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Old 07-15-2019, 08:16 AM
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Local Police Dept. Facebook post about doors

What say our Jeep loving crowd here about this ........


Seems to me by the wording that if topless itís okay ....... either way Iím not liking their interpretation cause I drive thru this township daily ....

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Jeep.com refers to doors as removable then in fine print say's that is only advised for off-road conditions only.

Anyways - don't live in PA so not worried lol.
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You PA guys should get clever and register your vehicle out of state....
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Itís a gamble everything time I leave my house. 4 days in a row right now with no doors.

Usually it rains enough here in western pa I might as well keep the doors on!


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I would be more worried about being involved in an accident. For example, someone runs a red light and "T-Bones" you. All you need is for the police report to mention that you had your doors removed, in willful violation of the law, and suddenly you might find yourself unable to recover for stuff like medical costs or injuries.
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We drove up into PA a couple weekends ago. The weather was beautiful, and when we left down here in MD almost every Jeep we saw was running doorless. Then we got into PA, and suddenly almost every Jeep had doors on. I explained to the wife why that likely is, and pointed out that we were safe (MD plate). But I still feel bad for the guys with PA plates.
But I have to say, if I was living in PA I would fight this, as they say it is against PA vehicle code but it is not. PA vehicle code says "A vehicle specified under this subchapter shall be equipped with doors of a type used as original equipment". It clearly says that the vehicle must be "equipped" with doors of the original type as fitted by the manufacturer. It says "equipped", not "fitted with". There is a difference. Jeep equipped JK's and JKU's with removable doors. Mine has removable doors. Sometimes my removable doors are in my shed, other times they are on the Jeep. They are the doors my Jeep is equipped with. I would show the officer a picture of my doors hanging in my shed. Equipped is a word with a specific definition. It is not the same definition as the word fitted or installed. Being "equipped" does not mean the doors are installed. If it was required to have the does installed they should have said so.
Either way, I hope you guys over come this ridiculous situation.
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Sounds like a great reason to get half doors. If this was my state, I'd order them right now.

Sorry you folks have to deal with this idiocy.

All I do is slap a small side mirror on and leave the doors at home here in MI. Drove by several cops yesterday without even batting an eye.

Write your senator's and fight this.
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So is it a "fix it" ticket or a moving violation?
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Looks like the fine state of Pennsylvania is doing it due diligence to keep you safe this summer,
I wonder if an OEM half door would be acceptable?
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I can't think of any reason at all to live in PA. Do motorcycle riders up there have to wear helmets?

I see a market up there for a storage rack that fits in the back and securely holds your doors in the trunk. Half doors would be perfect.

I wonder if you had those pipe doors, if you wrapped them in canvas then they'd at least look like half doors.

I guess someone up there doesn't like Jeeps since they are the subject photos. Anyway, an occasional $25 fee to drive doorless? I can think of nasty women I've wasted a ton more $1 bills on.
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We drove up into PA a couple weekends ago. The weather was beautiful, and when we left down here in MD almost every Jeep we saw was running doorless. Then we got into PA, and suddenly almost every Jeep had doors on. I explained to the wife why that likely is, and pointed out that we were safe (MD plate). But I still feel bad for the guys with PA plates.
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I'm not so sure we (I have MD tags too) are safe from a ticket. I don't know 100%, but I suspect if they want to they will stop you and write you a ticket.
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Pa has its Head up its Ass. Kids for cash. The mayor of Scranton just plead guilty to corruption resigned from office. Auditor General just completed an audit Millions of dollars in gas taxes (highest in the Country) road taxes and tolls supposed to go to Road and Bridge REPAIR - Nope. Went to the State Police Pension because most retire with six digit income for life.

What else? Oh yeah - ONLY state in the country you get a ticket for driving a Jeep w/o Doors. ONLY in Pa.

Chicago and D.C. have nothing on Pa ......
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Your vehicle being registered in different state isn't going to save you from being ticketed if you get stopped by the PoPo. You are required to know and obey the laws of whatever state you happen to be driving through. Claiming entitlement or ignorance of the law is not a defense. If it's illegal, it's illegal. Period.
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It is going to depend on whether it is a Law or a DOT statute.

In Pa the "Doors" are required by PennDOT as an inspection requirement therefor the operation (on pavement) requires the doors be on.

Lets say you are from Ky or Ga and perhaps have no inspection requirements (I do not know if those states do or don't) and it's ok to drive around missing a bumper or you have gaping rust holes - In Pa that is a no-no BUT you won't get a ticket because the vehicle is registered in a state where it doesn't matter per it's DOT.

A Law is going to pertain to things like carrying a firearm etc.
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I'm not so sure we (I have MD tags too) are safe from a ticket. I don't know 100%, but I suspect if they want to they will stop you and write you a ticket.
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Your vehicle being registered in different state isn't going to save you from being ticketed if you get stopped by the PoPo. You are required to know and obey the laws of whatever state you happen to be driving through. Claiming entitlement or ignorance of the law is not a defense. If it's illegal, it's illegal. Period.
My Jeep is not required to meet PA rules to be driven on PA streets. For example, to be tagged in MD you have to have an emissions inspection done on a regular basis. But someone from PA would not have to have the MD emissions inspection to operate their PA registered vehicle on MD roads. Your vehicle must meet the rules and regulations of the state it is registered in, and once registered it can be operated in that condition on roads in any state in the union. It is not the same as a behavioral regulation, like wearing seat belts. If your are driving in a different state you must follow the behavioral regulations of the state you are in. But your vehicle only needs to meet the equipment regulations of the state it is registered in.
For example, if the state you lived in did not require a third brake light but MD does, you could drive a vehicle without a third brake light on MD roads as long as it was tagged in your state and not MD.
It is not a matter of ignoring the law, it is a matter of knowing the law.
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Here in Kentucky I don't even use side mirrors when I am doorless. Cops don't care 1 bit about doors, no doors, mirrors, no mirrors, the only person that does care is my wife, now I have her permission to buy a set.
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It is going to depend on whether it is a Law or a DOT statute.

In Pa the "Doors" are required by PennDOT as an inspection requirement therefor the operation (on pavement) requires the doors be on.

Lets say you are from Ky or Ga and perhaps have no inspection requirements (I do not know if those states do or don't) and it's ok to drive around missing a bumper or you have gaping rust holes - In Pa that is a no-no BUT you won't get a ticket because the vehicle is registered in a state where it doesn't matter per it's DOT.

A Law is going to pertain to things like carrying a firearm etc.
KY does NOT have state inspections and there are PLENTY of vehicles seen on the daily basis to prove that one
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KY does NOT have state inspections and there are PLENTY of vehicles seen on the daily basis to prove that one
That was memory from my days stationed in Kentucky (one of my favorite states BTW) Louisville, Bourbon, the River, the Captains Quarters - Good times.

I used to see some crazy shit driving around though.

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All good arguments, but if the Police wants to give you a ticket, they will regardless. Then you have to go to court to argue your case. There you might have a judge that understands the law, or one that does not and in that case you will to appeal. You may win in the very end, but at what cost and who is going to pay all your court fees and for your time?
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It is going to depend on whether it is a Law or a DOT statute.

In Pa the "Doors" are required by PennDOT as an inspection requirement therefor the operation (on pavement) requires the doors be on.

Lets say you are from Ky or Ga and perhaps have no inspection requirements (I do not know if those states do or don't) and it's ok to drive around missing a bumper or you have gaping rust holes - In Pa that is a no-no BUT you won't get a ticket because the vehicle is registered in a state where it doesn't matter per it's DOT.

A Law is going to pertain to things like carrying a firearm etc.

can't speak for GA but I can speak for Ky, and no we have no state mandated inspections at all, except for the bare basic type, and its more of "do your lights function and does the horn work?, ok you pass" type, at least it was that way when I lived there and even then.......
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Ouch.. Can't even use tube doors. That's really strict.
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Ouch.. Can't even use tube doors. That's really strict.
Yep. Tubes don't count.
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FWIW, Georgia, like most states, does not have vehicle inspection. Those poor sots who live in Hotlanta, must go through an emission check though. Those of us in S. Georgia have no inspection.

I have seen worse vehicles in Texas on LivePD than I ever have around here, and they have an inspection system.
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It rains nearly every day in PA anyways so what is the point of driving doorless? Lived there four years and didn’t think it was worth the effort to remove the top or doors. Absolute worst weather I’ve experienced.
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Ouch.. Can't even use tube doors. That's really strict.
Wrap em in canvas.
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Some posts in this thread - Exactly the logic that caused me to exit the legislative effort. Total waste of time and a lot of it.

Lots of "Blah Blah" rarely on point and even more rare translation to action.
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My Jeep is not required to meet PA rules to be driven on PA streets. For example, to be tagged in MD you have to have an emissions inspection done on a regular basis. But someone from PA would not have to have the MD emissions inspection to operate their PA registered vehicle on MD roads. Your vehicle must meet the rules and regulations of the state it is registered in, and once registered it can be operated in that condition on roads in any state in the union. It is not the same as a behavioral regulation, like wearing seat belts. If your are driving in a different state you must follow the behavioral regulations of the state you are in. But your vehicle only needs to meet the equipment regulations of the state it is registered in.
For example, if the state you lived in did not require a third brake light but MD does, you could drive a vehicle without a third brake light on MD roads as long as it was tagged in your state and not MD.
It is not a matter of ignoring the law, it is a matter of knowing the law.
I never worry, I just drive door-less. If I get pulled over so be it. My tires are covered by my flares, my lights are not obnoxious LEDs, and I'm not a punk! (no offense to punks. Well, maybe since they are, you know, punks)

I'm mostly tooling around Southern York County and Raystown lake area. Never had issues with my 89, so I'm not worried about my 13.

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