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Old 07-17-2019, 02:20 PM
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Linex interior on my jku

I’m wanting to take out my carpet and linex the tub of my 15 jku. I started looking and the wires aren’t up under the rail like I assumed they were. What are you guys using to help hide and protect the wires?

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I’m wanting to take out my carpet and linex the tub of my 15 jku. I started looking and the wires aren’t up under the rail like I assumed they were. What are you guys using to help hide and protect the wires?
Forget line X - go with Upol Raptor liner, much cheaper and just as good. You can buy it on Amazon and do it yourself.

Following - want to do the same.

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Definitely get it line x'd.....you'll love it....I put some wire loom around mine but mine is up under the rails kinda.....can you take a pic for us?
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I’ll send pictures when I can get to it. Jeep has the carpet it still and packed for work.
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Is there any "off gassing" issues with those bed liners.
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Is there any "off gassing" issues with those bed liners.

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Is there any "off gassing" issues with those bed liners.
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I seriously doubt there would be a problem after they are dry.

The article linked above isn't very good at anything other than fear mongering. What were the ppm concentrations of each compound measured? How long after application was it measured, or is this just a subjective "it had a strong smell" type of article.

I want to see data - Just applied PPM, after 24 hours and after 72 hours... then I'll consider it useable.

They also talk about polyurethane as a major problem as its a component in the coating... ummm.... polyurethane is used all over indoors for furniture, flooring and other finishes.

I would argue that a newly refinished hardwood floor, or an epoxied tabletop will cause more issues as its in your home with you 24/7..

I would say, if you get the interior bedlined and want to play it safe - take the top off and park it in the garage for a few days while it offgasses..

(As an aside - I used to do USEPA Air VOC testing as part of my internship and ran hydrocarbon analyzers at automotive paint plants all over the country to verify our air scrubbers were passing reg's... I've been in buildings where the concentration was so high the air was almost flammable...)

Just a followup - after looking at the article again: I think this is just a long advertisement for the Lizardskin product TBH... As its water based and "less harmful"..
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I did Herculiner recently in a 2dr

Only wires that weren't off the tub floor were the ones running under the seats and actually connected to the seats, Airbag weight sensors and I do have heated seats.
I do plan to add some wire loom and still get tight into the corner areas.
It is a process and take your time and prep everything very well, everything you are coating will need scuffed.
I pulled the carpet on Thursday, started scuffing on Friday, had the first coat down by 1pm on Saturday.
After scuffing use a good aggressive cleaner, I used Acetone.
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If you go with LineX, ask about re-sprays including the UV protectant. The shop I used (for my pickup truck) will re-spray any time, no questions asked, and they suggested I come back every 18 to 24 months for a re-spray of the UV protectant at no charge. Few shops offered any of that, but my guy said they're all supposed to per LineX rules.

I don't know about the other products mentioned, but I used to do my truck beds with Rhino Liner. Turns out it's the same thing as LineX except Rhino Liner allows their dealers to water it down a lot more, resulting in a less durable coating. I was told that by a guy who offers both products at the same price. In my experience the Rhino Liner dealers also try to upsell you on a little squirt-bottle of expensive UV protectant. The two trucks I had Rhino Liner in had a lot of gouges after a few years. Not the case with LineX (and similar real-world usage). Rhino was always noticeably softer.

When I find my JK it'll get LineX but my wife looked at me like I was crazy when I asked if she wanted to keep the carpet.
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Awesome. Thanks guys. I’ll take it somewhere to get it done. A little time consuming for me right now to do on my own
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I seriously doubt there would be a problem after they are dry.

The article linked above isn't very good at anything other than fear mongering. What were the ppm concentrations of each compound measured? How long after application was it measured, or is this just a subjective "it had a strong smell" type of article.

I want to see data - Just applied PPM, after 24 hours and after 72 hours... then I'll consider it useable.

They also talk about polyurethane as a major problem as its a component in the coating... ummm.... polyurethane is used all over indoors for furniture, flooring and other finishes.

I would argue that a newly refinished hardwood floor, or an epoxied tabletop will cause more issues as its in your home with you 24/7..

I would say, if you get the interior bedlined and want to play it safe - take the top off and park it in the garage for a few days while it offgasses..

(As an aside - I used to do USEPA Air VOC testing as part of my internship and ran hydrocarbon analyzers at automotive paint plants all over the country to verify our air scrubbers were passing reg's... I've been in buildings where the concentration was so high the air was almost flammable...)

Just a followup - after looking at the article again: I think this is just a long advertisement for the Lizardskin product TBH... As its water based and "less harmful"..
Some people are more sensitive to that sort of thing than others. Just because YOU may not smell or notice anything doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

lol @ fear mongering
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Some people are more sensitive to that sort of thing than others. Just because YOU may not smell or notice anything doesn't mean someone else doesn't.

lol @ fear mongering
Obviously missed the bit about proper testing and accurate data v.s. just saying "VOC's are bad and you will get cancer".

I made no mention to sensitivity to the "smell".

Thats not the point in the least. Its about the PPM (Parts per million) of the compound that is off-gassed. Exposure limits are set for industrial applications based on this...

And yes - that is exactly what fear mongering is - exaggerating the issue without any data to support what you are saying.


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What standards or guidelines are there for Volatile Organic Compounds (VOCs)?
No standards have been set for VOCs in non industrial settings. There are thousands of VOC
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specific guidelines.
When the USEPA built their own building, they used a Maximum Allowable Air Concentration
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Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) regulates formaldehyde, a specific
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an action level of 0.5 ppm. US Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) has
established a level of 0.4 ppm for mobile homes. Based upon current information, it is advisable
to mitigate formaldehyde that is present at levels higher than 0.1 ppm.
Several years ago we in the sealing industry had to modify all our weatherstrips to remove any Formaldehyde from the composition for this reason...
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Obviously missed the bit about proper testing and accurate data v.s. just saying "VOC's are bad and you will get cancer".

I made no mention to sensitivity to the "smell".

Thats not the point in the least. Its about the PPM (Parts per million) of the compound that is off-gassed. Exposure limits are set for industrial applications based on this...

And yes - that is exactly what fear mongering is - exaggerating the issue without any data to support what you are saying.


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https://www7.nau.edu/itep/main/eeop/...cCompounds.pdf



Several years ago we in the sealing industry had to modify all our weatherstrips to remove any Formaldehyde from the composition for this reason...
You're right, I thought someone had mentioned smells or fumes, but it was strictly off-gassing. That PDF is helpful, although now I'm wondering about smells post curing.
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Gonna happen sooner than later. Less than a 30% chance of rain 2 out the past 3 days. I got all 30%. Both days it poured.
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Old 07-19-2019, 11:55 AM
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Disregard. They are under the rails. It was just the part that was going up. Noticed when the carpet started blowing back on the highway
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I’m want to use wire loom to cover the wires. What size and how long do it need. Is there something else I should use or am I over thinking this (mostly for protection from the elements when the doors and top are off)?
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I don't remember the size....just pick something close or measure.....are you going to strip the Jeep yourself? If you take out everything but the console and driver seat it should save you a decent amount of money.....
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Yeah I’m stripping it myself.
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One thing I would be cautious of is heat. I have a friend that removed his carpet to line the floor, now the floor gets pretty darn hot from the exhaust. You lose the insulating effect of the carpet when you pull it.
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Hopefully it’ll only be for a couple days. I’m going to talk to them Monday and schedule a time
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One thing I would be cautious of is heat. I have a friend that removed his carpet to line the floor, now the floor gets pretty darn hot from the exhaust. You lose the insulating effect of the carpet when you pull it.
I run the slush mats in mine and there isn't any negative heat affects....
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That’s how’s mine is right now. Nothing yet
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For wire loom I'm going with this stuff in 1" and for a 2dr 25ft should be plenty

I've used it for years in several server racks and its tough stuff
Won't trap water in like the solid plastic as its a wave but keeps all the dirt and crud out

As far as the floor boards getting hot, yeah they get warm but you shouldn't be driving barefoot either
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Getting it done next week!
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Do you run a hard or soft top? I also had them spray the pinch welds below the tailgate...and went over the rails of the bed....
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My buddy did his TJ and the only issue he had was cleaning it. The bumpy texture made it impossible to get clean. This was from about 10 years ago so maybe the texture has changed but I had the same issue with the liner in my truck as well.
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All you need is a scrub brush and a bucket of soapy water....it really doesn't get too much easier....you spend more time pulling and replacing the plugs than you do scrubbing it....hose it out.....done....
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So far nothing has stuck to my Herculiner, just need a broom to sweep it out once everything dries.
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I have both tops. Getting tailgate done too.

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