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Old 02-06-2015, 01:12 PM
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Jeep's Design Your Next Vehicle Survey

I bought my 2014 JKU Safari last May. I got all the initial surveys after purchase, but I recently received another survey from Jeep labeled as "helping Jeep design my next vehicle". It was fairly lengthy.

Overall, I gave my Jeep a good score and asked for the following design changes that are at the top of my list:

1) Power seat option with multiple adjustments (I'm tall and the ability to tilt up the front of the seat bottom supports my legs better and improves comfort - can't do this on current seat)
2) Non-removable top, so I can have a "barn" door in the rear instead of the the flip up and swing out contraption.
3) Diesel option

Minor quibbles I had are with the UConnect (I have the 730N) - especially the navigation system.

Did anyone else get this survey?

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They have all three of those in the GC/Durango lineup... don't mess up the Wrangler!

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I wouldn't need the power, if they simply offered a manual 6-way adjustable seat.

Once I find my comfy spot, I tend to never readjust my seat ever again. Though, my old XJ even had a 6-way power passenger seat.
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Better rust proofing of the undercarriage, should be numero uno on the list! Maybe an option for Full-Time 4x4, and please make a frick'n top that doesn't leak!!!
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They have all three of those in the GC/Durango lineup... don't mess up the Wrangler!
Yes! Your top three desires basically point to the GC.
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Non-removable top ??????
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Better rust proofing of the undercarriage, should be numero uno on the list! Maybe an option for Full-Time 4x4, and please make a frick'n top that doesn't leak!!!
what leaks? your hard top or soft top? About to pull the trigger on a premium soft top for my '15 JK and hoping i'm not buying a leaky roof...My hard top doesn't leak.


Full time 4x4 on a wrangler? no thanks. Leave it the F alone. Subarus are for people who want full time 4x4
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Non-removable top ??????

right?!?
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A/C should be standard!
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what leaks? your hard top or soft top? About to pull the trigger on a premium soft top for my '15 JK and hoping i'm not buying a leaky roof...My hard top doesn't leak.


Full time 4x4 on a wrangler? no thanks. Leave it the F alone. Subarus are for people who want full time 4x4
Hardtop leaks, basically the Freedom top to me seems like a piss poor design. As far as full-time 4x4, they would sell more of them than part-time, but why not make it an option?
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Hardtop leaks, basically the Freedom top to me seems like a piss poor design. As far as full-time 4x4, they would sell more of them than part-time, but why not make it an option?
16 mpgs for part time 4x4, I'd hate to see what full time 4x4 does to that number
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16 mpgs for part time 4x4, I'd hate to see what full time 4x4 does to that number
What I mean is a lever position for 4H full time, not always on.
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Maybe a 2-door hard top with rear slider Windows would be cool. Also moon roof in the freedom panels or back area! (I know I'm just asking for more leaks!)
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2) Non-removable top, so I can have a "barn" door in the rear instead of the the flip up and swing out contraption.
I hope someone at jeep ISN'T listening to you.
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Hardtop leaks, basically the Freedom top to me seems like a piss poor design. As far as full-time 4x4, they would sell more of them than part-time, but why not make it an option?

Interesting...haven't had mine in heavy rain yet but plenty of melting snow/ice and light rain with no leaks.

As for full time 4x4, I don't see a need on a wrangler. Serious off road vehicles aren't meant to be all wheel drive vehicles IMO. to make that an option would mean to offer wranglers with two radically different 4x4 setups. Yes they'd likely sell a lot of them but probably at the expense of cannabalizing sales of the Patriot/Compass or that new Renegade "thing" and would essentially be putting a bunch of soccer moms into real jeeps that aren't real jeeps anymore. I think it would just wreck the Wrangler brand. they should just leave creature comforts and all that stuff to all their other crap offerings rather than dilute the only Jeep worth buying. Just my .02
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what leaks? your hard top or soft top? About to pull the trigger on a premium soft top for my '15 JK and hoping i'm not buying a leaky roof...My hard top doesn't leak.
Mike has a hard top and I have a premium soft top. Neither leak, unless we do something wrong putting it back on. And we only did that with his hard top once.
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They have all three of those in the GC/Durango lineup... don't mess up the Wrangler!
I agree with this.. And a non remove able top??? WHAT!! Um no.. The next gen. Wrangler better have a removable top and doors.. I will be highly disappointed is it doesn't.. I do however like the idea of a Diesel engine.. Keep the wrangler simple don't make it more then it needs to be.. The fun of owning a wrangler is to be able to make it your own easily and ride naked in the summer
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I agree with this.. And a non remove able top??? WHAT!! Um no.. The next gen. Wrangler better have a removable top and doors.. I will be highly disappointed is it doesn't.. I do however like the idea of a Diesel engine.. Keep the wrangler simple don't make it more then it needs to be.. The fun of owning a wrangler is to be able to make it your own easily and ride naked in the summer
My guess is we'll get a wrangler made mostly of aluminum, with no fold down windshield, and possibly an independent front end. But thats about all i see changing, I doubt the removable top will ever fully be removed. But they need to work more on making it leakproof, those freedom top panels are really a piss poor design(especially the fitment above the rearview mirror).
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Kinda agreeing with the other posts...the Tops won't leak if installed correctly....that being said my '12 JK had the St installed incorrectly when I brought it home from the dealer...but it has never leaked...and neither has the '14.....
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I agree with this.. And a non remove able top??? WHAT!! Um no.. The next gen. Wrangler better have a removable top and doors.. I will be highly disappointed is it doesn't.. I do however like the idea of a Diesel engine.. Keep the wrangler simple don't make it more then it needs to be.. The fun of owning a wrangler is to be able to make it your own easily and ride naked in the summer
This is why I bought/always wanted a wrangler. Top off, door off. Simple design with serious off road capabilities. If I wanted any of that other crap I'd buy any other SUV. Just leave the wrangler the F alone. No aluminum bodies, no unibody. Spend money lobbying the EPA to grant wrangler an exception. The mpg mandates are not fair for wrangler as they're based on the vehicle's footprint. There simply has to be a way to grease the EPA on this issue rather than destroying the wrangler.

If they go unibody, my 2015 JK will be my first and last new wrangler.
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My list of changes I would like to see
1. Diesel and V8 options.
2. Better gearing.
3. Rear side window sliders on the hard top.

I know most of these could be added to my current JK, but it might get more people interested if these were available from the factory.
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Kinda agreeing with the other posts...the Tops won't leak if installed correctly....that being said my '12 JK had the St installed incorrectly when I brought it home from the dealer...but it has never leaked...and neither has the '14.....
BS....they leak, mainly because they are built like crap, that seal between the two panels above the rearview mirror is pathetic at best.
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My guess is we'll get a wrangler made mostly of aluminum, with no fold down windshield, and possibly an independent front end. But thats about all i see changing, I doubt the removable top will ever fully be removed. But they need to work more on making it leakproof, those freedom top panels are really a piss poor design(especially the fitment above the rearview mirror).
The only reason they'd lose the fold down windsheild is if they go unibody...no need otherwise. And going unibody is hardly a small change....it destroys the wrangler IMO.
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BS....they leak, mainly because they are built like crap, that seal between the two panels above the rearview mirror is pathetic at best.
Think someone's ocd is showing......I agree SOME leak but I believe it is due to being installed incorrectly.....it may have been at the factory, it may have been at the dealer and/ or, it may have been when the first person who opened it closed it. The statement of "they leak" is including every Jeep. I have had 3 since 2012 that have not LEAKED at all.
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BS....they leak, mainly because they are built like crap, that seal between the two panels above the rearview mirror is pathetic at best.
Any chance you have a bad gasket? Wonder if the dealer could fix under warranty. I have 0 experience with this as my jeep is only 3 weeks old and I haven't taken the panels or whole top off yet but from what I've been reading there's a bit of a technique to putting it back on properly.
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I'd say, to the extent possible, forget about making design improvements and focus on making quality improvements. Fix the death wobble, stop with the stupid crap like worthless heated seats, casting sand issues in the cooling system, cylinder head problems, the freaking plastic oil cooler housings, leaking roofs, rusty undercarriages, etc.

The Wrangler is already so ridiculously unique that it really doesn't need to further differentiate itself from the competition. What they need to do is fix the damn wheel instead of reinvent it. The Pentastar is such a huge upgrade and having available 4 doors means you are already able to appeal to such a large customer base, but I still think the quality control issues alienate quite a few potential buyers. If someone asked me what I thought of my Jeep, I would say there is nothing like it and I would want nothing else. But I would also say that, chances are, if someone buys a Wrangler they will have more little annoying quality problems than someone that buys a Toyota, a Honda, a Silverado, or an F-150.
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Think someone's ocd is showing......I agree SOME leak but I believe it is due to being installed incorrectly.....it may have been at the factory, it may have been at the dealer and/ or, it may have been when the first person who opened it closed it. The statement of "they leak" is including every Jeep. I have had 3 since 2012 that have not LEAKED at all.
I have had them off several times, and worked on stopping it, and sooner or later same issue again, usually under heavy rain. My main concern is that section has almost no pressure to seal the panels together.
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The only reason they'd lose the fold down windsheild is if they go unibody...no need otherwise. And going unibody is hardly a small change....it destroys the wrangler IMO.
My guess is the next generation Wrangler will have more slope to the windshield to improve mpg. Sloping the windshield will make It tougher to retain fold down capability whether it goes to unitbody or not.
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I have had them off several times, and worked on stopping it, and sooner or later same issue again, usually under heavy rain. My main concern is that section has almost no pressure to seal the panels together.
Doesn't negate the initial statement....if installed improperly at the factory and held the seal or whatever out of place for an extended period of time could have "ruined it". Is it a poor design? Yes but it is the only one we have. There are several threads on trouble shooting leaks..but as yours is so new I would take to the dealer...that is what the warranty is for. Would you keep trying to fix it if it had a bad head gasket?
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NP 242 t case from liberty should be a bolt in full time 4x4 as well as part time and 2wd

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