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Old 12-02-2016, 09:42 AM   #61
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Thing about Lojack is, What are you getting back? I've seen many theft recoveries.....

IF my Jeep gets stolen by some POS - I don't want it back.

That's what my Insurance Policy is for.

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Old 12-02-2016, 09:49 AM   #62
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While this is not exactly the same as booby-trapping your Jeep. I do have a customer that was prosecuted for booby-trapping their cabin. I live in a very rural area that has many cabins/vacation/hunting places. Our population will double or triple on some nice weekends with all of the people that come up. Cabins being broke into is a pretty common problem around here. One of my customers had their place broken into on several different occasions, got tired of nothing being done about it and decided to try booby traps. They buried two by sixes along the length of the driveway with nails sticking up out of the ground as a tire deflation device. Was all good with no incidents until there was a forest fire (I live right between a State Forest and National Forest and this is very common). The first truck (wildland attack truck, not a big fire truck like what most people think) down the driveway hit the traps and blew out both front tires simultaneously. No one was hurt, but the property owner was prosecuted for this. I was on the Fire Dept at the time this occurred but was not involved in it at all. Luckily, for the property owner there was no additional fire damage due to the truck being out of commission. As I understand it, he could have also been liable for property damage due to his traps taking a fire truck out. I do not know the details of the case and I know he is not in prison over it but I'm sure it cost a pretty penny to defend the case and I know he got a big, really big iirc, fine out of it.

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IMO -> Don't "booby trap" your Jeep just be smart about where you leave it and rely on your insurance to do what it is supposed to do.

The problem with these crazy traps people are mentioning is that they can also injure an emergency responder if you are in an accident.
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The Club can work if used properly. True story... I work in Philadelphia and every day would park next to a co-worker with an almost identical car. I used a club; he didn't. After about a year of this, his car was stolen. He had previously mocked my club as ineffective, but of course it was only part of an overall strategy.
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Old 12-03-2016, 02:52 AM   #67
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Point to consider. If a person intended to steal something, but didn't because a booby trap stopped him. In reality, he isn't a thief because he didn't steal it, and you injured a still innocent man. Now you need to defend yourself because you injured a innocent man.

This is why they never stop a shoplifter while he is still in the store putting things in his pockets. They have to wait until he goes outside with out paying. He could just be carrying the items to the register in his pockets. There is no crime until it is committed.

Next in the USA we have "Due Process" to prove a man guilty. Then a appropriate punishment is given. Booby traps bypass the legal system. Anyway that is how it is supposed to work.

Tisk tisk know what you're talking about before you preach. Here where I live we have a statute specifically for criminal attempt. If you tried and failed to complete you can and will be charged as if you completed it.

Further, while within a store you can and will be charged with larceny for placing items within your person even if you are still within the store.


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Old 12-03-2016, 07:59 AM   #68
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I had a well built XJ with typical trail damage/scars. Not the prettiest rig, but looking at it you know it meant business.
Had nothing but a fuel pump kill switch. It was a 5spd.
Was broke into once, and I lost $5000 worth of tools/recovery gear/parts (got home late from a trail run and decided to unload in the morning... big mistake).
Not too long after that, I came out to go to work and the rig was gone, found it around the corner a block and a half away with the doors open and the steering column smashed up.
Some time after that, my door bell rang one Saturday morning and my neighbor informed me my Jeep was blocking the road, went outside and that it sat, doors open and a tow rope still tied off to the front bumper, rig sitting cross ways in the middle of the street. Someone really wanted that rig.
That day I had an alarm installed with a little blue light that flashed when armed, and put a Sig Sauer sticker in the window.
It was never touched again.

Moral of the story, let them know it will not be a quick easy job, and they will move on. Will not stop the pro's, but nothing will stop the pro's.

My JK is a nice rig, 6spd, it has a hood lock, fuel pump kill switch an alarm with a blue light that flashes when armed and a Sig Sauer sticker in the window... Knocking on wood.
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Old 12-03-2016, 08:01 AM   #69
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WRONG!!! In Texas Deadly Force is authorized to prevent a theft or criminal mischief at night. God I love this state. Just FYI. It comes down to your local and state laws.
Yes and no. Measures you are in control of, eg a pistol in your hand, are different from booby traps.

On some others commenting on shoplifting laws, a number of us who may have worked retail know you can prosecute intent to steal. it's been 30 years since I worked in my dad's store, but with cameras, simple witnessing, and/or certain types of signage it is not that difficult. a person putting merchandise beneath their clothes or burying into their handbag can be persecuted. Also a person who passes a certain point that has signage that no merchandise not paid for can pass can be prosecuted even though never leaving the property.
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I have Avast anti theft on my Android Unit and I can track my jeep from home. Never had to use it and hope never will.....honestly if someone wants your jeep their gonna take it..Full coverage INS FTW
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I've already planned to purchase a hood lock and locking gas cap the day I purchase my Jeep. I'll do what I can to protect her as I've done with all my cars.

We previously had a Baja Bug that became a pick a part, my husband wound up putting chicken wire over the engine, no problems after that.
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I've already planned to purchase a hood lock and locking gas cap the day I purchase my Jeep. I'll do what I can to protect her as I've done with all my vechicles.

We previously had a Baja Bug that became a pick a part, my husband wound up putting chicken wire over the engine, no problems after that.
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Well, crap weasel, thought I was doing an edit and it posted twice, sorry about that.
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There is no security that is going to keep a determined thief from taking your jeep. I am a cop in Memphis and I've seen them pop a lock and be driving off in less than a minute. Or they back up to it with a tow truck. Once on the truck, onlookers don't really question the legitimacy of the tow.
A gps tracker is a good place to start so you can quickly recover it. Or it will eventually turn up with your wheels and everything else missing.
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Yes and no. Measures you are in control of, eg a pistol in your hand, are different from booby traps.

On some others commenting on shoplifting laws, a number of us who may have worked retail know you can prosecute intent to steal. it's been 30 years since I worked in my dad's store, but with cameras, simple witnessing, and/or certain types of signage it is not that difficult. a person putting merchandise beneath their clothes or burying into their handbag can be persecuted. Also a person who passes a certain point that has signage that no merchandise not paid for can pass can be prosecuted even though never leaving the property.
lol, sir I was in Law enforcement for over 6 years, don't really need to be told what I could and couldn't do. And I only used the term Deadly force. It never states in what manner the deadly force was used. Im not saying to booby trap stuff, just that the deadly force itself was authorized. Also you can prosecute anyone for anything. but its what you can prove in court. most people that have charges brought on them that were caught on camera are because they also admitted to the act. you MUST PASS THE POINT OF SALE without paying. There is nothing in Texas state law that requires a sign to be posted. Again this is all based on my experience and Texas Laws, most states are similar but do very in requirements.
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LoJack I just recreated the window sticker from their web site, Thieves have no Idea what the real ones look like. So far has worked for the Vette and the Harley.
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lol, sir I was in Law enforcement for over 6 years, don't really need to be told what I could and couldn't do. And I only used the term Deadly force. It never states in what manner the deadly force was used. Im not saying to booby trap stuff, just that the deadly force itself was authorized. Also you can prosecute anyone for anything. but its what you can prove in court. most people that have charges brought on them that were caught on camera are because they also admitted to the act. you MUST PASS THE POINT OF SALE without paying. There is nothing in Texas state law that requires a sign to be posted. Again this is all based on my experience and Texas Laws, most states are similar but do very in requirements.
I don't think you understand deadly force or booby trap case law. Booby traps don't have to be deadly to be illegal. Deadly force under your immediate control is not related to booby trap law whatsoever.

Lines of wire with fishooks in them are not deadly force but are illegal to use with intent under long established case law on booby traps unless you mitigate with protective emblems (which is why electric fences that are not deadly force need to have obvious markings).

There is abig differnce between a gun in your holster or hand, which you have "immediate control" of, and booby traps. That is why there is specific booby trap case law.


As far as illegal theft attempts, you do not need to pass point of sale in all states. That just makes it easier to prosecute. If a person has actively concealed or actively changed tags typically in dressing room they sure as heck can be charged wiht theft attempt. I have seen, in fact been part of, successful prosecution of those. In many states, concealment alone completes the crime of theft (shoplifting). Concealment of merchandise completes the specific intent necessary for the criminal charge.

In fact we used to get people on "Loitering with intent to steal" which can be prosecuted as a kind of trespass prosecuted without even touching any merchandise r leaving -- and in fact can be used against people on the public property near you. Those are really prosecuted without passing a point of sale. They fall under attempted theft.

Now can a good lawyer beat back an attempted theft change? Sure. Just getting a lawyer means it will likely be dropped. But good lawyers get charges dropped for people who pass point of sale as well, and very often.
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Now we're getting somewhere. Fishhooks in the driver's seat, I like it. A good lawyer should easily be able to beat any charges on that booby trap. Just a clumsy angler.
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I don't think you understand deadly force or booby trap case law. Booby traps don't have to be deadly to be illegal. Deadly force under your immediate control is not related to booby trap law whatsoever.

Lines of wire with fishooks in them are not deadly force but are illegal to use with intent under long established case law on booby traps unless you mitigate with protective emblems (which is why electric fences that are not deadly force need to have obvious markings).

There is abig differnce between a gun in your holster or hand, which you have "immediate control" of, and booby traps. That is why there is specific booby trap case law.


As far as illegal theft attempts, you do not need to pass point of sale in all states. That just makes it easier to prosecute. If a person has actively concealed or actively changed tags typically in dressing room they sure as heck can be charged wiht theft attempt. I have seen, in fact been part of, successful prosecution of those. In many states, concealment alone completes the crime of theft (shoplifting). Concealment of merchandise completes the specific intent necessary for the criminal charge.

In fact we used to get people on "Loitering with intent to steal" which can be prosecuted as a kind of trespass prosecuted without even touching any merchandise r leaving -- and in fact can be used against people on the public property near you. Those are really prosecuted without passing a point of sale. They fall under attempted theft.

Now can a good lawyer beat back an attempted theft change? Sure. Just getting a lawyer means it will likely be dropped. But good lawyers get charges dropped for people who pass point of sale as well, and very often.
Two things, 1) I never said "Booby traps" were legal. 2) Every time I referenced the "Law" it was in reference to Texas state law. You must have missed that. And we aren't talking about subsequent charges or lesser charges of theft, but theft alone. Thanks
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A security system and a GPS tracker are the best security measures that you can use to secure your vehicle. There are some other gadgets that are made for the home break-in prevention. They also help in protecting your vehicle. Here are some examples:

Steering wheel lock
It prevents the thief to turn the steering. When the thief tries to turn the steering, the bar hits the door and prevent the wheel from turning. It is cost-effective and easy to use.

Killswitch
It shut down the electrical system when the burglar tries to start the car without a key. The kill switch cut off the fuel to the car or shut off the electrical system

Brake lock
The lock is attached to the brake pedal and make it impossible to hold the brake. Removing the vehicle brake is difficult that makes the vehicle undrivable.

You can follow these home security prevention measures to protect your garage:

-Replace your old light fixtures with ones that have a built-in motion detector.
-Use curtains or blinds to cover the window to stop the burglar from viewing the stuff present inside
-Bar the windows to prevent the burglar’s entry
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My neighborhood is safe - not worried about my Jeep here, but I do hear stories about a lot of Jeeps being stolen lately closer to downtown Phoenix. What do YOU do (if anything) to prevent theft?

Mine does have a security system, but I'm debating a club and/or tracking device for when I'm closer to downtown.

Thoughts?
I more or less follow the bear philosophy. You just need to make your Jeep more of a PITA to steal than the next guys. In the end if they want it, they are getting it. I have locking bolts on my door hinges, locking latches on my hood, Locking nuts on each wheel, including the spare. Safe under my front seat, and I keep the middle console and glove box unlocked, I leave nothing of value in the cabin in the open. In the end, my goal is for a thief to see a good Jeep, nothing inside to take, a little of a PITA with the locks on the door hinges and hood latches, and maybe that will be enough for him to roll to the next Jeep. I have a stock radio as well so nothing really worth stealing.

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