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Old 04-24-2019, 06:47 AM   #991
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Exactly, hence by reasoning not to buy the JL latches; why reward FCA by buying the redesigned and fixed latches? Happy as well with RR.
Correct me if I`m wrong (no sarcasm), did I read somewhere that Jeep is selling JL latches with some sort of instructions to modify the existing sheet metal holes in JK`s? I know they need to be modified, but is Jeep recommending this? If they are recommending in anyway to install the JL latches on JK`s, why not make a version to plug and play? (But, could have simply been the vendor`s recommendation to fit JK`s?)


I`m not knocking RR latches in anyway. It is great that they and others have addressed this issue with an exact fit that apparently works well, based on other`s reviews.

It`s apparent that Jeep is selling a vast majority of these JL latches to JK owners. (Why would any `18 / `19 JL owner need to buy new one`s?)

For me, I do not see any flutter on my `17, but check on occasion and will change out to something without rubber straps at first sign of problem, or when I see something I like.

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Exactly, hence by reasoning not to buy the JL latches; why reward FCA by buying the redesigned and fixed latches? Happy as well with RR.
I don't see it as "rewarding FCA" but rather rewarding myself with a better and safer latch for $65 and total piece of mind. Small price to pay. Plus I will take a stupid latch design that is remedied for $65 and 20 min worth of work every day all day over the not so simple bad frame welds and death wobble steering on the JL!

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Corporate called me. They asked if I was still having issues - told them I was as my hood is fluttering and I fear imminent danger/death to the previous catastrophic hood latch failure on my vehicle. They asked me to bring it into a dealer and confirm with them on the date.

Looks like they will finally officially look into “flutter”. However I don’t expect anything to happen as a result. I told him they could save me the time and just look at any Jeep since they all experience flutter, but I would bring it in as a courtesy to them.
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Corporate called me. They asked if I was still having issues - told them I was as my hood is fluttering and I fear imminent danger/death to the previous catastrophic hood latch failure on my vehicle. They asked me to bring it into a dealer and confirm with them on the date.

Looks like they will finally officially look into “flutter”. However I don’t expect anything to happen as a result. I told him they could save me the time and just look at any Jeep since they all experience flutter, but I would bring it in as a courtesy to them.
This could be interesting...or just more run around by FCA.
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Corporate called me. They asked if I was still having issues - told them I was as my hood is fluttering and I fear imminent danger/death to the previous catastrophic hood latch failure on my vehicle. They asked me to bring it into a dealer and confirm with them on the date.
Wait, what? After all of this and you still have the stock latches?
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Yeah I haven't done a lot of desert/mountain driving due to the absurd amount of snow in the sierra this year (so just slow-ish driving around Los Angeles) and honestly thought we'd see a recall by now. But I do need to find a solution before summer as I will be doing a lot more traveling along the route they failed on. I'm going to see if they will agree to put on JL latches free of charge. If not, will see what they will charge me to do this. And will save my receipt for future reimbursement. My jeep is now out of warranty.

I actually bought daystar and rugged ridge, which are sitting at my place, but would rather get free JLs and sell these.
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For those waiting on a recall, I would point out that these basic latches have been original equipment on Wranglers for over 20 years. (since 1997 MY) That is over 3 million Wranglers that came with these basic latches (and hood flutter). I have only seen posts by 4 who had latch failure - three on both sides plus one on one side.

As traumatic as the episodes were, there were no related accidents (there could easily have been, but there weren't) nor any related personal injuries (getting the stuff scared out of you doesn't count) much less related fatalities. NHTSA will log reports just in case there ever are, but until then any action is highly unlikely.

While the FCA parts (at their cost) to replace the latches is minor on one unit, there would be a labor cost incurred, so if they recalled, just all the JK/JKUs, it would be over $100 million in recall direct cost (OEM cost of parts plus labor on 2 Million plus JK/JKUs). Does anyone really expect FCA to voluntarily spend that amount of money.

I had purchased the Daystar repair kit, but when I looked at the plastic parts on my TJ, after 15 years in the sun, and decided to install the RR ones. I then liked how they looked vs the stock, I purchased a set for my Chief. I then gave away the Daystar kit I had purchased for the Chief.

So, I spend $200 on modifications on two Jeeps. That's a drop in the bucket on the TJ modification/paint/upgrade expense and just the start on the Chief. I will admit, the first post on this thread really got my attention. But, I never expected any recall and still don't.
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Rest assured, there will be no recall by FCA on hood latches or reimbursement for those of us who swapped them out. Pipe dreams.

I wouldn't be surprised if these geniuses reintroduced the shitty latches on a future vehicle. FCA isn't exactly on top of their game if you haven't noticed.
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hey Rgreen, you don't know shit. you weren't in my jeep when the hood flew up, you don't know what i went through NOT to die in a head-on or endanger the two vehicles in my rear view mirror. Just by luck no one was injured.

They already did a recall on the JK hood straps .. so your whole post is shit.

everyone, just replace your straps and be safe, thanks. keep receipts and have peace of mind.
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What recall?
Google says it was called "Notification Code H38: Primary Hood Latches", limited to some 2008s and 2009s. Only ~7300 vehicles.

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Remember,, replacing the hood latches will void the warranty on your hood latches and possibly the entire warranty could be flagged. LOL!!!
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Got my new Drake Offroad hood latches installed. Took about an hour, most of which was working on that pesky passenger side one and running to the hardware store because I couldn't find my 10 mm and 13 mm sockets I needed. (Moved into an apartment and now can't find anything!).

Sprung for the black turnbuckles also...I questioned myself after ordering this hood latch, but now that I have them on I really like them! They actually seem like a smaller, more minimal design and profile than the original hood latches, and the other, more popular ones like the RR ones or the JL ones.



They seem very sturdy and I bet the hood won't bounce now! I wonder if I should have waited for a possible recall, but I really like these so I guess I won't hold my breath!
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Yep, you were lucky your hood didn't fly up and smash your windshield as many others have. First thing I removed and swapped out when I got my JKUR was the ignorantly still utilized stock hood latches. I've had a number of Jeeps since my 1995 2 door and every one had bad hood flutter. Ridiculous design and lack of willingness to change until the JL.

While I was waiting for the RR latches to come in the mail I had to rig a temporary fix. To anyone I would say change them now, but if you're going to roll the dice keep a drill and some zip ties handy.....
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What ever happened to the classic CJ5 steel hood latches?
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What ever happened to the classic CJ5 steel hood latches?
They died, along with common sense and common courtesy.
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I apologize for dropping end at the end with a simplistic question, but I gather the most agreed upon replacement options for the JK "bungee" straps are either the RR aftermarket, or buying the Mopar stuff now being used on the JL? Seems folks are happy with RR, and I'll admit I'd drift toward supporting those guys.

One other question, for the OP AspenGlow. I'm surprised (but shouldn't be) that this is still dragging on. Haven't read the entire thread, but wonder if you've ever dropped the term "product liability" in you conversations with Chrysler? It sure seems like they should be more proactive. Whether these have proved generally safe or not, show these rubber straps to a jury, and they are going to have doubts.
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Found a semi-deal on the DAYSTAR dogbones during Jeep Beach and gave into the peer pressure; installed today.
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I apologize for dropping end at the end with a simplistic question, but I gather the most agreed upon replacement options for the JK "bungee" straps are either the RR aftermarket, or buying the Mopar stuff now being used on the JL? Seems folks are happy with RR, and I'll admit I'd drift toward supporting those guys.
I'd say the most common replacements per this board are either the Daystar or Rugged Ridge latches. The JLs are a more recent choice. Drake is a popular choice, too.

I went with Rugged Ridge as I really liked the look versus the Daystar, which although cheaper neither one is what I would call expensive. The JLs weren't in production when I replaced my latches; otherwise, I might have gone with them. I'm completely satisfied with my RRs and don't plan on ever replacing them unless one breaks so I haven't really looked at the JLs.

Any of the replacement latches are better than the OEM rubber bands, so in the end just get whatever strikes your fancy.
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What ever happened to the classic CJ5 steel hood latches?

They were discontinued with the end of YJ production. They had their issues too, but usually later in the cycle when the originals would rust and the spring would then then either freeze up or break.

I believe the factory ones were painted mild steel, although stainless steel was and is a cheap replacement.
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Hi team,

I have dropped the vehicle off at a dealer in LA. At first they did not want to accept it, but then they did accept it after Chrysler called them and told them they would be paying for all diagnostics etc.

Chrysler instructed the dealer to try and recreate and verify the issue.

I told them it is important to recreate the issue exactly as I stated:

Passing semi coming opposite direction on 2 lane highway with no divider driving 60mph.

I gave them a good area to test, but it is 120 miles north of here. I told them

1) I just filled up a full tank of gas and they can use all of it
2) They can have the vehicle for however long they want
3) If they need more gas I will be happy to provide

I told them while in LA passing a semi at 60 mph seems odd, it is a scenario I encounter almost every other weekend when I drive to the mountains with my family in the summer times and it is important they take the vehicle out to such a place this can be tested. I provide a map.

The dealer has informed me they are subletting the road test out, which I find slightly comical.

I will report back with future info here. Chrysler also agreed to pay for a rental.

I told Chrysler that if the results come back from the road test as “cannot replicate” I will then shoot footage of said issue and submit at which point they will then ask me to bring it back in - and can we just avoid all that and get the correct test set up this first time.

How much longer can this debacle go on?
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Hi team,

I have dropped the vehicle off at a dealer in LA. At first they did not want to accept it, but then they did accept it after Chrysler called them and told them they would be paying for all diagnostics etc.

Chrysler instructed the dealer to try and recreate and verify the issue.

I told them it is important to recreate the issue exactly as I stated:

Passing semi coming opposite direction on 2 lane highway with no divider driving 60mph.

I gave them a good area to test, but it is 120 miles north of here. I told them

1) I just filled up a full tank of gas and they can use all of it
2) They can have the vehicle for however long they want
3) If they need more gas I will be happy to provide

I told them while in LA passing a semi at 60 mph seems odd, it is a scenario I encounter almost every other weekend when I drive to the mountains with my family in the summer times and it is important they take the vehicle out to such a place this can be tested. I provide a map.

The dealer has informed me they are subletting the road test out, which I find slightly comical.

I will report back with future info here. Chrysler also agreed to pay for a rental.

I told Chrysler that if the results come back from the road test as “cannot replicate” I will then shoot footage of said issue and submit at which point they will then ask me to bring it back in - and can we just avoid all that and get the correct test set up this first time.

How much longer can this debacle go on?
Damn, way to fight the good fight man. I look forward to the brilliant insight and feedback these cats will provide.
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Damn, way to fight the good fight man. I look forward to the brilliant insight and feedback these cats will provide.
Anyone with hood flutter should apparently bring their jeep into their dealer. If you are planning on doing this, send me the details in PM and I can forward the details to my contact so that they are aware.

Corporate:

"Each one of these owners should be contacting a local Jeep dealership to have their vehicles inspected, if they feel there is an issue with their hood. The dealer will do an inspection and perform any necessary repairs that may be needed. It's important for owner's to bring their vehicles to a dealer where we can gather the information, that is what drives change and action (recalls, warranty extensions etc.) not by going on a forum and posting complaints."

He stated the above in response to my barrage of sending him all the Jeep Wrangler Hood Latch Flutter/Failure complaints now listed on the NHTSA.gov website, thinking they were forum complaints, lol. I quickly corrected him that those complaints actually do drive recalls contrary to his statement....
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Capturing video of the issue seems like a more plausible way to verify what we know to be true. Mount a GoPro on the fender and drive anywhere in West Texas above 65mph and you'll get it every time.
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Installed my Daystar hood wranglers this AM. If you aren't ready to replace the latches, this is definitely the way to go. Took less than 10 minutes.

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I am told today that “Chrysler Corp engineers are working with the dealership.”
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Installed my Daystar hood wranglers this AM. If you aren't ready to replace the latches, this is definitely the way to go. Took less than 10 minutes.

I thought about going with Daystars when I replaced my latches simply due to cost, but honestly I was afraid I'd be right back in the same boat a short time later. I figured I'd replace the entire latch and just solve the problem.
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I thought about going with Daystars when I replaced my latches simply due to cost, but honestly I was afraid I'd be right back in the same boat a short time later. I figured I'd replace the entire latch and just solve the problem.
I don't think these things will be stretching out like the stock "dog bones" any time soon. I could barely get my hood closed.
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Capturing video of the issue seems like a more plausible way to verify what we know to be true. Mount a GoPro on the fender and drive anywhere in West Texas above 65mph and you'll get it every time.
that would be nicer than showing them the brown stains in our undershorts! going to talk with my dealer about this before i buy the jl latches. heading out for a road trip in a few weeks, no way am i doing that without different latches
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I don't think these things will be stretching out like the stock "dog bones" any time soon. I could barely get my hood closed.
That's what I've heard and they will probably last longer than I own the Jeep. However, it's still rubber on a part that is exposed to as much "junk" as possible. I just felt better going in a different direction.
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