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Old 05-10-2017, 10:38 AM
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Help me choose a wimpy, smooth-running AT that looks like a big, beefy, manly Swamper

Wow, I exactly used all the spaces allowed for a title!

Okay, I now have a set of trail-specific 37s that are everything a boy could dream of for off-road. So my next set of road tires (to replace KM2s) don't need to be particularly off-road capable. In fact, I'm ready for something that's a bit quieter than the KMs and KM2s I've had since I bought the JK.

Another consideration is weight cuz I have a heavy-ish 17" wheel -- I'd like to stay at or under 70# for a 35x12.5x17. Nitto Terra Grapplers and Toyo Open Country's claim to be 69.5 and 70# each, for reference.

Finally, even though I don't need big shoulders and chunky blocks (and in fact, big voids are what make MTs loud from what I understand), I also care about what the tire looks like -- between two tires that perform about the same noise-wise, I'd prefer the more aggressive one (gee, a really novel desire, right?) But not at the expense of noise -- I'd just get another MT if noise didn't matter.

I'd also like to get my full 35" worth, or as close as can be. I currently have KM2 285/75s that measured 33.25 mounted on the Jeep when new, and a friend's KM2 in 35x12.5x17 bought the same week measured 33.5 on his TJ, sitting beside mine. So I don't want a 35 that is only 1/4" taller than a 285/75. The Nittos claim 34.53 inflated, the Toyos claim 34.5 inflated.

Here are the wheels they'll be mounted on, only these are 16s and I also have a set in 17" now.



Anybody have recommendations? I took the liberty of bolding the salient points so you can review without having to read all the prose.

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I just received a set of 35x12.50x17 Toyo Open Country AT II Extreme tires for my Jeep, I just havent gotten them installed yet.

According to Toyo, they are 34.5" tall. I can't recall exactly, but I dont think there is a 35" tire that ACTUALLY measures 35"

And in my opinion, the Open Country AT II looks pretty beefy while being an All Terrain.


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I currently have a set of KO2's in 34x10.5 and a set of MT MTZ's in 315/70.
When these are done I'll be going to:
Baja ATZ P3 – Mickey Thompson Tires & Wheels
34.6" and 65lbs
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I currently have a set of KO2's in 34x10.5 and a set of MT MTZ's in 315/70.
When these are done I'll be going to:
Baja ATZ P3 – Mickey Thompson Tires & Wheels
34.6" and 65lbs
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Yeah, that looks good on paper. Since you haven't tried them yet, anybody else have them and able to comment on noise? By being a "hybrid" that's positioned between AT and MT, I suspect the AT version would be quietier (but not as beefy looking.) But I like the look and the weight, that's for sure.
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I just received a set of 35x12.50x17 Toyo Open Country AT II Extreme tires for my Jeep, I just havent gotten them installed yet.

According to Toyo, they are 34.5" tall. I can't recall exactly, but I dont think there is a 35" tire that ACTUALLY measures 35"

And in my opinion, the Open Country AT II looks pretty beefy while being an All Terrain.

Toyos are definitely on the short list. Wish you had them installed so you could give me a confirmation on that inflated height, as well as an "actual on-the-Jeep" height.
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If they had Anvil I'd be all over it...
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KO2 in my opinion, but a Toyo AT2 with the XT tread is also a great choice. Ridge Grapplers if you do want a tad bit more looks. Reviews have been great with them saying they are very quiet for a hybrid.
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I had the Toyo ATIIs on my Power Wagon ----- they really do well on the road, in snow, and are quiet. They're a few hairs behind the Cooper ST-Maxx offroad or I'd be running them now on the JK.
I had the 285/75-17 Extreems so I can't tell you how they measure in a 35". Mine were a smidge under 34".
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Thanks Pedro -- From what I've read on here multiple times I'd have to buy a 37 to get a 35 in KO2 -- has your experience been different? I know with BFGs it seems to be size specific. My KM2s in 285/75-17 (33.83" nominal) actually measured that when I received them, and only shrunk to 33.25 on the Jeep. But like I said, the same tire in 35x12.5x17 measured 33.5 mounted when new. Aren't some people finding the 34x10 KO2s to be 32-ish inches?

Anyway, thanks for the nod. If the KO wasn't so pricey and small, that would be my leaning, as I've liked my BFGs so far.
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Just sound proof the interior. I have almost no tire noise now but where my exhaust was pretty quite before it is now loud. Dammit
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Just sound proof the interior. I have almost no tire noise now but where my exhaust was pretty quite before it is now loud. Dammit
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Well ... Duratracs run small so those are probably out..

The Mickey Thompson Baja ATP3s claim 34.6" on their 315/70R17 and 65lbs.



They get very good reviews wrt ride but aren't as aggressive looking as you might want.
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Aren't some people finding the 34x10 KO2s to be 32-ish inches?
My 34 KO2s measure 32.25" on the ground.
My 315/70 MTZ's measure 33.5" on the ground, with half their tread gone(bought them used)
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Well ... Duratracs run small so those are probably out..

The Mickey Thompson Baja ATP3s claim 34.6" on their 315/70R17 and 65lbs.



They get very good reviews wrt ride but aren't as aggressive looking as you might want.
Those actually look fine to me. They have a little tread on the sidewall which helps them not look like this:



EDIT: Just looked up pricing at DTD and they're right at $300, so not cheap, not expensive for the size. Also, they are ATZ P3, for anyone searching, not ATP3.

Anybody actually running this tire?

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Thanks Pedro -- From what I've read on here multiple times I'd have to buy a 37 to get a 35 in KO2 -- has your experience been different? I know with BFGs it seems to be size specific. My KM2s in 285/75-17 (33.83" nominal) actually measured that when I received them, and only shrunk to 33.25 on the Jeep. But like I said, the same tire in 35x12.5x17 measured 33.5 mounted when new. Aren't some people finding the 34x10 KO2s to be 32-ish inches?

Anyway, thanks for the nod. If the KO wasn't so pricey and small, that would be my leaning, as I've liked my BFGs so far.
I had the old version on my WJ when I sold it in a 315/70r17 and they were a 34" unmounted at about 1/2 tread from what I remember (a bit taller than my 295/70 Nitto Trails they replaced which were at 33.75"). BFG claims the KO2 in a 35/12.5r17 to be @34.5", a 315/17r17 at 34.4", and the 34/10.5 is 33.5". My brother is running 285/70 KO2s on his TJ and they were just under a 33" when new, so pretty true. I've also read on here the BFGs run small, but they are such a good tire in my experience (even the previous gen) that fractions of an inch aren't important really to me. Any tire is going to be smaller when mounted, so whether it measures at 33.85 or 34.15 isn't a deal breaker for me to run a better tire on a DD.

The only reason I went with my current 285/70 Nitto Terra Grappler is because 1) I wanted to try something new 2) they were lighter than the BFG and I have 3.21s 3) I got a craigslist deal on a very lightly used set. WIth that said, my Nittos have been good so far as a road tire in rain, dry, snow, etc. Just a little tame for my taste and not that great for the little offroad ive done. I drive a lot for work, so I'll keep them for now.
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I ran the Toyo AT II's for two years on one of my rigs (Toyota FJ) and the on-road manners and lack of treadwear was amazing.
They perform great in midwest winter ice and snow. I even blazed through a couple mud roads druing hunting season and was more than happy with them.
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And my standard answer to all things tire related, the Cooper ST-Maxx

This is the 255/80-17 next to my stock tire when I first got them:

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Also, they are ATZ P3, for anyone searching, not ATP3.
Apologies for that ... shouldn't type without my third coffee in me.

There was a pretty massive thread on these tires a while back. Seem very favorable.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f27/mic...w-1047617.html

I would have gone that way myself but we do a fair bit of winter driving over the mountain passes and the Duratracs are rated better in the snow. (actually have the little mountain/snowflake symbol required in some areas as "traction tires")
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I'm about 8k miles into a set of 35 12'50 Ridge grapplers and couldn't be more impressed with them. I love the look and they are almost stock quiet. Pretty much perfect if you don't need mud tires.
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4 LT315/70/17 BFG AT KO2s can be had at 4WD.com for about 180 each after discounts. Load Range C is the only ones at that price though.
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Remember that the the Mickey Thompson is made by Cooper anyhow...
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Nitto Ridge Grappler... Close thread.

Been through lots of tires. I have the S/T Maxx on my 4dr, great tire. My daughter has the Ridge Grapplers and they are my new favorite. Deadly silent and massive traction.

I do also like the KO2's and with the UNBELIEVABLE sale on those in 315/70-17 C Rated at 4WP right now, how can you say no?
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None of the large brand name 35" AT tires is going to be more than 34" inflated, regardless of what the manufacturer states(or what people on WF say ). GY, BFG are small, Cooper, Toyo and Nitto are not as small, my Toyo ATII 34" Extremes are exactly 33" mounted and GPS verified. So if you want 35 full mounted inches you will need to get a 37".
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Remember that the the Mickey Thompson is made by Cooper anyhow...
That's a lie straight from the pit of hell. Here's a picture of Mickey hisownself working the bellows over at the vulcanizing plant. Every tire is handcrafted by Mickey right here in the USA. In fact, I think the plant is right next to the one where Smitty builds his stuff as well.

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Nitto Ridge Grappler... Close thread.

Been through lots of tires. I have the S/T Maxx on my 4dr, great tire. My daughter has the Ridge Grapplers and they are my new favorite. Deadly silent and massive traction.

I do also like the KO2's and with the UNBELIEVABLE sale on those in 315/70-17 C Rated at 4WP right now, how can you say no?
PLUS You can "pick em' " with knarly side out too! Thus achieving the Big Beefy Big and Bouncy swamp-thing scarey look

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I'm running KO2's in 34x10.5. They are quiet and well behaved on the highway and really good in slick conditions. Oh yea not bad on the trail either. They do run a bit small so I went up to "34" to get a "33". This is my second set of KO2's.
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Remember that the the Mickey Thompson is made by Cooper anyhow...
Why is this significant in choosing a tire?

I've had Coopers before, and even some from some of their private labels, all great tires for sure.
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I took it as a positive basically stating (to those possibly Not "in the know") that lots of tires are basically made by a few Great companies.

but then again maybe I fell asleep (again)
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