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Old 12-10-2019, 11:42 PM
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is Rough country (lift) Crap?

I've been reading and trying to soak up as much info about lifts as I can for a couple weeks now.

lifts with drop brackets to fix geometry and such, lifts and adjustable control arms to fix geometry. etc. I have a few questions since i just read another post.

1: Does rough country make crap lift kits?
currently have my eye on this one: 4" rough country lift with adj control arms/track bar

2: if this lift works the way i think it will, (since most lifts pull the wheels together) my wheels will be re-centered in the wheel well thus helping with geometry of drive shaft etc. but what about the drive shaft??

3: 4" lift on a stock willy's going to end up higher then 4"? thinking along the lines of no heavier aftermarket bumpers or anything, not at the moment anyway.

also will the stock drive shaft be too short? you are basically lengthening the wheel base with the adj, CA's to keep your wheels centered? so what does that do to the drive shaft.

been reading so much about it and watching video's, kinda makes my head hurt.

probably waiting till after the new year to really do anything with a lift, but i want tires and lift. 35's and 3-4' lift. its a 2017 JK


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Rough country spends more on marketing than engineering.

Save up for a better lift.

4"is a lot of lift for only running 35's on a jk, you might want to reconsider and keep reading more.
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Rough country spends more on marketing than engineering.

Save up for a better lift.

4"is a lot of lift for only running 35's on a jk, you might want to reconsider and keep reading more.
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I had a RC lift when I was a newb and it turned out to be crap. There are many higher quality lifts out there that cost more but are well worth it IMO. My advice to you is do your research, save money and do it right the first time.
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Yes - crap. Get a better lift such as Rock Krawler or Metalcloak. And nix 4 inches - too much lift for 35s. Get 2.5 lift - your driveline and steering will thank you. Run flat fenders if you just want the look of more lift.
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Also be prepared to address regearing and axle reinforcements going up to that size tire.
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Don't do it. It will cost more in the long run. I had said that some of parts are ok in the past, but now having to replace LCA's due to failed bushings. I've pretty much replaced everything on my lift now except those LCA's, the dropped pitman arm and the rear trackbar relocation bracket. I have the replacements for the Pitman arm and trackbar bracket on the bench. Still looking at control arms.

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I wouldn't say it's crap because it does work.... but there is the old saying; you get what you pay for. You have to remember that when dealing with RC



As for lift, anything over about 3.5 inches (done properly) gets very expensive. Keep it between 2 and 3.5 inches and you won't need to start messing around with driveshafts, pinion angles, flip kits... etc.


Quality? Stick with Teraflex, metacloak, rock krawler. You can get the less expensive kits but handling is hit and miss and most of the time you end up having to add to the kit after the fact to try and boost handling quality.
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Yes - crap. Get a better lift such as Rock Krawler or Metalcloak. And nix 4 inches - too much lift for 35s. Get 2.5 lift - your driveline and steering will thank you. Run flat fenders if you just want the look of more lift.
^This but also stay away from Rock Krawler. That's just a more expensive crap option.
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^This but also stay away from Rock Krawler. That's just a more expensive crap option.
Absolutely untrue. Rock Krawler is one of the best brands out there, not sure what you are talking about or what misinformation you have heard.
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Thanks for all the info. Like I said I was eyeing it just because of certain things I have been reading. Looking at other sites where almost every lift these people have is RC but then people here are saying they are bad so made me wonder.

I am also looking at a re-gear because 35s are big.

End goal is daily driver and weekend warrior haha I want something dependable but for what I want teraflex is like 4x more expensive.
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The words country and rough used in the same name should give you a clue.
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Absolutely untrue. Rock Krawler is one of the best brands out there, not sure what you are talking about or what misinformation you have heard.

Likely has something to do with the multiple friends I have who decided to get RK lifts and have since had to replace their sagging springs after multiple RK replacement attempts with something else and have had to deal with their RK parts rusting away living in the rust belt regions. It says you live in Arizona, you probably haven't had to deal with the rust problems which are well known, as well as their known common sagging spring issues.





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You are receiving some good advice from experienced people, there will be many opinions on better lifts, but for sure Rough Country is total crap!

Tereflex's 2.5" lift with 9550 shocks is decently priced, and you can pickup a set of either slightly longer FLCAs (front lower control arms) or geo-brackets to help restore caster. I'm not just saying this because it is what I did I read a lot on this forum, especially the 'most popular lift' thread...

https://www.wranglerforum.com/f202/m...f-1136938.html

I built my TeraFlex lift over time to include all 8 TeraFlex sport control arms and the TeraFlex monster adjustable front track bar. I found smoking deals on FB Marketplace on the control arms and the track bar. Some people pull off perfectly good stuff to lift higher, and if you find a mall crawler source the parts are really in great shape.

Take your time and read A LOT.

Unless you already have a Rubicon w/4.10 gears, you will hate life with 35s unless you regear. As I understand it, 4.56 is great for autos, 4.88 for manuals. I re-geared to 4.88s and have been very happy both on and off road.

It is tough to wait, but better than to go cheap and then have to spend again resulting in more than if you just waited and spent once.
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As suggested you might want to read a bit more to get an idea of what you plan on doing with the Jeep and your ultimate goals. It's a lot of money to spend to have to change things more than once.

I have a 12 Rubicon with a 4.5" AEV lift and run 35" tires. It's a tall Jeep. I purchased the Jeep this way 2 years ago and based on the condition of the skid plates it wasn't used off road much. Since I have bought it I have had to change the ball joints, and brakes. I am in the process of doing a full Steersmarts steering upgrade. I have also had to replace both factory driveshafts due to the angles the lift produced. And, I will be doing a regear to 4.56 soon. Going big is cool but you pay the price on the wear on the parts. Good luck on your project.
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Please stay away from rough country. I know. Because I just changed out every single part of my one year old rough country lift last week and this week I finished. Their shocks are trash. Get Falcons. Their brackets rust and the welds crack. Also their bushing literally break apart after a year of hard use. Please be patient and save up. And if you do get a cheaper lift sell the shocks it comes with and get the Falcon 2.1’s.
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The best advice here is that 4" of lift is typically more than you need for 35" tires. And a properly done 2.5" lift tends to run about half the price of a properly done 4" lift, so there is that.
I would rather spend the coin on a nice 2.5" lift and do it right. That will look and work great with 35" tires.
Brands like TeraFlex, AEV, JKS, MetalCloak, and RockKrawler tend to be the better brands. That is not a complete list, but you get the idea. That said, many lifts still need a few extra parts to fine tune them and dial them in. For example, some decent 2.5" lifts do not include proper caster correction. But it is easy enough to add that, in the form of geometry brackets or longer / adjustable lower front control arms if the lift in question doesn't.

One key to finding the right lift is knowing how you are going to use the Jeep. For example, an AEV lift tends to drive really well on the street while still performing well off road. But a MetalCloak lift may work better off road while not being quite as excellent on road. But the differences are details, any high end lift should ride better than stock both on road and off.
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Please stay away from rough country. I know. Because I just changed out every single part of my one year old rough country lift last week and this week I finished. Their shocks are trash. Get Falcons. Their brackets rust and the welds crack. Also their bushing literally break apart after a year of hard use. Please be patient and save up. And if you do get a cheaper lift sell the shocks it comes with and get the Falcon 2.1’s.
What brand did you change them out with? I ask because I have a 2.5" RC lift, and I am getting buyer's remorse.

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Thanks for all the info. Like I said I was eyeing it just because of certain things I have been reading. Looking at other sites where almost every lift these people have is RC but then people here are saying they are bad so made me wonder.

I am also looking at a re-gear because 35s are big.

End goal is daily driver and weekend warrior haha I want something dependable but for what I want teraflex is like 4x more expensive.
A small spacer lift and flat fenders will accommodate 35" tires if that is your goal and the cost is quite low. Add some Rubicon or Recon springs for a little more lift. They can normally be found free or cheap. Trim the factory fenders if you want to spend even less.
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End goal is daily driver and weekend warrior haha I want something dependable but for what I want teraflex is like 4x more expensive.



For that end goal, I would stay with the recommended spacer lift above. It is cheap and will get you the lift you want for 35's. When people say weekend warrior that usual means dirt roads, and a full suspension system would be a waste of money
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A great budget lift option that is around the price of a spacer lift (including shocks) is the Rancho 2" lift with progressive springs. That lift is like buying the shocks and getting the springs and other parts for under $100 more. Add in a set of 2" front shock extensions if you are going to run 35" tires, as with 35" tires you will want the included 2" bump stops and the extensions gain back that 2" lost to the bump stops. Finally, either a set of geometry brackets or TeraFlex sport front lower control arms (or whatever brand floats your boat) and you have a sweet lift for a great price. And the springs deliver a firmer but comfortable ride while the shocks, being adjustable, allow you to adjust things to your liking. If you aren't gonna spring for a nice lift, that is what I would do.
But keep in mind, the suspension is what determines ride quality. Not just ride quality off road, but ride quality everywhere. A street only Jeep will drive better with a quality lift than a RC or Zone cheapo lift. That it never sees hard trails doesn't make a difference. A cheap suspension will ride like a cheap suspension.
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Please stay away from rough country. I know. Because I just changed out every single part of my one year old rough country lift last week and this week I finished. Their shocks are trash. Get Falcons. Their brackets rust and the welds crack. Also their bushing literally break apart after a year of hard use. Please be patient and save up. And if you do get a cheaper lift sell the shocks it comes with and get the Falcon 2.1’s.
What brand did you change them out with? I ask because I have a 2.5" RC lift, and I am getting buyer's remorse.

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You’re in the same boat I was. I got the Falcon 2.1’s. Get the shocks made for a 3-3.5”lift and install some bump stops. Will run you about 650$ but you can find deals. It’s like driving another Jeep no joke. You’ll be giddy
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Rough Country makes some stuff that is just fine, but in their lift kits, the springs and shocks are sub par for sure.

Their 2.5 Series II budget boost is one of the best. But it's a spacer lift.

If price is critical, we have installed about 50 of these in the last 3 years and they all came out fantastic. If you keep your stock fenders, it looks great with 35's. Don't fear the price for what you are going to use it for. It is the ONLY value lift that I ever recommend.

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Rough Country makes some stuff that is just fine, but in their lift kits, the springs and shocks are sub par for sure.

Their 2.5 Series II budget boost is one of the best. But it's a spacer lift.

If price is critical, we have installed about 50 of these in the last 3 years and they all came out fantastic. If you keep your stock fenders, it looks great with 35's. Don't fear the price for what you are going to use it for. It is the ONLY value lift that I ever recommend.

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You don't feel an adjustable front trackbar is necessary with this kit? And an exhaust spacer? Just curious.
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You don't feel an adjustable front trackbar is necessary with this kit? And an exhaust spacer? Just curious.
For the OP's use? I don't think I would bother... If I was doing it for me, I would add a DL flip kit and a double cardan front driveshaft. But that runs the $$ up fast. You could do just an adjustable front track bar and an exhaust spacer kit if you were going to fully flex it out on occasion, it doesn't sound like the OP will.

But every decent kit needs those things if you are going to hit the trails with your Jeep.
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Absolutely untrue. Rock Krawler is one of the best brands out there, not sure what you are talking about or what misinformation you have heard.


They also have a ton of options for each kit.
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Thanks for all the info. Like I said I was eyeing it just because of certain things I have been reading. Looking at other sites where almost every lift these people have is RC but then people here are saying they are bad so made me wonder.

I am also looking at a re-gear because 35s are big.

End goal is daily driver and weekend warrior haha I want something dependable but for what I want teraflex is like 4x more expensive.
Unsure of what you've been reading and where, but Rough Country lifts are pretty popular with the pick-up truck community, where they seem to make a decent lift that many are happy with for pick-ups. As well, I've read positive reviews for RC lifts made for the TJ. However, for their JK lifts that does not seem to be the case. I am a member of another JK forum and it seems like every month someone comes in asking questions trying to diagnose the reasons they are having steering issues and 99% of the time, it gets diagnosed down to having a RC lift installed. RC has cut corners in their JK lifts. They use things like drop pitman arms for steering angle correction, instead of a drag link flip. They use dual steering stabilizers to mask the problems with their lift, where the JK when lifted correctly doesn't even need a steering stabilizer. They use frame side track bar angle correction brackets, where most good lifts use axle side correction brackets. You may not know what each of these items do, but the jist take away is that when you lift, parts are included in the lift to correct the suspension geometry, where there are often multiple ways to skin a cat in doing so as they say. RC lifts, always take the cheap way of doing it, which helps with keeping their prices low but also leads to more problems later on down the road. Throw all that on top of their springs have been known to sag, and their included shocks are junk, then it all just adds up to a crap lift for the JK.

For what you are trying to achieve, and are more budget friendly lifts, here would be my short list of suggestions of lifts you should look at which are known to be good. They all come in at different price points as well. This would be my order of preference which may cause many debates...but oh well, here it is....they're "my" preferences.

1. Metalcloak 2.5in Rocksport edition
2. Mopar 2in lift w/ fox shocks
3. AEV 2.5in Dualsport XT
4. JKS Jspec 2.5in lift
5. Rancho 2in sport system (4 springs)
6. Rubicon Express 2.5in lift (least expensive within the RC price range, but also my least favorite of this list).
7. 2-2.5in Budget boost lift (ie puck lift..any brand will do.)

Yes, all of those are below the 4 inches you were originally considering. Another thing to consider is that most lifts are actually .5 to 1in taller than their listed height amount. Teraflex seems to be out of the norm here, where what they list is often what you actually get.

There is a tipping point on lift amount height which happens on the JK. That tipping point is around 3.5inches. You go over 3.5inches of actual lift, then be prepared to start emptying your wallet. You don't need greater than 3.5inches of lift for 35s. When you are looking at 37s and larger, then you need to consider going over 3.5inches of lift and even then, some will choose to go with cut fenders rather than going over 3.5inches of actual lift. The reason is that once you go over 3.5in of lift, then the price goes up substantially because you need to start investing in DL flip kits, drive shaft replacements and control arm replacements and the additional lift amount gains you nothing for additional offroad performance when running 35s (I'm sure someone will come in with a "belly clearance" argument ).

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