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Old 08-16-2015, 09:52 AM   #31
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My Hella cutoff is very sharp and clean for a halogen housing and lamp. I am using the X-Treme Power +80's.

I can't give any detail on the IPF other than they haven't performed particularly well in the instrumented tests that I have seen.
I'm kind of thinking at this point that the +130 may be over-lighting the Hella housing, and possibly the IPF needed that extra light output to fill the housing properly./?

Not sure really, but I may try different lamps in the Hella to give them a fair shake. Right now, the IPF Housing and the Phillips +130 lamp look the best, visually. I may try the lamps that came with the Hella housing tonight, just to try a different lamp and see how the cutoff performs.

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I'm interested to see if anyone chimes in that has the Delta H4s. I read a review on Amazon that said he had to get used to the high beam pattern. He was right as as the lows are so much better than the stock, the highs on mine threw a weird patten. Almost like there are dark spots. I later adjusted then down after the leveling kit went in and the lows lit up the road nicely, highs were still odd. Input the +130s in and it improved the lows even more, but also made the highs worse. Not sure if playing with the adjustment would help or the Deltas just don't throw a good high beam.

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Not sure if everyone on here knows about the horizontal screws you can buy for like $6 from mopar part#55078114aa it helps with adjustments.
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This is the IPF housing I previously purchased.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00..._detailpages00

Along with this Phillips lamp.

Amazon.com: Philips X-treme Vision +130% Headlight Bulbs (Pack of 2) (H4 60/55W): Automotive

And this is the Hella housing I purchased. Spoke to Hella directy via customer querie since they sell direct on Amazon.

Amazon.com: HELLA 002395801 Vision Plus 165mm 12V High/Low Beam Halogen Conversion Headlamp Kit (H4 ECE): Automotive


The IPF has a defined stepped cutoff. The Hella does not. At least not with my current Phillips +130 lamps.
Those IPFs are illegal and unfocused and usually result in undesirable beam patterns. If you're seeing a sharp cut-off, you're rare.
Try a little smoke test with them. Dark night, turn them on, put a smoke source under them, look for light patterns pointing up rather than forward.


Those look like the right Hellas but anything is possible from Amazon. And the bulbs are good bulbs. I mistook your +130 reference for 130 watt. My bad.
I've never used those in an H4, never tested them. I only had access to the Xtreme Power series and they worked very well.


I can't internet-answer for you. I'd have to stick a meter in front of them to see what's going on. What you're describing is completely contrary to anything I (or anybody else) ever measured....
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Those IPFs are illegal and unfocused and usually result in undesirable beam patterns. If you're seeing a sharp cut-off, you're rare.
Try a little smoke test with them. Dark night, turn them on, put a smoke source under them, look for light patterns pointing up rather than forward.


Those look like the right Hellas but anything is possible from Amazon. And the bulbs are good bulbs. I mistook your +130 reference for 130 watt. My bad.
I've never used those in an H4, never tested them. I only had access to the Xtreme Power series and they worked very well.


I can't internet-answer for you. I'd have to stick a meter in front of them to see what's going on. What you're describing is completely contrary to anything I (or anybody else) ever measured....
Thank you Bill. I will say, I put the lamps in that came with the Hella housings last night, and the cutoff is much better. The lamps are Hella branded 12V55. I may experiment with the Phillips +80 that everyone else seems to use with the Hella, and compare the two with the IPF housings and the Phillips +130.

At this point I'm guessing that the mixing and matching of lamps and housings is a crapshoot at best. I'll try to take some pictures of the two once I get the new lamps in.

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Thanks for the post! Hopefully they work well and are cheaper than alternative LED lighting.

I ran out of time this weekend but I will be doing my Cibie H4 swap sometime this week and switching over to Phillips Xtreme Power 80s. I will post up results when I complete the install and take it out when it's dark.
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Jason,
FWIW, when I tested the IPFs, Cibies, and Hellas back-2-back-2-back, they all performed differently with different bulbs. There should really be no difference in beams, only the amount of light between brands. An H4 is supposed to match any other H4 for filament placement.

Philips usually has the best focus and best light quality. They did the best for me in Hellas. This Osram bulb did the best for me in Cibie buckets ---- but with a full bypass harness. They really suck the juice and shouldn't be used on stock wiring.

Hella doesn't make their own bulbs and you usually can do better...
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That looks promising.
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Nice to see the potential positive results on this H4 replacement. I'm surprised that other "LED MFG's" haven't gone down this path. It looks like a gold mine...


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That looks promising.
Definitely agree!
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So it made its way to our shores already.
Wonder if it's any good though?
I pinged Virgil to see if he has intel on the photometry. I hope it's a winner...
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So when will these be available to purchase?
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So when will these be available to purchase?
It currently appears to only be available offshore, like Australia....
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So it made its way to our shores already.
Wonder if it's any good though?
I pinged Virgil to see if he has intel on the photometry. I hope it's a winner...
Definitely still following!
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Definitely still following!
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I've had some test bench and night-driving time with the Philips H4 retrofit bulb in a selection of various headlamps. It's not a universal fits-in-all/works-in-all drop-in, but it works surprisingly well in some headlamps and is definitely the best product of its type for the time being. I can't say much more right now.
Which translates to a partial thumbs-up.
I think we'll have to try them in specific lamps. Might work well in a Hella but not a Cibie; might work in the Koito and nothing else.

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They're doing what they can to emulate the filament placement, but the large body also introduces shadowing and optical noise.

And wait 'til the copycats come out...
A halogen source has a nice 360* spread of light from the kernal. The LED can do some tricks but there's going to be gaps here and there.
...for now....

Alaric makes a very valid point. The copycats, the Chinese crap already available, will cost less. And people tend to buy cheap things that almost work, justifying the lack of performance against the cost savings.
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Which translates to a partial thumbs-up.
I think we'll have to try them in specific lamps. Might work well in a Hella but not a Cibie; might work in the Koito and nothing else.



A halogen source has a nice 360* spread of light from the kernal. The LED can do some tricks but there's going to be gaps here and there.
...for now....

Alaric makes a very valid point. The copycats, the Chinese crap already available, will cost less. And people tend to buy cheap things that almost work, justifying the lack of performance against the cost savings.
Thanks for the update. Yeah I would hope to hear they fit in Cibies since I just put those on. If they don't fit I'll stick with my halogens for now.
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I think we'll have to try them in specific lamps. Might work well in a Hella but not a Cibie; might work in the Koito and nothing else.
Why not in the Cibies?
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Why not in the Cibies?
With the halogen bulb, it's like a size 10 shoe for a size 10 mannequin foot; perfect fit all the time.
With the LED bulb, the shape has more to do with it. The size 10 is no longer universal ---- maybe the Cibie is a little wider in one spot than the Koito, maybe the Hella has a different characteristic to the lens.
That sort of thing.

We'll have to see.
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I understand. Hence why I still have a dark spot on my Cibie? Maybe this will fix that!
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Any update on this? I had the SMS Hella H4 full harness kit in my 08, and I'm ready to do something similar in my 14- would like to know if the H4 LED is ready (and which housing to use)...
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Ok, it looks like these are showing up on some retailer websites...

But at this price point, they are probably hard to justify. The engineering seems to be there and with the right reflector, the output could very well be great. There is some question about the lumen output, it seems to be lower than expected. If it is, then what have we gained?

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Meh....
Reviving this thread but any update? Has anyone tried these? How much are they? Is one better off Savin up for JWS?

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