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Old 08-14-2017, 08:46 AM   #31
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Then he found this one AT A KIA DEALER; they'd just reduced it to $7897. KBB was $9600. One owner, no hits ever on carfax. Why? Simple: it's a 6M. I saw the trade-in paperwork on it and they lost $1250 in the deal but it had been sitting on the floor too long and they just wanted rid of it.[/QUOTE]

Excellent point! That's a great deal you got on the Kia BTW.

Of course, it may not apply to Wranglers.

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This is true, one needs to be careful in water. But, the nemesis of the auto seems to be stalling on a steep hill, not being able to immediately restart, and having to put it in park, thus jamming the parking pawl (see post 16 in the link below). I have stalled a few times on a steep hill and it's a non-issue, as another poster said, restart with the clutch out in 4-LO. 1st gear holds the vehicle without the parking brake, which I would not trust on a steep hill.

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First, that guy arguing against disk brakes in general is just retarded.

Second, automatic transmissions are less likely if not impossible to stall on a hill. Restarting on a hill in the middle of climbing it with an automatic is a non-issue because it isn't an issue to begin with. No having to do the 3 or 4 pedal dance that a manual requires every single time when starting from a stop while going up a hill on and off road.

The potential problem with automatics is parking on a steep hill and allowing vehicle's weight to apply against the parking pawl before applying the parking brake (or not using the parking brake at all). It is easily avoidable with common sense and keeping your vehicle in good working condition.

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First, that guy arguing against disk brakes in general is just retarded.

Second, automatic transmissions are less likely if not impossible to stall on a hill. Restarting on a hill in the middle of climbing it with an automatic is a non-issue because it isn't an issue to begin with. No having to do the 3 or 4 pedal dance that a manual requires every single time when starting from a stop while going up a hill on and off road.

The potential problem with automatics is parking on a steep hill and allowing vehicle's weight to apply against the parking pawl before applying the parking brake (or not using the parking brake at all). It is easily avoidable with common sense and keeping your vehicle in good working condition.
In true liberal progressive fashion, strait to the personal attacks.

I don't do a 3 or 4 pedal dance, it's not necessary.
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Old 08-14-2017, 02:18 PM   #34
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I don't do a 3 or 4 pedal dance, it's not necessary.
Maybe for flatlanders.

It is usually not too involved, but I have had more than a few situations where starting from a stop like at at a controlled intersection on a steep hill required some serious heel-toe action or setting the parking brake while manipulating the accelerator and clutch pedals. You can't use the clutch out in 4 low in those situations.
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Maybe for flatlanders.

It is usually not too involved, but I have had more than a few situations where starting from a stop like at at a controlled intersection on a steep hill required some serious heel-toe action or setting the parking brake while manipulating the accelerator and clutch pedals. You can't use the clutch out in 4 low in those situations.
Check the map, Arizona is not flat. In case you can't find it, it's to the east of commiefornia. For you an auto is a good match.
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Auto.... I had two previous manual trans wranglers.... I just bought a Recon 6 months ago.... and was thinking 6 speed of course.... Given its my DD I opted for Auto.... After I placed the order I was regretting it... But I went off-roading this pass weekend and for 6 hard hours... I was going over rocks, forging in three feet of water, and tackling 60 degree inclines... it was a blast.... even though I put a small dent in the AT cross brace Shield/skid plate when I struck a submerged rock.... I can't imagine doing the same course with a manual.... too much work.... Less fun....
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I'm having trouble deciding on a transmission

I'd definitely get one.... It helps.
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Twenty years ago when the roads were less congested I would preach M/Ts all day long. Now, I'm Lazy, oldish, and tired of shifting. I can row the gears manually on my AUTO all day long, then I can put it in "D" and be lazy all night long. GO AUTO!
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Manual:
- cheaper
- the 'driving experience'
- lighter?

Auto:
- easier to resell
- easier to drive in traffic
- easier to drive off road
- perhaps more reliable?

Some friends have MT Jeeps and they are a pain on large rocks / boulders. With the AT I left foot brake, and so can inch over rocks without too much trouble. With the MT it is a circus of stalling and bouncing too far over them. Also on rocky slopes once a gear is selected sometimes you're stuck in the that gear for some time if it just is not possible to up shift. But then I don't believe in making things more difficult than what they are. I have a bunch of other vehicles that are all MTs and the slushbox in the JK is something to look forward to.
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My 2012 JKU sport was a standard transmission because I have never liked the way an automatic transmission shifted, and it was great. Last year I traded it in for a sarge green 75th anniversary edition 2016 JKU. It has an automatic transmission. At first I regretted buying an automatic transmission, but that quickly wore off. I absolutely do not miss the standard transmission. The automatic in my Jeep shifts great. I highly recommend it.
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Lordy, pull the trigger and don't look back. Either way you'll have a Jeep.

Don't torture yourself over this.
Ha, I freely admit to being an overthinker.

Thanks again to all. Believe it or not, you guys really helped.
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OP, I have a manual and love it, but you have doubts and should get the auto. If you have good instincts always go with that. If you don't then your on your own.
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Don't worry over price. It won't be an issue if you get what you want. It might if you don't.
I haven't test driven yet, but I've already decided. I'm going to get the automatic. I'm headed to the dealer tomorrow after work to make it official.
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First off, I apologize. I do hate to post on a topic that has been beaten to death, and I definitely don't want to incite another round of debates, but....

I'm finally ready to place an order for a new JK, to the point of having a sheet from Koon's. I was all set to order a manual but I'm having doubts. When I decided that it was finally the right time to get a Jeep, many months ago, I was planning to get the auto as one of the few options I actually want.

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f274/an...d-1939682.html

After I talked myself out of buying at that time, I started thinking I would step up to a Rubicon, mostly for the 4.10 gears. Since auto + 4.10 works out to a $2000 option, and I am still trying to be budget conscious, I decided the manual was the way to go. Now, I have driven several manuals in my time, most extensively a mid 90s Honda Civic, but I have never owned one. I have owned motorcycles for my entire 22 adult years (bought my first at 18, 40 now), but those transmissions are sequential shift, and a hand clutch always seemed easy and natural to me. An automatic motorcycle is just a big scooter. It is too dangerous around here nowadays for me to ride anymore. The Jeep will not be a daily, but a fun weekend vehicle to replace both my motorcycle (open air) and my aging truck (adventure). In that regard, the manual makes sense as it's arguably more fun, and certainly more involved. A manual driver is an active participant rather than just along for the ride.

Now that I am getting serious about ordering, I've come back around to planning on a Sport, but I still have the lingering wish for a manual from when I was looking at Rubicons. Except that the auto is a much more budget friendly option in a Sport. I will admit, the NSG370 problems I have read about are influencing my doubts. I have never had, or even driven, a Jeep. I know auto is better for crawling, but I am not sure what type of wheeling I will do, except that I want to be in the woods. There isn't much hardcore stuff in FL for 4 wheeled vehicles, afaik anyway. I have been lurking here for going on 2 years and the knowledge base is very impressive, and has definitely earned my respect when it comes to Jeeps. I guess I'm just looking for some guidance.

I didn't intend to write a book, so if you've read all this, thank you.

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Manual or Auto for non dd fairweather weekend suburban cruiser and forest exploration vehicle?
It's all pretty clear to me....

This is a jeep. With the doors off your left foot belongs on the outer edge of the door frame when cruising.

It's hard doing that with a manual tranny
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Ha, I freely admit to being an overthinker.

Thanks again to all. Believe it or not, you guys really helped.

I haven't test driven yet, but I've already decided. I'm going to get the automatic.
Yay! I predict that five minutes after you've driven your new rig, you'll forget that auto vs manual was ever an issue.

Be sure to post pics when you pick it up.
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Yay! I predict that five minutes after you've driven your new rig, you'll forget that auto vs manual was ever an issue.

Be sure to post pics when you pick it up.
I expect you're right. I finally came to the conclusion that I would get tired of the manual once the novelty wore off. And, after a test drive of an auto today, (I'd never driven a Jeep before today, probably a good idea to at least try it out before committing to spend a bunch of money) I know I would not have enjoyed jamming those gears. I'm a big guy, and there's not a ton of room in that cockpit.

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