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Old 02-29-2016, 01:43 PM
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LED Halo Headlights - Too Bright?

I just put in Halo Headlights which are 45 watt (2400 lumen on low beam). I rode around for 30 minutes at dark yesterday and got flashed once. Depending on angle, I think they may be a tad bright so I am wondering if you guys could shed some "light" on the subject?

I am wondering if it would be a good idea to get a tint paper and place it over the headlights would help cut down intensity. Would I sacrifice most of the benefit of an LED headlight driving on country roads? The look of the halo turning Amber while turning may look different with a tint film over it (unless I don't cover the whole thing and just the headlamp.

Or am I just over reacting and this level of intensity is standard on these lights?

Thanks for your thoughts..

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Did you aim them after you installed them?

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Did you aim them after you installed them?
yes, aimed as per stock.

Not sure if given the height (35s" w 2.5" lift) I am more likely to blind on coming traffic at certain distance vs a car driving in front of me.
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What brand are they? Are they even a legal/legit light?
It's really dangerous to hit oncoming drivers with excessive glare. Lots of people out there with cataracts....
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What does the light beam/pattern look like when you're 25' or so away from a wall/garage door?
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What brand are they? Are they even a legal/legit light?
It's really dangerous to hit oncoming drivers with excessive glare. Lots of people out there with cataracts....
im genuinely curious, what does the extra light coming from the people with hid's in a stock housing do to someone with cataracts? i don't have cataracts and it bugs the outta me.
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What does the light beam/pattern look like when you're 25' or so away from a wall/garage door?
Will have to test...
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im genuinely curious, what does the extra light coming from the people with hid's in a stock housing do to someone with cataracts? i don't have cataracts and it bugs the outta me.
I have mild/early cataracts from chemoradiation and it creates lines, streaks, and halos, depending on the assault vector and how bad the lights are.
Trust me; it's dangerous.
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I used to not be a big believer on the whole DOT compliant issue. Lately I have been seeing more and more Jeeps and other vehicles that obviously have aftermarket lights that are either way too bright or way too much light being projected into oncoming traffic. Granted my Jeep is stock, but still I am up higher than most cars. I would hate to see what all these lights look like from the vantage of a Civic or other "car".

So hopefully these lights you have are DOT approved or at least have a decent cutoff of light. If so you can adjust them up/down to move that cutoff so where it is not as blinding to oncoming traffic.

With that said my headlights are the Cibbie E-code housings, so not DOT compliant but they do have a very sharp cutoff and they are aimed properly.
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Yes, my lights are DOT approved and can be adjusted. Now they are set to what my stock lights were aimed. This said, want to make sure I am not blinding anyone.

Does anyone know if covering the lamps with tinted paper works well to reduce intensity without looking "rigged"?
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Yes, my lights are DOT approved and can be adjusted. Now they are set to what my stock lights were aimed. This said, want to make sure I am not blinding anyone.

Does anyone know if covering the lamps with tinted paper works well to reduce intensity without looking "rigged"?
Don't do anything until you know exactly what the beam pattern looks like.
If it looks like this, with a crisp, sharp cutoff:



adjust your lights so that the top of the beam is about 2" lower than the centre line of your headlights, at approx. 25'.

If it looks more like this:



pull them out and throw them in the garbage, as no amount of adjusting will fix it.
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You might still want to check the alignment/aiming of the headlamps. Depending on your Jeep your stock lamps may not have been aimed correctly. If you have any lift, larger tires, etc. your stock aiming could be way off. The best procedure I have seen is from Daniel Stern. You can see the procedure here.

Also if you just mean that you have not adjusted the lamps from the stock positions, they would most likely be off just by using a different headlight. When I put in my Cibbie housings I had to adjust them down a couple inches.

If you still want to look at the film, I have used Lamin-X film for my fog lamps. I wanted yellow lamps and was not finding what I wanted. The film has help up very well. It has been on my Jeep for at least 2 years through Chicago winters/salt with no signs of any issues.

They offer all sorts of colors from clear (protection from rocks), smoke, yellow, amber, etc.

adamo99 has very nice HID lights with the best cutoff I have seen. My Cibbies are not that good, but still have a very distinct cutoff. If your lights do not have a clear cutoff, but you still want to use them I would suggest aiming them down significantly to lower the beam and reduce the splatter. This is what I would do first. Sure the film will reduce the glare to the oncoming traffic, but it is also going to reduce the light output for your own visibilty.
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Thanks a lot schirmyver... Appreciate your thoughts.
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i think a lot of people just aren't use to LED headlights and their brightness and will flash regardless if they're getting blinded or not. Also going over a hill, turning, etc. if a person is looking directly into the light they will get blinded. Are they the Lantsun brand by chance?
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i think a lot of people just aren't use to LED headlights and their brightness and will flash regardless if they're getting blinded or not.
That's just not correct. My 50W HIDs are brighter than any LED (and most HID) system, but they are aimed correctly, and I haven't been flashed once.
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Update: drove again in dark and not one person flashed me.

Btw these are unbranded replicas of JW Speaker. For the money these look very nice but I just need to make sure they are pointed correctly.
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Yes, my lights are DOT approved and can be adjusted. Now they are set to what my stock lights were aimed. This said, want to make sure I am not blinding anyone.

Does anyone know if covering the lamps with tinted paper works well to reduce intensity without looking "rigged"?
You shouldn't put any other lens or filter over a DOT-compliant lamp. It would probably not be compliant anymore.

And JWS knock-offs are likely not compliant anyhow....
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What does the light beam/pattern look like when you're 25' or so away from a wall/garage door?
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Can you tell me if the pattern seen here is good or bad? I am still not sure they are aimed right but not a single flash today!
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What does the light beam/pattern look like when you're 25' or so away from a wall/garage door?
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Can you tell me if the pattern seen here is good or bad? I am still not sure they are aimed right but not a single flash today!

Note: I am at a sloped driveway so it seems to be high.
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Can you tell me if the pattern seen here is good or bad? I am still not sure they are aimed right but not a single flash today!
Hard to tall without seeing a proper beam pattern, on a level surface. Based on the image here, the light leaking above the cutoff doesn't appear to be too bad at all.
There is a lot more to beam pattern than just cutoff though- those appear to have distinct hotspots, which may not provide the best lighting on the roadway. How do they look on the road?
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Problem is that most people don't adjust them properly, if you are getting flashed... odds are you don't have them adjusted properly. Be mindful that if you have a big lift and tires even with the formula of 2" under center, you are not going to want to exceed your headlights being over 3 feet high when you are 25 feet away.
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Hard to tall without seeing a proper beam pattern, on a level surface. Based on the image here, the light leaking above the cutoff doesn't appear to be too bad at all.
There is a lot more to beam pattern than just cutoff though- those appear to have distinct hotspots, which may not provide the best lighting on the roadway. How do they look on the road?
I can honestly tell you, the light omitted is really really good. I think they are actual pointed down as the road right in front of me is a really nice clean light. However, even down road - the signs, the road markings and everything looks much much better than stock lights. Hence my concern that they would be too bright. But maybe it's just relative to other vehicles that don't have LEDs. As mentioned, I am being really attentive to other drivers in front of me to see if they adjust their mirrors or block theme of aboid blinding. As per on coming traffic, only got flashed 1 time in about total 1 hr of night time driving.

I will make sure they are aimed right in any case, but very pleased with the beam.
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You shouldn't put any other lens or filter over a DOT-compliant lamp. It would probably not be compliant anymore.

And JWS knock-offs are likely not compliant anyhow....
This.

Tinted headlights are not legal and if they are simple knock-offs, they have not been DOT tested and approved (even if they went to far as to copy the DOT approval stamp). Each brand of light and each type of light has to undergo compliance testing by US DOT to be legit. Alibaba and other Chinese companies are flooding the market with counterfeit products faster than CBP can keep up.

Hilldweller knows his auto lighting.
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Thx 2five22, I am not going the tint route. I just need to confirm they are aimed right.

As per knock off quality, they are miles better than the stock lights so I am very pleased with them. At a fraction of JWS retail, they are well worth it.
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However, even down road - the signs, the road markings and everything looks much much better than stock lights.
This is the part that concerns me a bit.

If your headlights are illuminating signs that other vehicles are not, the cutoff may not be that clear and the headlights are spraying light out and up, and/or they are aimed a bit too high.

If the light is hitting signs it shouldn't, it is making to other drivers at eye level also.

Go to a large parking lot after dark, like a Walmart or something, park 25-50' away from a dark wall, on a level surface. That will give you a much better idea of where the headlights are putting up light.

Did you get the horizontal adjustment screws? They make a big difference in aligning your lights so you have proper coverage in front of your vehicle.
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Hhm, I want to say the signs lighting up are a good distance. I will find a dark road and take a picture so you can judge for yourself.

All right, I will go to parking lot and see how they look too. Will take a picture at 25'.

I can just go to a gas station and ask them to confirm the aim is right, if not have them do it for me to ensure I don't screw it up. But yes, they do have the adjustment screw to answer your question.

Btw- thx for all your help. I appreciate taking time to respond and I will do in kind to help others when I can.
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I have my Halo DRL set to turn off when the main LED headlight is on, DRL on when headlights are off. Also, I aimed mine 3" lower than stock to avoid being flashed. The distance between my JK and the garage was 25ft when adjusting the headlight level. Still able to see down the road and have not been flashed once.



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[QUOTE=mnml;24413649]I have my Halo DRL set to turn off when the main LED headlight is on, DRL on when headlights are off. Also, I aimed mine 3" lower than stock to avoid being flashed. The distance between my JK and the garage was 25ft when adjusting the headlight level. Still able to see down the road and have not been flashed once.

thx MNML, may try 3" adjustment although after taking a good look a few min ago, I can say the lights were bright but not blinding.

Here is my throw, thoughts?
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That doesn't look too bad at all.
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Hhm, I want to say the signs lighting up are a good distance. I will find a dark road and take a picture so you can judge for yourself.

All right, I will go to parking lot and see how they look too. Will take a picture at 25'.

I can just go to a gas station and ask them to confirm the aim is right, if not have them do it for me to ensure I don't screw it up. But yes, they do have the adjustment screw to answer your question.

Btw- thx for all your help. I appreciate taking time to respond and I will do in kind to help others when I can.
They have one adjustment screw per light? If the answer to that is yes then the answer to adamo99 is no. If you are the original owner and have never added an adjustment screw then you only have up down adjustment capability and will need to add a horizontal screw to head headlight to aim them properly. My guess on this is you have glare due to a bad beam pattern. When you find that wall to take a picture against take one a little close than 25 ft as well, 5-10ft.

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