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Old 02-14-2016, 08:46 PM
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Lift or level?

Don't post much, but lurk around quite a bit after having my jeep for a few months (2015 anvil JKU sport). Just ordered new wheels (mammoth boulders) and will be getting new tires pretty soon (33" ko2's). I am still debating on a lift, and I originally planned on a 2.5 inch BB. After seeing plenty of images of both JKU's with 33's and 2.5 inch lifts as well as leveling kits, I like how both look. A little background on what my intended use for my jeep is. I am mostly wandering down forest service roads, washes, sand and roads that are a little rougher than the average dirt road a sedan can get down. Not planning on doing any rock crawling so figure I don't need to worry too much about flexing except for steep hills or washouts. Just wondering what would be logical and sufficient for this type of use. Obviously a leveling kit would be cheaper, but wondering if that is enough for more overland type stuff. Or, should I just focus on the 2.5 inch BB. Any help or suggestions are greatly appreciated. Thanks.

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Either will work. You'll have more clearance with the 2.5 inch spacers but you get a modest lift if you go with something like the Teraflex 1.5 inch leveling kit. One inch rear and two in the front for 1.5 average. Nice compromise and if you want the performance version includes springs instead of pucks for about $200 more.

At 1.5 inches, you don't need new shocks. Nice to have but not necessary, especially for your kind of off roading. With a 2.5 BB shocks are recommended and you might get some minor flighty steering and some brake dive. YMMV. From what I've seen it's not a huge issue. With 2.5 inch spring that actually give about 3.5 inches of lift, it is an issue and you need to correct it. With the 1.5 inch kit, it should ride and handle great.

The TF 1.5 inch leveling kit is under $200 and you don't really need anything else. If you want new shocks of the proper length, Rancho 9000XL's are great shocks and they should have their spring rebate (buy 3 and get 4, iirc) coming soon.

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Thanks flyfishnevada,

I am slowly leaning more towards a leveling kit just to keep cost down and do some interior camping mods later on. It seems most people like the TF kit (which was probably the brand I was gonna go with for a BB). I was also looking at the mammoth leveling kit, which are steel coil spacers, not sure if the TF is the same material?
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Thanks flyfishnevada, I am slowly leaning more towards a leveling kit just to keep cost down and do some interior camping mods later on. It seems most people like the TF kit (which was probably the brand I was gonna go with for a BB). I was also looking at the mammoth leveling kit, which are steel coil spacers, not sure if the TF is the same material?
they're poly. Does the mammoth come with the links?
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I just purchased the tf leveling kit. I plan to install it next week. I did not want much lift but do not like the factory rake. I have thought about going up in tire size to 285/70 17. However I will stick with the oem size for now. I do some light off-roading, (fire trails, dirt roads, ext.). I have done these trails in my stock jeep and am happy with the performance. The jeep is amazing on its own. So its about the rake for now. If my jeep plans change later it was not a major investment.
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they're poly. Does the mammoth come with the links?
I believe it is just the coil spacers, no links included.
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That's the dilemma, i also cannot decide on which lift to get if I go that course. A friend of mine said he could get me a good deal on a BDS kit, but not sure. Just don't want to overdo it if I don't need to.
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I just purchased the tf leveling kit. I plan to install it next week. I did not want much lift but do not like the factory rake. I have thought about going up in tire size to 285/70 17. However I will stick with the oem size for now. I do some light off-roading, (fire trails, dirt roads, ext.). I have done these trails in my stock jeep and am happy with the performance. The jeep is amazing on its own. So its about the rake for now. If my jeep plans change later it was not a major investment.
I'm not planning on any major off-roading. I have already taken my stock rig out to some remote places, but there were many times I wish I had a bit more clearance and better tires with better traction.
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That's the dilemma, i also cannot decide on which lift to get if I go that course. A friend of mine said he could get me a good deal on a BDS kit, but not sure. Just don't want to overdo it if I don't need to.
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Either will work. You'll have more clearance with the 2.5 inch spacers but you get a modest lift if you go with something like the Teraflex 1.5 inch leveling kit. One inch rear and two in the front for 1.5 average. Nice compromise and if you want the performance version includes springs instead of pucks for about $200 more. At 1.5 inches, you don't need new shocks. Nice to have but not necessary, especially for your kind of off roading. With a 2.5 BB shocks are recommended and you might get some minor flighty steering and some brake dive. YMMV. From what I've seen it's not a huge issue. With 2.5 inch spring that actually give about 3.5 inches of lift, it is an issue and you need to correct it. With the 1.5 inch kit, it should ride and handle great. The TF 1.5 inch leveling kit is under $200 and you don't really need anything else. If you want new shocks of the proper length, Rancho 9000XL's are great shocks and they should have their spring rebate (buy 3 and get 4, iirc) coming soon.
Instead of knocking dumb logic I'll just quote the most useful post so far. Vendors here can get you the leveling kit for about $150.

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I started out with some pucks. First big mud hole that flexed my rig and one puck was floating around in the mud. Took me 1/2 hr to find the ______ and then I had to limp out lopsided. That's when I did it the right way with the OME springs, etc...
If it's your grocery getter, who cares, right?
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I started out with some pucks. First big mud hole that flexed my rig and one puck was floating around in the mud. Took me 1/2 hr to find the ______ and then I had to limp out lopsided. That's when I did it the right way with the OME springs, etc...
If it's your grocery getter, who cares, right?
So what you are saying is that it flexed soo much that the spring flew off and the rubber isolator also came off of the bump stop and one of the pucks came out as well but the spring(which had to have flown out for all the rest to happen) didn't come out and the isolator and second puck stayed in??

man thats some bad luck right there.
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Pretty much. The spring started to pop out due to flex, and the puck went bye bye. The spring was still half on the upper bracket so I popped it back in, minus the puck. Only thing that kept the spring from coming all the way out was the "too short" brake lines. I've since gone with longer SS lines and longer OME springs. Point is, if you're serious about wheeling you shouldn't cheap out on the important things like suspension. In my opinion, the foo foo crap can always wait.
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So what you are saying is that it flexed soo much that the spring flew off and the rubber isolator also came off of the bump stop and one of the pucks came out as well but the spring(which had to have flown out for all the rest to happen) didn't come out and the isolator and second puck stayed in?? man thats some bad luck right there.
Sounds like the Seinfeld magic loogie
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Sounds like the Seinfeld magic loogie
LOL, remember the Seinfeld masturbation episode?
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I installed the rk1.5 springs on my jku thinking I'm only going 33s and the coils would be great for 33s and removing rake. The last time offroad we went up some steep ridgesand on a few of them I wound up being thankful for my sliders. I'm still on the stock 32s so 33s would help a little for breaker but in hindsight I wish I went 2.5.I have the tf rear axle side trackbar bracket and my shocks are long enough I'm just getting longer coils and geometry correction brackets. You could do a similar build and use shock extensions to save money until you're ready to replace shocks.
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Just to be clear, spacer lifts are completely safe. If your spacer comes off, it wasn't installed right. I ran a two inch spacer lift on my TJ for three years and even added the rubber isolators back in to level it out. They are cheap, provide lift and/or leveling and are safe for all levels of off roading.

For about $150 you can't go wrong. If you change your mind, sell the kit on ebay and go back to stock or upgrade to coils.
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Installed the leveling kit today. I drove it around town and at highway speeds. I did not notice any change in handling. Overall I am very happy with it. This is before.
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I installed my kit this past weekend as well.
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