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Old 11-09-2016, 11:49 PM
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Mopar High Top Fenders installed, WOW, serious clearance!

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Well, this has been documented before so, I won't go into all the details of the install. If anyone is interested in these, and what it takes to install them, I'd be glad to help. It's not very hard at all. I will make a couple of suggestions if you're going to do it or, are thinking about it. The removal of the entire fender and splash guard is done, on all four fenders. The "splash guard" is the inner fender, for those that are not savvy.

If you've never had to remove those barbed, flat head, plastic panel clips and the like, here's what I suggest. Those can be removed using primitive tools, screw drivers, and whatever you can get that will wedge (must be a fairy thin, sharp wedge device) under the heads of them to pry them off. But, while it will cost just a few bucks, I'd head over to your local Harbor Freight tools and pickup:

1. Panel Clip Pliers

2. Search results for: 'Push pin pliers'

3. 5 Piece Upholstery and Trim Tool Set

While you may not use all these tools in the sets, I bought the set's cause I needed individual tools in them. What the heck, get the whole set, I'll eventually use each and all of them. Yeah, it's a few extra bucks but, I'm here to tell you, LIFE will be SERIOUSLY easier with these. You'll cut your removal of those clips and fasteners time, in half. The Push pin pliers will be used at a later date, when (not if) I need remove any of those four fender/flares for any given reason. If you don't use those, you will most likely destroy the clips (that are supplied with the fender/flares) and, you'll have go buy new ones.

OK, enough on the tools part. Now, for the main course. I'll make this short. We've installed a Teraflex Leveling kit. And, I sort-a goofed up and bought Hancook Dynapro 315 x 70 x 17 A/Ts, mounted on American Racing, Anson Off Road, 17"x8" x 4.25" back spaced wheels. Well, all is well, for the street. But, going off road, even light off road stuff, caused those 315s to scrub the tops of the fenders, especially the rear ones. I beefed up the bump stops with some hockey pucks and that stopped the scrubbing. But, I only had about 1.5-1.75" of free travel in the rear, before the bump stops made contact.


The most important point we had to keep in mind, with whatever remedy that was in store for us was the fact that, we LOVE the way this Jeep drives and handles. All this "Break dive and body roll" stuff, doesn't exist for us. The Jeep has an outstanding ride for us, and that's all that's important.

So, the remedy for scrubbing tires on fenders was to be chosen from three potentials.

1. A spring lift, around maybe a 2.5" - 3" which, entails all the stuff needed that has to be changed, in order for the Jeep to drive and ride, even close to factory handling.
2. Flattie fenders. Those would give an ultra amount of clearance for those 315s and, we'd keep the factory ride.
3. Loose a ton of money by selling the 315s (for whatever I could get for those brand new tires) and drop down to around 285 x 75 x 17s.

Well, I've read countless threads about numerous spring lifts and, the general consensus about ride AFTER just about any spring lift was that the Jeep rode "better". But, pinning down what the term BETTER meant, was like pulling teeth. And, a very large percentage of the folks ADMITTED that the ride of their jeep was MORE HARSH AFTER their spring lifts, no matter who made the lift and, almost no matter what the height increase was. So, needless to say, a spring lift was out as one of our remedies.

Next came the flattie fender/flares. Well, again, I read a few dozen threads on those. Many who responded to my inquiry about them were happy with their choices but, some weren't. In any case, THE WIFE, who also runs the major part of our two person marriage, was/is DEAD SET against any flattie fenders. She (and for the most part, me too) didn't want our $41,000 dollar Jeep looking like some Moab rock crawler. Not that there's anything wrong with that look, we just don't want ours to look like it.

As for dropping down a few sizes on tires and loosing a ton of money in the deal, well, two things. One. even with a chinsy leveling kit, smaller tires look hoakey on there. And two, especially on a JK, you need a larger tires to fill the larger fenders and, provide for a tad bit of extra ground clearance when off roading, depending on your off road capabilities and requirements.

So, that left us with one choice. The Mopar High Top Fender/flares. When I first looked at them, I was not liking the V-notch that lays between the top of the fender and, where the fender is attached to the steel sidewall. But, after looking at them on line and, at another posters Jeep on this forum, the CEO and I decided those were the answer. So, we called our local Jeep dealership.

Guess what, the parts guy said they were back ordered, 880 sets to be exact!!!!!!!!!!!! Whaaaaaaaaaaaaatttttttttt???? Are you kidding me? He couldn't believe it either. He did some checking and, called me back. He said they were not available, in the entire nation. Well, little did he know, we had already done some searching on our own and found them at Quadratech.

So, we ordered them up and, in three days, they were sitting in our garage. Now, the install, is supposed to be around oh, maybe three hours or so. But, I took a bit longer just cause I could and, I was doing other things while goofing around with them. When it's all said and done, the really good part to us is, they look almost exactly like the factory fenders. And that includes the look of the inside fenders too. You re-use those after a tad big of cutting and trimming. From the side of the Jeep, the average person might think the Jeep just has about a 4" lift on it. From the back, not much noticeable difference with the exception that, they cover those tire treads, almost perfectly out to the outer edge of the tire, like the whole tire/wheel/fender thing was planned. It wasn't.

But, looking at it from the front, is the most noticeable in change. And it's growing on me. It gets better every time I go look at it.

But in the end, we gained right at 4" of clearance for tire travel. I am ecstatic. We got to keep the factory ride, gained valuable tire/fender clearance needed and, keep the factory look to boot. I personally can't say enough good about this recent adjustment to our Jeep. I will say this, they're a bit pricey. But to us, being able to keep the factory ride, keep the factory look, AND gain the needed clearance for those 315s, was worth the price. Sorry for dragging this out but, I was just laying out the ground rules for our thought process. We love it.
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I liked these when they first came out. My issues with them is the Hard Rock rear bumper doesn't look as stock with them and I didn't like the Willy's/Rubicon sticker being somewhat covered. Stock ride is definitely more compliant. I personally like a firmer ride and with my J-Spec lift it rides firmer, but just as compliant as stock. I totally understand what path you are following though.
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Nice review.
Glad you found a solution!

Which front bumper is that? I like it.
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These fenders grow on me more and more each time I see them. Good review, OP.
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I don't understand why the jeep doesn't come with these stock
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Nice review.
Glad you found a solution!

Which front bumper is that? I like it.
The front bumper is a Smittybilt, XRC MOD. It comes as a center section stubby and, you can pick which set of "wings" you want on the ends. I forgot where we purchased it, maybe Northridge 4x4, not sure, will have to check with the CEO to help jog the memory.

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These fenders grow on me more and more each time I see them. Good review, OP.
Thanks for the nice comments. I wanted to get the point across that it wasn't all that hard of a project and, it allows for 35" tires and most importantly, you can retain the factory ride and handling characteristics, which was VERY important to us.

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I don't understand why the jeep doesn't come with these stock
Well, If you put these fenders on a bone stock Jeep, any Jeep, including a Rubi, Sahara, Sport, X and anything else, it would look like you've got skate board wheels and tires on it due to the massive clearance you'd see. They sure look like stock ones don't they?
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Do you mind taking a straight side shot photo? So you can see the entire profile of the jeep?
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The heck with the fenders, I want the frigging garage! Dude - what a nice place to hangout and work on your baby. You're so lucky.
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Looks really good. Thinking about doing this on my Jeep too.
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I got done with it a little late the other night and posted this thread. I'll get the Blue Moon out for a side shot so you can see the whole Jeep in its entirety. I gotta say, the more and more I look at it, I can't believe I not only racked my brain, trying to come up with a remedy for tire clearance and still wanted a factory ride, but also knowing these were out there and taking so long to decide on them. I should have done it weeks ago. I'd have a lot less grey hair.
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The heck with the fenders, I want the frigging garage! Dude - what a nice place to hangout and work on your baby. You're so lucky.
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I most certainly thank you for the nice comment on our garage. The house is only two years old and we purchased it brand new. It came with an RV garage attached that is 16' wide and 53' long. Our motor home normally sits in there and I do minor Jeep projects in the two car garage, not in the photo. But, for this one, I wanted to be closer to my "man cave" and tool box etc. so, I pulled the big girl out and, inserted the Blue Moon in there to work on the fender/flare project.

When the house was in escrow, I authorized the Selling agent to contract a commercial floor company to come in and do a commercial job of that epoxy floor. It's really, really nice to have a floor like that. I've wanted one like that for my whole life. Well, I finally got one. The only problem with the color choice I chose, when you drop a small screw, washer or nut on it, IT IMMEDIATELY DISAPPEARS!!!!

You can be standing or sitting right next to it but, it's camouflaged because of the flecks in the paint and color choice. I have to get down and put my eye at the floor level to scan the floor 'till I find what I've lost.

Anyway, thanks for the nice comment.
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You can be standing or sitting right next to it but, it's camouflaged because of the flecks in the paint and color choice. I have to get down and put my eye at the floor level to scan the floor 'till I find what I've lost.

Anyway, thanks for the nice comment.
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For that, a large pan might help you out
I work on my jeep in the streets and last week my friend just recommended one and it's going to help me a ton

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Very nice! Seems like a great way to go for us who don't like a lift but like larger tires
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Garage is amazing!
Fenders cool too. If I were to put bigger shoes on, I'd seriously consider this route.
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I don't understand why the jeep doesn't come with these stock
My opinion, this is just my opinion. Because they just don't look good. I'd much rather see Jeep put in an option for flat fenders before the high tops. I think they look squished in especially with the cutouts for the doors and gas cap, not to mention the partial blocking of the hood decals.

That being said, I bet they function awesomely with the additional clearance.
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My opinion, this is just my opinion. Because they just don't look good. I'd much rather see Jeep put in an option for flat fenders before the high tops. I think they look squished in especially with the cutouts for the doors and gas cap, not to mention the partial blocking of the hood decals.

That being said, I bet they function awesomely with the additional clearance.

Kadonny,
We all have opinions, that's why we live in America, at least most of us on the forum. And there's nothing wrong with your thoughts on these. The very first time I saw them, in a catalog, I thought "Ugh" those are hideous. And we dropped it for quite a while. But, we're getting ready for a trip to Sedona AZ and will be doing quite a bit of exploration there and, I was starting to panic 'cause we only had a couple of weeks left before we left on the trip. And you know how shipping can get, if you're in a hurry!!!

But, we re-visited those fenders and talked about it for a while. We kept looking at them and, visited the install of them by one of members here on the forum. Well, based on all the options, these were the best choice for us. I've even removed one of my hockey pucks from each corner so I get more travel on my bone stock suspension. So, we'll see how it goes in about a week and a half when we're out on some of AZs trails with at least three people and, a full tank of fuel.
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For that, a large pan might help you out
I work on my jeep in the streets and last week my friend just recommended one and it's going to help me a ton

I have a very large cookie sheet for things like that but, based on many jobs, and the required movement in multiple directions for each and every one of them, that large tray or cookie sheet just get's in the way. I surely thank you for your trying to help here. It's really not all that bad. I usually find whatever I've dropped one way or another. One way I use frequently is with a flash light. I put it horizontal on the floor so the beam spreads across the floor. Then I begin a sweep. Usually within a few seconds, that method finds what I've dropped.
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We all have opinions, that's why we live in America, at least most of us on the forum. And there's nothing wrong with your thoughts on these. The very first time I saw them, in a catalog, I thought "Ugh" those are hideous. And we dropped it for quite a while. But, we're getting ready for a trip to Sedona AZ and will be doing quite a bit of exploration there and, I was starting to panic 'cause we only had a couple of weeks left before we left on the trip. And you know how shipping can get, if you're in a hurry!!!

But, we re-visited those fenders and talked about it for a while. We kept looking at them and, visited the install of them by one of members here on the forum. Well, based on all the options, these were the best choice for us. I've even removed one of my hockey pucks from each corner so I get more travel on my bone stock suspension. So, we'll see how it goes in about a week and a half when we're out on some of AZs trails with at least three people and, a full tank of fuel.
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Scott, as long as they work for you, then I'm happy for you. When I first saw the pictures I liked them.....until I saw a different angle with the cutouts and I just didn't care for them. But again, if you are happy that's all that matters. Good luck with them.
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Can't believe those suckers are roughly $900! But there again, cheaper than a lift and retaining the stock suspension has to be worth a lot.

How big of a tire do you think you can stuff under them without rubbing? Or does anything else need to be modified?
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Can't believe those suckers are roughly $900! But there again, cheaper than a lift and retaining the stock suspension has to be worth a lot.

How big of a tire do you think you can stuff under them without rubbing? Or does anything else need to be modified?
Thunderjet,
IN the specs for those Mopar High Top fenders, they clearly state you can run 35" tires WITH NO SUSPENSION MODS. And, you can run 37"s with a 2" lift. I have a 1.5" Teraflex leveling kit which, for all intent and purpose, it's 2" up front and 1" in the rear. When I first put those 315s on the Jeep, man I thought those things were HUGE! But now, after the leveling kit and, those fenders, they're looking more like small version 33s.

The wife and I are very, very happy with them. We get our factory ride, have the necessary clearance for those 315s and, while yes, they're a bit costly, we have what appears as about a 4" lifted Jeep with 35s, for waaaaaaaaay less than what that would actually have cost to get it that way with a real lift.

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Arizona looks just like I imagined it to look
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Thanks for the photos, looks great!
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Never been here? You ought to take some time and come visit. Tons of trails all over the state, thousands miles and, tons of history, mines, ghost towns, very scenic areas and more. Elevation from oh, around 200' to around 7-8-9,000 or more while on those trails.
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Never been here? You ought to take some time and come visit. Tons of trails all over the state, thousands miles and, tons of history, mines, ghost towns, very scenic areas and more. Elevation from oh, around 200' to around 7-8-9,000 or more while on those trails.
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I would love to, I am from NY and while I have a good job, we work like animals with very little vacation and sick days, so I would have to quit my job just to travel, which is not too far fetched actually.

Also, I have no one in AZ at the moment.

I hear Scarsdale is amazing.
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Hi FIRED UP
In your first post you stated: "And that includes the look of the inside fenders too. You re-use those after a tad big of cutting and trimming." How much cutting and trimming are you talking? Special tools required to do a decent job?
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Very nicely done Fire Up! The Jeep looks great, and I concur 100% with your write up of the Mopar High Top Fender Flares. I've built several lifted JKs before, but for my current JK I kept the suspension stock, and used the High Top fender flares instead. This Jeep drives and handles much better than any of the other lifted JKs did, and it is soooo much more enjoyable to drive. And its not like I used cheap suspensions on the other JKs. One had an Icon suspension on it, another had a Teraflex suspension with Fox shocks, and another had an AEV suspension on it. Those were all good suspensions, but they didn't drive overall as well as my stock Rubicon Recon does.

Hey, I just noticed you're in Lake Havasu. I just sent $5000 worth of Fox shocks to Lake Havasu yesterday, to have Gary Fries revalve them and rework the internal bypass ports, and correct the spring rates. It is for my Can Am Maverick X3 RS.

Seems like there are lots of go fast guys in Lake Havasu, from desert racing.
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Arrow In mid-2017 dicsounted prices for these High Top Fenders can range ~$675

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See if they can get the price down, my dealer sells these for 725 for the four. Makes them seem better for the 100 bucks less, I want them but haven't seen them in person yet.
If you have access to several dealers, you may be able to find a MOPAR dealer willing to give you a greater discount. You should be able to work a quote more in the $675 range, and if really fortunate, a bit lower. If you just bought a Wrangler from a dealer you can try appealing from that basis.

These are a bit pricey for what they are, but if maintaining an "OEM Fender look," and fitting 35's (w/o a suspension lift) is important, these are the option.

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