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Old 01-11-2020, 08:05 AM
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Mods for 38 inch tires on JK Rubicon?

Advice needed on what are the best mods for toughing up the driveline on a 2016 Rubicon to run 38s with beadlocks.

A big brake kit is coming, but what else?

C gussets? axle sleeves? ??? Axle bracing? Upgraded u-joints?

Anyone just buy a pro-rock 44 and stuff it with the stock internals?

Steering mods?

I don't want to break the bank but I could, lol

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38s are a BIG tire and will require extensive mods to run. Dana 60s are in order for that size tire but you could get away with a beefy 44. You'll have trouble getting the backspace low enough to keep the tires from rubbing the frame and sway bar, wider Dana 60 axles will help with that.

Our '14 started on 37s. To run a 37 we lifted it , added C gussets and welded truss. In short order things started failing, like unit bearings, ball joints, rear axle shaft flanges bent, drag link, tie rod ends, drive shafts, etc. So have a plan and budget for all of those.

Our '18 we decided to add a TERA44 axle upfront and upgrade all of the steering and shafts from the start. No issues doing it that way and it's been nice to have a Jeep that isn't always wearing stuff out. BUT there's no getting around the weak unit bearings unless you go full float.

IMO don't go 38s unless you budget a minimum 20k in upgrades. FWIW we surpassed that just going with 37s.

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What kind of driving do you do? Mostly street, hardcore off road, light duty off road, all street, etc.
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What kind of driving do you do? Mostly street, hardcore off road, light duty off road, all street, etc.
95% on pavement. But I don't want to have to baby it completely off pavement. I don't want things breaking in the wilderness.

So I eventually want the ability to do hardcore use.

Gussets, sleeves, and axles... maybe trusses, but some say those mess things up somehow?
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These seem awesome.

RCV Performance CV Axles

No more U-Joints, twice as strong.

Anyone know about these, used these?

https://www.rcvperformance.com/ultim...d-up-300m.html
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I had RCVs in my previous PR44. It’s the way to go if you have the money.
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Go with an upgraded housing. ProRock 44 or similar. Get some upgraded ball joints. I ran Synergy’s for a couple of years before they crapped out and were replaced with Dynatracs. Get some chromoly axle shafts with full circle clips. Unit bearings wear out but are fairly cheap and easy to replace. If you’re going to wheel it, hydraulic assist steering is a nice but expensive upgrade. Clearance will be an issue, so consider flat fenders and a quality lift with calibrated bump stops and shocks. You’ll rub those tires on the control arms or elsewhere with anything more than 4 inches of backspacing.
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I'm running the 38 Pats on a 2012. Here's what I have specifically to run them:
Dana 44s
4" long arm lift
HD steering components
Flat Fenders
Hydraulic bump stops
RCV front axle shafts, Ten Factory rear.
C Gussets
HD ball joints
Big brake kit w/dual piston calipers
4.5" back spaced beadlocks
1" wheel spacers

I wish I had hydraulic steering everytime I go rock crawling. It's on the immediate upgrade list, as soon as I can pull that much cash out of my a$$.

Someday I want Dynatrac 60/80s. Someday. I'll need to win the lottery for that

I would venture that I have about the bare minimum to run that size of tires.

I have no desire to sleeve or truss the axles. Sleeving doesn't do much. Trussing will only happen if I can convice myself of a really good reason.

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I've been thinking my next tire will also be 38s, upping the 37s I currently use on my Jeep for DD and trails x2 month. My current setup is pretty minimal for the 37s, but hasn't let me down through 20K miles with pretty gnarly trails in AZ, Moab & the Rubicon trail. My front axle has gusseted Cs, teraflex BJ, and I replaced the unit bearings. The steering & track bar are all Synergy, including the steering box sector shaft brace. For 38's, I plan on adding sleeving/trussing, chromoly axles, & big brakes. I'll also consider swapping in a prorock 44 housing if the budget fits, but I don't think it's necessary out the gate. Biggest consideration by far is what tire you plan on running. The heavier the tire, the more stress you'll have on your axle components. I'll run patagonia MTs, which weigh in around the same as my current tires @82 lbs.
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I've been thinking my next tire will also be 38s, upping the 37s I'll run patagonia MTs, which weigh in around the same as my current tires @82 lbs.
Yep. That is exactly what I have being mounted.

4.5 inch long arm metal cloak lift, six pack shocks, aluminium high clearance fenders, trail fx bumper and smithy-bilt wench.

I have 36 pound forged aluminium alloy wheels too.

So the main questions I have are around axle reinforcements and drive line strengthening.

The axle shafts with the CV ends seem like a no brainer. Dynatrack u-joint kit is close to $600, that is half the price of these axles which eliminate this major breaking point by eliminating U-joints.

C Gussets, sleeves, and truss.... and brakes.

Probably do the front axle and then address the rear in the near future.
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Getting these for brakes.

Cheap upgrade to big brakes.

Any thoughts?

https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/b...upgrade-system
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Getting these for brakes.

Cheap upgrade to big brakes.

Any thoughts?

https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/b...upgrade-system
You'll love them.....
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I am currently on 38's. (was on 37's prior for 2 years). My List of things


D44 Front with Gussets and Sleeves (5:13 gears and factory E-Locker)
Rare Parts Ball joints
10 Factory front axles
Rare D44 has just gears and locker in it
ATX Slab beadlocks with 3.5 backspacing (I very lightly rub with no wheelspacers)
PSC Big Bore with Ram-assist (you will want this if rock crawling)


Now the axles I got off of CL from a guy upgrading to pro-rocks. So I am into the axles only about 3K. Hydro plus wheels is another 3K, so I can be done for a decent price.
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Getting these for brakes.

Cheap upgrade to big brakes.

Any thoughts?

https://www.northridge4x4.com/part/b...upgrade-system
I've read great reviews on them. I'm upgrading to them, as well, later this year.

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I'm running 37's. Using a Core 44 front axle with RCV's, a PSC Big Bore steering box and Fusion 4x4 1.75" aluminum steering. Dynatrac ball joints and a Crown BBK. Currently on 3.25" of lift, steel beadlocks and flat fenders.

You will wear stuff out fast if you use stock components and without the PSC stuff, forget turning in rocks.
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I'm running 37's. Using a Core 44 front axle with RCV's, a PSC Big Bore steering box and Fusion 4x4 1.75" aluminum steering. Dynatrac ball joints and a Crown BBK. Currently on 3.25" of lift, steel beadlocks and flat fenders.

You will wear stuff out fast if you use stock components and without the PSC stuff, forget turning in rocks.
Yeah. So far getting the Dynatrack brakes and a metalcloak HD steering kit which comes with a stabilizer. $1900 parts.

I guess C gussets, internal sleeves, and trusses, and RCV CV axles in next phase. Probably another $2500 plus.

I also saw external sleeves for the axle housing, looks like a good idea. Anyone use those?
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i would not pay for RCVs. just get 4340 chromoly axle shafts with full circle clips from a reputable company like Revolution. would also skip the sleeves.

truss, C gussets, upgraded ball joints like Rare Parts or the newest version Synergy ball joints.
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i would not pay for RCVs. just get 4340 chromoly axle shafts with full circle clips from a reputable company like Revolution. would also skip the sleeves.

truss, C gussets, upgraded ball joints like Rare Parts or the newest version Synergy ball joints.
Full circle clips? Huh?

The JK axles don't use clips.

RCV axles eliminate U Joint bind, that's one huge advantage of them. Their warranty can't be beat either. As long as you don't exceed 38" tires on a 35 Spline D44 axle shaft, You break it, they replace it. Period.

For ball joints, if paying the kind of money Dynatrac or Rare Parts commands, buy the Dynatrac's. Too many people have had issues with the load sharing design of the Rare Parts ball joints and their "warranty" is a joke. I love their 2.5 ton TRE's but too many people I know who tried their ball joints and had problems, some right out the gate. In fact ECGS had so many problems with them, they stopped carrying them.
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Full circle clips? Huh?

The JK axles don't use clips.

RCV axles eliminate U Joint bind, that's one huge advantage of them. Their warranty can't be beat either. As long as you don't exceed 38" tires on a 35 Spline D44 axle shaft, You break it, they replace it. Period.

For ball joints, if paying the kind of money Dynatrac or Rare Parts commands, buy the Dynatrac's. Too many people have had issues with the load sharing design of the Rare Parts ball joints and their "warranty" is a joke. I love their 2.5 ton TRE's but too many people I know who tried their ball joints and had problems, some right out the gate. In fact ECGS had so many problems with them, they stopped carrying them.

Not axle shaft clips. Full circle clips on axle the u-joint caps. From what I have read and experienced, a common mode of failure in stock jk axle joints is the half circle clip coming out, the cap coming off the ujoint, the u joint breaking.

Full circle clips are pretty much the standard on aftermarket shafts, though ive heard of some people tack welding the stock half circle clips in place with good success.

The lack of binding and the retention of strength on the RCVs is where they shine. Standard u joints bind and have a reduction of strength as they are articulated through the range of motion (steering left and right)
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Full circle clips? Huh?

The JK axles don't use clips.

RCV axles eliminate U Joint bind, that's one huge advantage of them. Their warranty can't be beat either. As long as you don't exceed 38" tires on a 35 Spline D44 axle shaft, You break it, they replace it. Period.


For ball joints, if paying the kind of money Dynatrac or Rare Parts commands, buy the Dynatrac's. Too many people have had issues with the load sharing design of the Rare Parts ball joints and their "warranty" is a joke. I love their 2.5 ton TRE's but too many people I know who tried their ball joints and had problems, some right out the gate. In fact ECGS had so many problems with them, they stopped carrying them.
yes the Ujoints on standard Jeep shafts use half snap rings or clips. common point of failure. quality aftermarket shafts use full circle snap rings or clips.

speaking of warranties. RCV has denied plenty of warranties over the year.

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The knock I’ve read about RCVs are that they develop a loud (and for some, annoying) clicking noise and also that the splines twist. RCV expressly disclaims the latter from warranty coverage. The clicking is not a mechanical failure and so also would not be covered. Maybe they are better than chromoly shafts with u joints, but twice better as their price might suggest? I’m skeptical.
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Thank you, I wasn't thinking the U Joint clips.

In my experience, I have never seen RCV deny a warranty claim on twisted splines if the tire size was under 38" on the wrangler axles. I have wheeled with people that are extremists and have broken, twisted, etc. RCV's and they have always replaced them. If you don't maintain the CV joint, then they do develop clicking and RCV will deny your warranty. That one is hard to blame on them, your lack of maintenance.

Yes, I like the RCV shafts. No binding like I had on a U Joint shaft. In my opinion, they were a buy once, cry once thing. I get it, they are not for everyone.
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Yeah. So far getting the Dynatrack brakes and a metalcloak HD steering kit which comes with a stabilizer. $1900 parts.

I guess C gussets, internal sleeves, and trusses, and RCV CV axles in next phase. Probably another $2500 plus.

I also saw external sleeves for the axle housing, looks like a good idea. Anyone use those?
I am running Nitro internal sleeves and the full Artec front axle armor kit. I am not running that big of tire but am planning 37's in the future. Very happy with the results and about the only complaint I have seen is the truss can hit the oil pan. With adjustable control arms that is not an issue though as you can push the axle forward so it is not an issue.
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Planning to go to 37/38 this year as well. So short version, add some axle supports, beefier parts, hydro assist, and expect some parts to wear faster.
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I've had RCVs since June 2019. They developed a clicking pretty quickly and RCV just sent me out a rebuild kit, free of any charge. They work awesome without any binding. I'd recommend them if you can swing it.

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Mods for 38 inch tires on JK Rubicon?

I ran RCVs on a PR44 for 2 years and no clicking. They were packed with grease on install and greased every 3K to 4K miles after that with their “special” black grease.
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+1 on the Dynatrac Progrip brakes

I swear it sounds like guys breaking stuff out on the trail with those RCVs.
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+1 on the Dynatrac Progrip brakes

I swear it sounds like guys breaking stuff out on the trail with those RCVs.
I'm planning on adding them later in the year along with their PR44 Trail Leader kit. Did you upgrade master cylinder?

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+1 on the Dynatrac Progrip brakes

I swear it sounds like guys breaking stuff out on the trail with those RCVs.
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