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Old 06-26-2015, 12:17 AM
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New Dodge Ram 1500 Gets 29 mpg's Highway?

Can we expect the same for the 2016 JK with diesel engine?



but only 240 HP's?

And shud I be jelly about the air suspension?



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Can we expect the same for the 2016 JK with diesel engine?



but only 240 HP's?
Look at the torque though. Unless its a race car, HP numbers don't really mean alot.

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More torque is probably better for a Wrangler anyway.
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You're missing the 420 LB-Ft of torque
Hope they put this in the Wrangler for 2016
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You're missing the 420 LB-Ft of torque
Hope they put this in the Wrangler for 2016
I just read its already in the Grand Cherokee but its $4,000 more.
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Can we expect the same for the 2016 JK with diesel engine?



but only 240 HP's?
Yep, My Pops bought one and drove from OKC to Colorado Springs to pick up '72 Monte Carlo I bought for him as a project. Said his average was 31 mpg, all highway with just a little city and lots of hills/mountain roads once near Colorado. I'm waiting for him to tell me how his mpg was trailer'ing that tank back to OKC.

Im a fan of that 3.0 diesel. Im not worried about that low hp number. Im in love with that big tq number tho....lol
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I forgot to compare the torque
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Old 06-26-2015, 12:51 AM   #8
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Only 240 hp?!!!

My how times have changed. As a kid, the giant v8s in all those land yachts people drove were well below 200 HP and only had 3 speed slushboxes to connect em to the wheels. These days no one is happy if you have less than drag racer engines!
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Can we expect the same for the 2016 JK with diesel engine? but only 240 HP's? And shud I be jelly about the air suspension?

No one knows which diesel we'll get but if any I'd expect a 4 cyl.


As for air suspension, it's been extremely problematic on the Grand Cherokee from what I've read and it would just add complexity to lifting it.
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New RAM***. Dodge doesn't make Rams. Ram and Dodge are completely separate and independent brands. Ram went out on their own in 2011 making the first Ram branded 1500 in 2012 still under the FCA umbrella.
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I just read its already in the Grand Cherokee but its $4,000 more.
And not selling very well.

That's the prime reason that we might not ever see a diesel in a JK, and at this stage, I would say its a sure bet not in a 2016.
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Funny.... "Only" 240 HP. (Youngsters) Doesn't matter.
Torque is what pins you back in the seat and at 420 lb.ft. of torque probably there at 1800-2000 rpms and up flat through the power band.
That will be a real stump puller.
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Part of the reason the diesel doesn't sell well is that you have to buy a premium package to get it. If they put it in a base(i don't know the GC models..sorry) it would be better. We looked at one in 2014, and I found one for the same sticker as our durango, but wanted the extra length and the 3rd row seat. IF they put it in the durango i would have been all over it. Settled for the hemi. Still have gotten almost 23mpg on some trips. I did all the math and if you compare package to package, the diesel is only about $1500 more than the hemi...at least it was in 2014.

BTW...diesel is about 10 cents per gallon cheaper here right now. I'd be singing all the way to the bank.

Would love to see it in a JK.
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I'll bet we do see a diesel in the next Wrangler, but it will be a 4 versus a 6.
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There isn't a strong enough business case for diesel Wranglers in the US yet. I know there are plenty on here that want it but it doesn't have the same demand as overseas. They have other improvements they need to make like weight loss before they spend the money to certify a diesel JK in the US. While a Wrangler makes more sense than a Ram or Grand Cherokee because the cult following will pay the premium, at this point in the product cycle it wouldn't make sense.

I could be completely wrong but this is my $0.02. There isn't a big enough market for it right now and with 90% of the country having cheaper gas than diesel, people are buying gas engine vehicles.
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Funny.... "Only" 240 HP. (Youngsters) Doesn't matter.
Torque is what pins you back in the seat and at 420 lb.ft. of torque probably there at 1800-2000 rpms and up flat through the power band.
That will be a real stump puller.
Well it's going down from the 280 that jeep currently offers. HP is what sells engines like it or not.

And I like to go fast!
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diesel stays at least $.50 higher than regular gas here.
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I'll bet we do see a diesel in the next Wrangler, but it will be a 4 versus a 6.
But most likely a turbo diesel correct?
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Well it's going down from the 280 that jeep currently offers. HP is what sells engines like it or not.
But "We" can know better Torque is what we use, feel and makes us grin.

We will see what Jeep puts in the next Gen Wrangler which is still a couple Years away.
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But most likely a turbo diesel correct?
Aside from maybe agricultural and industrial equipment, no one does non turbo diesels any more.
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Personally, I would love to see an LS3/LS6 in the Jeep LOL
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I drove a GC with the 3.0 and 8 speed tranny.
Very smooth and impressive.

They should put it in a vehicle that would sell like hotcakes to get it out there instead of a very expensive GC.

Putting it into a Wrangler would get it out there and get more people more interested in Diesels...
I loved the drive today...very, very smooth and quick.
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To get big hp and torque numbers, most likely you would have to make the engine larger, say as our 2012 6.7 Ford psd which has 400 hp and 800 torque, only problem is it is to big and heavy for our Jeeps. That 3.0 might just be the ticket. It probably has plenty of torque and good fuel mileage.
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I have a '14 GC Limited with the 3.0/8 speed. It is SWEET! I would love to have that powertrain in my Rubi but Fiat will never do it. We had to look to find ours, and even it was a demo, which was ok by me since we got it loads cheaper than sticker. You just don't see a whole bunch on the lots and frankly every time I say I have a diesel GC people look at me like I have a cantaloupe growing out of my ear. I don't think Fiat are pushing these like they should, and if they don't sell we won't see a diesel Wrangler thats simple economics. It really is a shame since my two ton SUV gets about 26mpg on the town/country loop and about 29 hiway.
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I really don't see the diesel motor coming to the wranglers anytime soon. The biggest two reasons will be 1.EPA, which continues to choke the diesel motors more and more every year. First it was the awesome idea of recirculating soot back into the engine... now we have that plus DPFs and urea injection to the exhaust, constant re-gens on trucks that don't see the highway too often. I'd like to see how that works for the wheelers and rock crawlers.
Simple solution you say... DELETE? Sure, spend $3000 on a kit and software once someone successfully cracks the computer. 2013 and up CTD wasn't "successfully" deleted until a few months ago, RAM is making it near imposible to delete their engines. Oh, and for the Cali boys, thats just not gonna happen all together.

2. Premium diesel engine price and higher fuel cost that does not offset the higher cost of purchase on a non commercial vehicle.

A diesel engine will give you higher torque numbers, that's the key to better MPG's and better constant power under load. Hook up a heavy trailer to a HD truck and then you see why a diesel engine is an advantage over a gasser. Daily driver? in a 5 year span you might be able to brake even with the premium engine cost.
Aside from that, a gasser is a much better all around option, period. Diesel engines are cool, but not functional for a vehicle like a wrangler. $4000 will buy you A LOT of gas, and when you ad shorter span between fuel filters, oil changes etc, etc, etc, then you realize that a diesel engine won't do anything for you.
If chrysler decides to stick a diesel with a torque rating of 400# or more, the rears and the transmission will have to go as well or the engine will chew those in no time at all.
Point in case, Chrysler threw the same 48RE that they used for the gasser version of the Ram behing the 5.9CTD and they (us owners really) had nothing but trouble with the transmission.
I have had several diesel engine vehicles. From triaxle mack dumps to my CTD pick ups. My honest opinion? Unless you need a diesel, you don't want one.
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The WA580 is rated for 429 ftlbs .But I think they are planning on using the 8 speed and the HD rear axle.
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That's what some are saying. The 8 speed ZF is a great transmission, not cheap and not small. I'd love to see that in a JK. HD rears will have to come at a higher cost as well. All that is great, but it won't be cheap and thats when more often than none, bean counters will end a project before it even starts.
Thats what happened to the Toyota Tundra turbo diesel, a project that was killed and resurrected at least 3 times and then put to rest for good according to Toyota. Nissan saw the opportunity and took it, V8 5.0L cummins for the Titan, we'll see how that goes, however, being a pick up truck, it has a better survival chance, as there already is a big market for diesel trucks.

Just like all other brands, the wrangler diesel did great overseas, but was never introduced here for the same reason toyota don't sell their TD land cruisers, four runners, and cars that they sell hand over fist every where else.
I am not against a diesel wrangler, just don't see the point/market for it, but I could be wrong. Heck, in 2007 I was one of the biggest critics of the JKU... now I own one!
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Diesel engines get preferential treatment overseas in the form of heavy taxation of gasoline engines and of gasoline fuel.

Despite all the glamour Diesel engines get in Jeep circles, they are a lot more expensive to build and they cost a lot of more money to buy; without the subsidies diesels enjoy elsewhere, very few Americans are willing to pay for them --unless for very specific uses like heavy towing.
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Doesn't the grand Cherokee diesel also have to compete with a v 8 option as well? If you combine the high option package price and a v8 alternative that makes the diesel a tough sell.

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