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Old 05-16-2017, 08:21 PM
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Just another winch question

I'm sure this gets asked often, however a lot of peoples cases are different, and with new products/etc, would rather post up and get a fresh opinion.

I am running a '07 JK and looking to put a LOD front bumper on with a winch shortly. It's normally a daily driver however we will be taking it to Colorado in mid-June to do some trails and on occasion elsewhere to do some off-roading. So the winch won't be hugely used... however I would like to have something just in case.

I'm looking into Warn as it is highly regarded, and looking at the Warn Zeon 10 to be precise. So here are a few questions.

1) Steel or Synethic for my case? I've heard Synthetic requires more maintenance and adds a lot more of a cost, however it is a lot lighter and supposedly safer. Thoughts on this? I figured steel considering the limited use with the understanding not to be near it as a bystander and if it breaks, SOL as far as repair there.

2) What to do about submersion/rain? Rain, I imagine I can just throw a cover on. How about submersion though? Plan on going through the Medano Pass in Colorado and there are some water pockets. What should I expect here?

3) Saw Warn has a rebate going on. Do I have to order through somewhere special or would ordering from Northridge4x4 qualify? I ask as this is where I plan to order the bumper from... if you have other vendor recommendations, let me know.

4) Zeon 10 a good choice or have another suggestion?

Think this is majority of what I have to ask.

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The Zeon 10 is an awesome winch, I have the zeon10S also I'm not sure about the bumper ur getting but the zeon 10, would be the widest winch you can fid between ur jeep frame, that is if its gonna sit between the frame or ontop of the bumper winch plate.

The things I hate about steel cable is well the danger of it snapping but there is common sense to use and know how well ur winch can pull and such.

Another thing I dislike is when the winch steel cable starts to bind up on it self if ur pulling from a side point, this can damage the line and cause splinters in the line.

On my 98 Cherokee I have a steel line but I winch and I know my limit and how hard to press on the winch its an m8000 tho.

My jk has the zeon 10s and what I love about the synthetic line is of course its safety if it does break, another thing is how smooth it is to wined in or out also it doesn't bind and cause splinters if it over laps on it self.

the bad about synthetic is yes you got to clean it if u sub it in muddy water, also the sun rays can really cause damage and weaken then rope if its in direct sunlight

another thing to keep In mind is when winching with the rope is to make sure no sharp edges hit it or it rubbing on rocks and such that can cut it real fast.

Steel= cheaper to replace
synthetic= more expensive to replace but how much is safety worth to you?

but like any responsible winch user will always take steps to keep him self/her self and others away from any winch line or anything, when I winch I always have my hood up with steel or synthetic

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The Zeon 10 is an awesome winch, I have the zeon10S also I'm not sure about the bumper ur getting but the zeon 10, would be the widest winch you can fid between ur jeep frame, that is if its gonna sit between the frame or ontop of the bumper winch plate.

The things I hate about steel cable is well the danger of it snapping but there is common sense to use and know how well ur winch can pull and such.

Another thing I dislike is when the winch steel cable starts to bind up on it self if ur pulling from a side point, this can damage the line and cause splinters in the line.

On my 98 Cherokee I have a steel line but I winch and I know my limit and how hard to press on the winch its an m8000 tho.

My jk has the zeon 10s and what I love about the synthetic line is of course its safety if it does break, another thing is how smooth it is to wined in or out also it doesn't bind and cause splinters if it over laps on it self.

the bad about synthetic is yes you got to clean it if u sub it in muddy water, also the sun rays can really cause damage and weaken then rope if its in direct sunlight

another thing to keep In mind is when winching with the rope is to make sure no sharp edges hit it or it rubbing on rocks and such that can cut it real fast.

Steel= cheaper to replace
synthetic= more expensive to replace but how much is safety worth to you?

but like any responsible winch user will always take steps to keep him self/her self and others away from any winch line or anything, when I winch I always have my hood up with steel or synthetic

good luck
Yeah, I wouldn't intend on having anyone close to the line in case of a break. Hopefully maybe a cover would help alleviate the UV rays damaging the synthetic? Should I expect any other cleaning other than after an offroad session?

As I said, the winch may go a year+ between uses but would just like a quality item in case I do run into an issue when we take a trip somewhere to offroad. Just a struggle debating if that extra $2-300 is worth it.
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I think you hit on it with your last comment:

"As I said, the winch may go a year+ between uses"

Synthetic is nice... it's easy on the hands, easier to spool... it doesn't give you the same abrasion protection as steel but if you are going to be pulling at weird angles dangling over rock you are going to want some kind of protection no matter what you are using.

For occasional use, the new Warn VR gives you a similar look to the Zeon for quite a bit less.
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:42 PM   #5
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Zeon is a nice winch,way over kill for what you are looking for
I've had excellent experiences with smittybuilt and engo winches. Great winches for half the price
The lower end warn winches like the VR are just as good as engo or smitty but cost double for the w up front
I'd only get the zeon if I was planning constant long hard pulls, but for the once a year use a smitty, engo or quadratec winch will do just fine
Just like every other piece of safety equipment, it should be inspected and tested before use/trip

As for line, I run synthetic on both our jeeps. The kids are usually with us when we're are wheeling and they love to help run line and rope is so much safer to handle compared to wire


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Definitely get synthetic line and just be sure to get a winch cover to protect from UV rays.

I originally had a steel cable on my winch and just pulling it out and reeling it back in and trying to get an even spool can be a major chore. In addition to the safety aspect, Synth rope is so much easier to work with due to the added flexibility and lighter weight and not to mention it's stronger. Make sure you get synth rope that has covers on both ends. One end cover will protect the rope from getting damaged by the drum for initial spooling and the other will protect the end that's hanging out and not protected by your winch cover.
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I have a Warn M8000s - synthetic line, Made in the USA (if the matters to you). Mine is strictly for self rescue - hope I never have to use it except to occasionally re-spool the line.....I have a neoprene cover on it to protect the line from the elements.
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Thanks for everyones insight. I'm going to look into this winch, seems to have pretty good reviews and since it will be very lightly used may be a better buy for the pricepoint. The Zeon 10s may be a bit high according to the wife... however I am trying to squeeze her for all I am worth. haha Or I'll look into similar priced Warn synthetic (if there are any) considering they have a rebate going on.

Smittybilt (98510) X2O Waterproof Synthetic Rope Winch - 10000 lb. Load Capacity

If you guys have more input, throw it out there. I'm interested in hearing.
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Of you can afford a winch that'll never get used, you can afford synthetic. If you don't want to spend money on a neoprene winch cover that'll look like crap in a year, anyway, just cover the line with a golf towel. My LoD even had a handy hole that I use to clip the towel to the bumper.

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I've got the Engo 9000S (synthetic) mounted in a full width LOD and keep it covered. It gets used once or twice a year, with maintenance being minimal, especially if you keep it covered. Warn is a good product, especially if you use it a lot, but I don't, so I saved some cash, but still have a decent winch with synthetic rope, when I need it.
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Thanks for everyones insight. I'm going to look into this winch, seems to have pretty good reviews and since it will be very lightly used may be a better buy for the pricepoint. The Zeon 10s may be a bit high according to the wife... however I am trying to squeeze her for all I am worth. haha Or I'll look into similar priced Warn synthetic (if there are any) considering they have a rebate going on.

Smittybilt (98510) X2O Waterproof Synthetic Rope Winch - 10000 lb. Load Capacity

If you guys have more input, throw it out there. I'm interested in hearing.
A lot of us are very happy using the Harbor Freight Badlands 12K winch if budget/limited use is a concern. It's the same winch as the previously mentioned Engo's at a lower price. I have it, I additionally got their wireless controller remote, 95' of 3/8" synth rope, aluminum fairlead, and neoprene cover all for less than $500.
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A lot of us are very happy using the Harbor Freight Badlands 12K winch if budget/limited use is a concern. It's the same winch as the previously mentioned Engo's at a lower price. I have it, I additionally got their wireless controller remote, 95' of 3/8" synth rope, aluminum fairlead, and neoprene cover all for less than $500.


Always forget about the badlands, every review they seem to get the best bang for your buck award


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Thanks for everyones insight. I'm going to look into this winch, seems to have pretty good reviews and since it will be very lightly used may be a better buy for the pricepoint. The Zeon 10s may be a bit high according to the wife... however I am trying to squeeze her for all I am worth. haha Or I'll look into similar priced Warn synthetic (if there are any) considering they have a rebate going on.



Smittybilt (98510) X2O Waterproof Synthetic Rope Winch - 10000 lb. Load Capacity



If you guys have more input, throw it out there. I'm interested in hearing.


I know a couple guys running the smitty winches and love them
Have proved themselves time and time again, even at -30 they ran with no issues

Don't bother with the lower end warns like the m series or new VR, which is getting terrible reviews. The other brand winches are just as good, if not better at half the price


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