are the only way to go. Save the phone for phone calls.
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Do you do much wheeling? You don’t want to be trying to scroll through menus on a tuner in the field switching between front and rear lockers. Switchs are the only way to go.
Not something you do with the TD2. Put it on the Rubicon screen and everything is right in front of you. Maybe not as easy as switches but that all depends on location. I can hit the inputs of the TD2 with my hands on the steering wheel.
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Not something you do with the TD2. Put it on the Rubicon screen and everything is right in front of you. Maybe not as easy as switches but that all depends on location. I can hit the inputs of the TD2 with my hands on the steering wheel.

Great, for $500 you can do what cost me $20 in switches and wire. I’m impressed. And the switch reliability is orders of magnitude greater. Nothing wrong with your TD2, just overkill.
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Do they unlock above the factory set speed??



I might end up going the bypass switch route, but I find it hard to believe this can not be addressed with a tuner? Frustrating that Jeep takes this path.
I did the switch bypass method. Another great mod done to the Jeep. Easy install. Just gotta cut the correct purple wire.

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Not something you do with the TD2. Put it on the Rubicon screen and everything is right in front of you. Maybe not as easy as switches but that all depends on location. I can hit the inputs of the TD2 with my hands on the steering wheel.

Problem is the TD2 is expensive

For 15 bucks you can do the manual bypass and have total control over your lockers... even more so than the TD2 can give.


I think if I was going to go the electronics route though, I would probably do Jscan as opposed to flashcal... traildash... etc. It's cheaper and fast becoming one of the more powerful and versatile tuners/programming apps on the market. Granted it's an app and not a complete device. You do need a phone or an android head unit, but who doesn't carry a phone these days.
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You're not going to find a more convenient setup than this. I don't need to depend on any electronic crap to get the job done. After all, the whole idea of this mod is to eliminate electronic intrusion. The safety switch takes a lot of government out from behind the wheel. The locker switches couldn't be handier. Sorry, didn't take the time to resize the pic so it's a sideways shot of the drivers A-pillar.
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Agreed, for something as important as lockers whose incorrect function could kill me, I wouldn’t depend on a phone to work properly 100% of the time. Nobody’s app ever crashes, right? Now we’ve taken a fairly complicated electronic control system and replaced it with something far more complicated. - Let common sense prevail here.

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Problem is the TD2 is expensive

For 15 bucks you can do the manual bypass and have total control over your lockers... even more so than the TD2 can give.


I think if I was going to go the electronics route though, I would probably do Jscan as opposed to flashcal... traildash... etc. It's cheaper and fast becoming one of the more powerful and versatile tuners/programming apps on the market. Granted it's an app and not a complete device. You do need a phone or an android head unit, but who doesn't carry a phone these days.
The TD2 is expensive and the only way it even make sense to get one is if you have a Rubicon as that is the only vehicle that can use everything it has to offer. Also at the time I bought mine it was about the only thing out there that combined tuning, real time monitoring of vehicle parameters, diagnostics, engine idle, programming TPMS, gears and tires, remapping throttle response as well as providing better control over the sway bar and lockers.

Does it provide the same level of control as hacking the system, no but then again I am not hacking the system nor have i found a need to exceed the parameters that are provided by the TD2. The reality is the ability to control the lockers and sway bars is a very small piece of the TD2. And while I like the concept of Jscan apps are always at the whim of the OS updates and the developer.
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Also at the time I bought mine it was about the only thing out there that combined tuning, real time monitoring of vehicle parameters, diagnostics, engine idle, programming TPMS, gears and tires, remapping throttle response as well as providing better control over the sway bar and lockers.
Terry, your just a gadget guy, and we all love Jeep gadgets.
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Terry, your just a gadget guy, and we all love Jeep gadgets.
Well yes but I did really want a way to monitor everything and at the time that was the only option and it may have been my second mod after dual batteries. There are more options today and when I go to tons one day I'll have ARB lockers.
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Well yes but I did really want a way to monitor everything and at the time that was the only option and it may have been my second mod after dual batteries. There are more options today and when I go to tons one day I'll have ARB lockers.
I have PR60s but I opted for the Eatons due to simplicity. They have been working out very well for my needs. I have a dedicated voltage and current panel display mounted in the dash to verify the lockers are activated.
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I didn't consider the tuner had to remain in place, I was thinking of it more like a PCM flash (or canbus modification, or whatever...) that would just make the various buttons (sway/lockers/traction control) operate more traditionally. You guys are right though, just wiring that stuff to a normal switch panel is indeed a better way to go.

For the record - it's super frustrating Jeep puts all this shit in the way of you using your vehicle how you please. I can think of a dozen scenarios where I'd want real control of my lockers and traction control. It seems they have low confidence in their lockers/axles/customers. Blah!

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....For the record - it's super frustrating Jeep puts all this shit in the way of you using your vehicle how you please. I can think of a dozen scenarios where I'd want real control of my lockers and traction control. It seems they have low confidence in their lockers/axles/customers. Blah!.......
Well you can blame our sue happy culture. How many people do you think understand part time 4wd, lockers, sway bars etc. How many people do we have come here because they don't know how to operate this stuff or when to use it.

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