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Old 05-17-2012, 11:22 AM
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May take the plunge on my first JK. Need help

So I have the opportunity to trade my 2005 TJ on a 2008 or 2009 JK Unlimited. Either a Sahara or a Rubicon. I've no idea which one to go with, or what the difference between the 2 are?

If I trade, I'm keeping the Warn M8000 winch off my TJ.

I won't have the money to lift the JK, so I'll have to do other mods. So I'm hoping you guys could post up pictures and ideas on what I could do with it, besides lifting it.

So, I need some help. Help with future mods and accessories I can do with it. WHY I should trade the TJ for the JK unlimited. And whats the difference between the Sahara and Rubicon, and which I should go for.

I'm in uncharted territory, and I need a guide!

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There are a lot of threads about Sahara vs Rubicon, but the main differences are off-road features. Do you do much off roading, rock crawling, etc..?

The rubicon has a D44 front axle, front/rear lockers, sway bar disconnect, stock off-road mud tires, a 4:1 transfer case, and maybe some more stuff I'm forgetting about

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That ^^

Not much different than the Tj comparing the Sahara and the Rubicon model. The Jk
is more defined. Google it if you want some intersecting reads
I went from a 2001 to a 2007. I love them both
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If you're going to wheel it, go ahead and do the Rubicon since you'll get front/rear lockers, an electronic sway bar disconnect, a D44 front axle, 4.10 gears, and a 4:1 transfer case. None of that will be on the Sahara. And if it's got stock tires, they'll be MTs rather than the ATs that come on the Sahara.

The 3.8 engine likes RPMs more than your 4.0. As a result, from a "performance" standpoint you're better off getting the manual transmission if that's possible. A manual lets you control when you upshift (obviously), and thereby better stay in the power band. You can achieve similar results on an auto transmission with a regearing and/or a tuner, but it sounds like you're running on a budget so all else being equal you'd be better off getting the vehicle with as much in place as possible.

Don't count on not being able to afford a lift. I don't know about TJ prices, but a basic 2.5" budget boost on a JK (which will let you run 35" tires if you so desire) can be had for for $140 (like this one).

You're going to need a winch plate to attach that Warn to the stock bumper (like this). Alternatively, you could of course get a new bumper.

As to why to get a JKU, I dunno. You get a lot more room. Do you need more room? I'd say you get better overall reliability as well. There are of course bad apples in every bunch, but my brother's TJ is constantly having electrical issues (wiper motors, sensors, etc.). Those seem to age poorly on a TJ, though his is a 2001 so I really can't speak to your 2005. Either way though, 2008 or 2009 electronics are going to be newer.

Finally, the capability of even a stock Rubicon JKU is hard to beat. It's being recognized as one of the best overland vehicles ever. See here and here.
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My preference would be for the Rubicon. Wheels, tires, and flat flares make a huge difference in looks. Remove or trim the plastic air dam up front and don't do any offroading until you can lift it and you can run 35s on stock suspension. That's what I'm doing until tax return time next year when I'll get that lift installed.

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no off-roading until 35's? insanity... you can do more than most people can handle on stock suspension and stock MT's

Coming from a '97 TJ (before the 4.0 was even certified in CA) to the JK I chose to go with the rubicon for 1 reason... it has what we need "right now". I abused the TJ like you wouldn't believe, it took everything I could give it (even the rubicon trail in Tahoe), but in the end, to keep up with the stock rubicon's here in CO, it would cost more than the benefit to us. So, rather than buying an S, and sticking all the "after purchase" money into it for all the bells and whistles everyone states "you need" we decided to go stock, get the bumper/rockrails and beat this one a bit. then, we will actually decide what we "need" for our lifestyle and fix what is broken because of that lifestyle
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my stock jk (plus good tires) will out wheel lifted tjs.

you can run 33s with minimum to no lift easy.
im running no lift with out rubbing but may do a level kit for 130 bucks to get me some more articulation room.
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Driving a Tj for 10 years I regretted not getting 4.10's. It was an option then but I went with 3.07's
Lower gears are a must in the 3.8, especially the auto.
If you ever plan on going with bigger tires, lower gearing is a must
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Go with the Rubicon. you shouldn't need to be talked into the Unlimited but here goes, as much as I loved mt '97 TJ, I love my JKU that much more. So much more room!
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Hmm. Sounds like the Rubicon is the better direction to go with.

I like my TJ a lot. But there's just something about those 4-door jeeps driving around with the top and doors off that makes me turn my head.

What's hard is that the TJ is paid off. So getting into monthly payments would suck. But a 4-door would be nice, since in the next year the wife and I are wanting to try for kids.
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But a 4-door would be nice, since in the next year the wife and I are wanting to try for kids.
We regularly fit three--count'em--THREE toddlers in the back of my JKU. That's three carseats across, a 4-year-old, a 2-year-old, and a 15 month old. You just can't do that in a TJ or a 2 door JK.
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Hmm. Sounds like the Rubicon is the better direction to go with.

I like my TJ a lot. But there's just something about those 4-door jeeps driving around with the top and doors off that makes me turn my head.

What's hard is that the TJ is paid off. So getting into monthly payments would suck. But a 4-door would be nice, since in the next year the wife and I are wanting to try for kids.
look at how much it is to trade it in. vs selling on your own. usually its a big difference.
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That is easy...I would go for the Rubicon just because it has a few more better parts!
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We regularly fit three--count'em--THREE toddlers in the back of my JKU. That's three carseats across, a 4-year-old, a 2-year-old, and a 15 month old. You just can't do that in a TJ or a 2 door JK.
Stack 'em, pack 'em and rack 'em...really good point.
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no off-roading until 35's? insanity... you can do more than most people can handle on stock suspension and stock MT's

Coming from a '97 TJ (before the 4.0 was even certified in CA) to the JK I chose to go with the rubicon for 1 reason... it has what we need "right now". I abused the TJ like you wouldn't believe, it took everything I could give it (even the rubicon trail in Tahoe), but in the end, to keep up with the stock rubicon's here in CO, it would cost more than the benefit to us. So, rather than buying an S, and sticking all the "after purchase" money into it for all the bells and whistles everyone states "you need" we decided to go stock, get the bumper/rockrails and beat this one a bit. then, we will actually decide what we "need" for our lifestyle and fix what is broken because of that lifestyle
You misread what I said. I said "and you can run 35s on stock suspension" which is what I'm doing. Of course you can offload completely stock, and I did just that in my 2dr JK Rubicon. In fact, it pretty much went anywhere I wanted it to go, albeit with occasionally more effort than my lifted wheeling buddies.

I just mentioned the wheels and tires as an option for the OP given his budget constraints at present. Add a 2.5" budget boost and that Rubicon on 35s can go anywhere it wants.

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