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Old 11-18-2018, 08:59 PM   #4891
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This is probably not what you want to hear as it is against your opinion. I do wonder why you have experienced such a contrary result from this lift kit. What could be different from the majority of users who have positive results? Were you sold a China made knock off? Did your installers fail miserably? Have you considered how and why your experience is different? Honestly I do not understand where you are coming from in your bashing Mopar over your displeasure. Hopefully, for your installers sake, you can spend your way into a comfort zone.
Fair enough. I don’t have the overall experience you or others here have and trusted that Mopar would provide a working lift. That wasn’t my experience. I have a great shop and continued building the Jeep, ditching most of the Mopar lift as we went along and replacing with parts I sourced, not them. No one “took” me, though I appreciate the concern.

This is my 6th Jeep, 1st Wrangler. Love mopar. Bottom line is the shocks and springs do not work together in the kit I have. Double checked p/n’s and it’s the right kit. I also don’t have a clue as to how many of you can lift a Jeep 3.5” and not adjust your caster... but hey, maybe I just have bad luck.

Thank goodness for Poly Performance and Synergy. I don’t like spending money twice and that’s where the Mopar 2” lift got me.
Not adjusting caster? About 60% of the posts in this huge thread are about adjusting caster. Everyone does, a few use the supplied cam washers... Most use either front lower control arms or geometry brackets. Nobody goes without.

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I am brand new to Wranglers and used this forum exclusively to make my decision on a lift, choosing the Mopar lift kit in the end based on the information in this thread. My experience is 180 degrees different than yours. I had the lift installed by my selling dealer along with JKS geo brackets. The alignment with the geo brackets was a total non-event. My Jeep rides, handles and steers every bit as good, if not better, than it did stock. 15,000 miles on the lift, including a handful of fairly serious trail rides and it has been flawless. I hope no one reconsiders this lift because of one post as the majority seem quite happy with theirs.
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Bottom line is the shocks and springs do not work together in the kit I have.
I found the combo to be a pretty good compromise with the lift. I'm no expert but i can judge the difference i felt between the rubicon 10a setup and this one. Rubicon was very comfortable. I could drive for days on road. But it bounced around a lot. After the lift, the ride stiffened up a little where I can feel more fatigue on long drives. But it wasn't as bouncy tossing my head around. Handled curves better too.

Not sure what you are looking for in a spring and shock combo, but I know you usually compromise one thing for another and you can't have it all.

I off road once a year so can't say much to that.

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Not adjusting caster? About 60% of the posts in this huge thread are about adjusting caster. Everyone does, a few use the supplied cam washers... Most use either front lower control arms or geometry brackets. Nobody goes without.
I went with the brackets because of the ride and it's my daily driver plus the clearance issue is minimal at best since a couple of things are already a bit lower and the adjustable arms do nothing to correct the geometry. Just my reasoning but I thought it was sound.

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Not adjusting caster? About 60% of the posts in this huge thread are about adjusting caster. Everyone does, a few use the supplied cam washers... Most use either front lower control arms or geometry brackets. Nobody goes without.

Stuff like this makes him lose any credibility in stating he read this entire thread, as well as him not realizing the height of this lift.

The other part is where he thinks if he goes with a different lift in that it will some how be a different experience. Mopar is one of the ONLY lifts out there, that actually provide caster correction with their kit be it the least expensive and least desired one. Someone show me a Synergy lift he's talking about which doesn't need caster correction, and actually includes caster correction within the kit. Heck, even the Synergy folks in this forum recommend additional caster correction be added for their lifts.

The fact that the shop sold him replacement control arms for this kit, shows how naive he is, where the shop took advantage of him and he doesn't even realize it, yet he's going to blame the lift for whatever problems he's experiencing with this kit. He obviously understands very little about suspension lifts, but some how he thinks he's an expert on spring and shock matching. Who can actually take this guy seriously with any of his statements? Just reading his statements by anyone who has any experience with suspensions, the contradictions are beyond ridiculous.
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I went with the brackets because of the ride and it's my daily driver plus the clearance issue is minimal at best since a couple of things are already a bit lower and the adjustable arms do nothing to correct the geometry. Just my reasoning but I thought it was sound.

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Geo brackets are one of the best solutions for caster correction, if ride quality is high on your priority list. No caster correction, with ANY lift and especially one that includes caster correction such as the Mopar lift and not using it, is not recommended by anyone and that pretty much summarizes Pressurizes point.


Most every lift on the market, except for the more expensive ones (4K-$7K), which include 8 replacement control arms don't include caster correction and the reason for that is because every lift manufacturer out there realizes there's different ways to adjust caster and people can choose the caster correction that they prefer to go with their lift kit. Why pay for something you don't prefer as part of a kit is the logic?
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I have a great shop and continued building the Jeep
Who is this great shop, so the rest of us can avoid them? The Mopar kit includes caster correction, and by the sounds of it, this great shop of yours didn't install it, and then turned around and sold you a full set of replacement control arms and by the sounds of that, didn't install those properly as well.

Please, tell us more about this "great shop", which obviously realized they had a sucker as a customer that they could take advantage of due to their lack of knowledge.

There's no wonder you don't like this Mopar lift since by the sounds of it, this great shop of yours has been feeding you a full line of B.S. and taking advantage of your inexperience, and you've been busy gobbling up every word they've been feeding you and you've been asking for more in return. They the ones who's been feeding the mismatched spring and shock non-sense as well? Are they the ones who told you the Mopar kit didn't include caster correction, although it does? How's that B.S. taste? Wipe your chin, you've got brown stuff dripping off of it.
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Thanks guys. Appreciate the insults, enjoy your mopar lift kits.
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Fair enough. I don’t have the overall experience you or others here have and trusted that Mopar would provide a working lift. That wasn’t my experience. I have a great shop and continued building the Jeep, ditching most of the Mopar lift as we went along and replacing with parts I sourced, not them. No one “took” me, though I appreciate the concern.

This is my 6th Jeep, 1st Wrangler. Love mopar. Bottom line is the shocks and springs do not work together in the kit I have. Double checked p/n’s and it’s the right kit. I also don’t have a clue as to how many of you can lift a Jeep 3.5” and not adjust your caster... but hey, maybe I just have bad luck.

Thank goodness for Poly Performance and Synergy. I don’t like spending money twice and that’s where the Mopar 2” lift got me.
I am glad you are happy in the end with what you got. But if you ran into issues with Death Wobble, and it sounds like you did, that would be an installer issue or a problem with your ball joints and / or steering linkages and track bar. The Mopar lift, whether it meets your expectations or not, did not cause your Death Wobble issue. That is not an option. There are a few known possible causes of DW, and the quality of a lift kit is not one of them. How well the shocks and springs work together is not a factor in DW.
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Thanks guys. Appreciate the insults, enjoy your mopar lift kits.
Not meant as an insult... More of a reality. You see, you have people here with massive amounts of experience. But you refuse to take any of us seriously. I am not on the Mopar lift, but I do run their springs.

None of what you have said about the Mopar lift is factual. And by your professed love of the Synergy stuff (frankly I like it too), you are coming off as a shill for Synergy or a troll, take your pick.

You said you are less experienced, that's ok, we all started somewhere. But when you went to the lift caused "death wobble", which it didn't... And then said you can't do it without caster correction, and none of us do, you lost us. You just dropped off of the believability scale. Then you attempted to insult us with your "keep telling yourselves it's a great lift" BS...

Now, to try to help you...

So, if you didn't like the soft Mopar springs, be careful going with Synergy as they are also one of the softer springs on the market. In fact, the soft rate on their dual rate is actually lower than stock, the only manufacturer that is built this way. How much weight are you running? Full skid plates? Any body armor? Tire swing? Winch I assume?
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I think I want to add the track bar bolt upgrade to my yeti track bar. Any recommendations for a kit?

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Allen has the kit... It gives you both 9/16 and the M14 bolts. You should be able to use the 9/16 in both ends of yours.

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Very happy with Mopar 2"

Took my 17 recon to WV and CO before modding much of anything. Recon i took me everywhere i wanted to go. But some of my lines could have been better and the skidplates took a beating. Need better clearance and better judgement.

I installed the mopar 2" lift and some 35" tires on quadratec wheels. It rides better than stock and steers really well for a short wheelbase jk. I used the cam bolts and i don't expect to have any issues with them based on my experience with HD Dodge trucks that use an almost identical setup. Had a buddy check alignment and everything was well within specs.

I have flexed this setup out and observed very slight rubbing under full bumpstop compression. I am very happy with this lift and i haven't found anything lacking.

Hope this helps someone decide on this lift.
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Took my 17 recon to WV and CO before modding much of anything. Recon i took me everywhere i wanted to go. But some of my lines could have been better and the skidplates took a beating. Need better clearance and better judgement.

I installed the mopar 2" lift and some 35" tires on quadratec wheels. It rides better than stock and steers really well for a short wheelbase jk. I used the cam bolts and i don't expect to have any issues with them based on my experience with HD Dodge trucks that use an almost identical setup. Had a buddy check alignment and everything was well within specs.

I have flexed this setup out and observed very slight rubbing under full bumpstop compression. I am very happy with this lift and i haven't found anything lacking.

Hope this helps someone decide on this lift.
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i reality cam bolts have been used successfully for years. Issue is when people neglect to keep their control arms torqued to 120ft/lbs. There are many people who fail to properly retorq their suspension nuts and bolts at regular intervals. these are not a install and forget item regardless of what kit someone uses.
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i reality cam bolts have been used successfully for years. Issue is when people neglect to keep their control arms torqued to 120ft/lbs. There are many people who fail to properly retorq their suspension nuts and bolts at regular intervals. these are not a install and forget item regardless of what kit someone uses.
The only thing I can add is that the axles on a Jeep take much harder "hits" than a road vehicle, regardless of weight.
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Thanks guys. Appreciate the insults, enjoy your mopar lift kits.

You seem to be well versed in playing the victim card. If you would have come into this discussion and said, "I installed this lift and am currently experiencing some problems", then there are many of us in this discussion who would have gladly contributed and provided advise and been happy to assist......even if that meant the problems were actually due to the lift.

Instead you came in and stated, "This lift is sh*t, I've read this entire discussion thread, go ahead and try to convince yourselves otherwise, I expect better from Mopar". Then you followed that with a bunch of FALSE accusations about the lift that made zero sense to a any of us who are well versed with the ins and outs of this lift and you obviously lied about reading this entire thread, since there are a few of us who have read this entire thread and have a good feel of what has been previously discussed.

For someone who is admittedly new to suspension lifts, you should try the seeking to learn approach before coming in and acting like an expert on things you obviously know very little about, then maybe you wouldn't have to play that victim card so much when people start calling you out on the false information you're delivering.

By all means, go get the Synergy lift, we truly don't care one way or the other. Synergy makes pretty good stuff. I've got some Synergy parts on my rig. You'll have most of the same problems as what you had with the Mopar lift if you let that same shop do the install and they do the same shoddy work. What are they going to tell you then? "Synergy is a bad lift and you should purchase a Metal Cloak lift and add 10 other items you don't need while they're at it?"

Keep playing the victim....boo hoo. That great shop must love that you seem to be so gullible.
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If they become a problem the cam bolts are easy to eliminate with a welder and a couple of pieces of metal. If i thought it were going to be a problem for me i might have done that when i installed them.

A relocation bracket if fine i just didn't want to lose the clearance.
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I agree that it should include adjustable upper rear and lower front adjustable control arms in their next kit so that you have correct pinon and caster. The cam bolt thing is ridiculous to include in a Mopar branded kit.

Mopar sells adjustable control arms if you would like to purchase them separately for this kit or their 4in kit. Similar to how TF and Synergy also sell control arms separately from their kits in this price range. They've been available since they came out with their 2in and 4in lifts. Mopar P/N: P5155420

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They also sell sway bar quick disconnect links. P/N: P5155419
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Mopar sells adjustable control arms if you would like to purchase them separately for this kit or their 4in kit. Similar to how TF and Synergy also sell control arms separately from their kits in this price range. They've been available since they came out with their 2in and 4in lifts. Mopar P/N: P5155420

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They also sell sway bar quick disconnect links. P/N: P5155419
I had no idea that they had these. I am liking the Teraflex and I will admit that I like the way the "Teraflex Alpine" logo looks installed...lol commence poser comments
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I had no idea that they had these. I am liking the Teraflex and I will admit that I like the way the "Teraflex Alpine" logo looks installed...lol commence poser comments
I have the TF Alpines up front and like them a lot. They look good, but more importantly they work well and are very easy to adjust. I think the adjusting system in brilliant.
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Would there be any advatage at all to adding the alpines and keeping the rancho brackets? Looking to get myself a Christmas present.

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That is something that has been debated a fair bit.
I think there is an advantage, but it is a very small advantage. The way I see it, having adjustable arms and brackets allows you to use the brackets to get the arm angle where you want it but independently you can adjust the arms to get the castor where you want it. If you went that route I would make sure the adjustable arms you went with could adjust to at least as short as the stock arms, if not even a little shorter.
But I think it is a pretty small advantage, for most people running the one or the other would be all they need. But not every Jeep is the same, and not every person likes the same driving feel. Having both would simply give you more ability to set it exactly where you want it.
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Iím running JKS brackets with the Alpine LCA. No idea what it feels like with stock arms and brackets. I think the advantage would be the adjustability and fine tuning the caster. I do know the brackets and Alpines rides a little better in some situations than just the Alpines alone.
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I am looking to make sure my rear pinion angle is optimal after my mopar 2in lift. I was thinking about getting the Alpine rear adjustable uppers. Is this beneficial? I know that my pinion angle must have increased due to the lift.

Also should I be concerned about the rear trackbar contacting the frame if I lengthen the upper rear control arms and "roll" the rear axle a bit so that my pinion angle is less?
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Alright bit the bullet some time ago and finally had the time to get this lift on. Took me almost week - but I only had a couple hours each night to do this. First impressions are: well worth it. The ride is much smoother compared to the stock Sahara suspension (40k on it), speed bumps no longer "jolt" me. The Jeep rolls over them like a full-size truck and it's nice. I went with the Rancho geometry correction brackets too.



It's been said before and I have to say it too, the instructions are sub-par. I've seen better instructions on a knock-off Chinesium thing from Hazard Fraught. I mean... the whole rear sway bar links thing...



I forgot to measure before and after fender height, but I'm happy with how it looks.



Again, worth the $1k or so on any JK. They should have come this way from the factory. Now, on to the tires. 275/70/18s are in the future.



Thank you to all the posters who have spent the time sharing their work in this thread - far more useful than the instructions!
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It's been said before and I have to say it too, the instructions are sub-par. I've seen better instructions on a knock-off Chinesium thing from Hazard Fraught. I mean... the whole rear sway bar links thing...

If you would have joined the conversation sooner, I would have provided you a link to the copy of my instructions where I added additional details and images.


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Moved up to 37s with this kit plus teraflex leveling kit, flat fenders, and some modifications to both the front and rear lower shock mounts.





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Moved up to 37s with this kit plus teraflex leveling kit, flat fenders, and some modifications to both the front and rear lower shock mounts.

Looks great!


Which wheels are those?
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Looks great!


Which wheels are those?
Thanks! They are the quadratec recon wheel in gunmetal. $103 bucks a rim on black friday.
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