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Old 12-04-2016, 10:39 AM
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New OEM LED headlights and fog lights are epic

Picked up my new '17 yesterday. Ordered it with the LED Lighting Group. These things absolutely blow away all the aftermarkets. JW Speaker, TruckLite, Quadratec, and all the Amazon china specials have nothing on these things. Honestly, I might not even bother putting the lightbar back on the bumper because I don't need it anymore.

The pattern and beam is perfect. On low beam, they have a great wide and even beam, with a nice sharp cutoff. And on high beam, you get a bright ass spot light that is high and focused ahead. The lows stay on with the highs. The fog lights also have an actual fog pattern, with it's flood of lights being lower than the headlights and cutting off lower. They are all a nice crisp white.

Top left: Fog light
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Middle: High beams
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Wow, nice would a set of these work in my 13' JKU...?

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Picked up my new '17 yesterday. Ordered it with the LED Lighting Group. These things absolutely blow away all the aftermarkets. JW Speaker, TruckLite, Quadratec, and all the Amazon china specials have nothing on these things. Honestly, I might not even bother putting the lightbar back on the bumper because I don't need it anymore.

The pattern and beam is perfect. On low beam, they have a great wide and even beam, with a nice sharp cutoff. And on high beam, you get a bright ass spot light that is high and focused ahead. The lows stay on with the highs. The fog lights also have an actual fog pattern, with it's flood of lights being lower than the headlights and cutting off lower. They are all a nice crisp white.

Top left: Fog light
Top right: Headlight
Middle: High beams
Bottom left: Low beam pattern
Bottom right: Self explanitory

I'm assuming you have owned all of those to make that comparison, I have a set of Led headlights on my 2010 and I test drove a few of the newer 2017s with leds and honestly they leave a lot to desire compared to what I'm running. Without the fogs on there is a dead spot between where the jeep is and where the beam patterns starts.

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I'm assuming you have owned all of those to make that comparison, I have a set of Led headlights on my 2010 and I test drove a few of the newer 2017s with leds and honestly they leave a lot to desire compared to what I'm running. Without the fogs on there is a dead spot between where the jeep is and where the beam patterns starts.
Owned all of them? No. I owned the Quadratec ones. But I have known, met, seen, and evaluated all the other brands in person. What you describe is not my experience. The beam covers exactly as it should with no dead spots anywhere. The only "dead spot" is directly in front of the bumper, where you can't even see to begin with unless you have xray vision. That is not a fault. That is correct design. The way it throws light is exactly how it should. Not overloading the immediate foreground, wide and even beam, sharp cutoff, long distance highs. My friend's '17 also has the LED package, and results are the same.

Using the fogs on dry road in good weather is actually not a good idea. All that immediate foreground illumination reflects back into your face. Your eyes will close up the iris. This greatly reduces your ability to see in the distance or sides. It's like shining a light in your face and acting surprised you can't see what's ahead of you. The old incandescent fogs were so pathetic, it wasn't even a factor. But these things, damn.

I also have Amazon LED fog lights. They actually had a great beam and cut off for $60. I believe the JW Speaker fogs were also quite good. But these OEM ones are even better. You need to use them as intended because they are bright enough to actually do that. And bright enough to do more harm than good when used unnecessarily.
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Owned all of them? No. I owned the Quadratec ones. But I have known, met, seen, and evaluated all the other brands in person. What you describe is not my experience. The beam covers exactly as it should with no dead spots anywhere. The only "dead spot" is directly in front of the bumper, where you can't even see to begin with unless you have xray vision. That is not a fault. That is correct design. The way it throws light is exactly how it should. Not overloading the immediate foreground, wide and even beam, sharp cutoff, long distance highs.

Using the fogs on dry road in good weather is actually not a good idea. All that immediate foreground illumination reflects back into your face. Your eyes will close up the iris. This greatly reduces your ability to see in the distance or sides. It's like shining a light in your face and acting surprised you can't see what's ahead of you. The old incandescent fogs were so pathetic, it wasn't even a factor. But these things, damn.

I also have Amazon LED fog lights. They actually had a great beam and cut off for $60. I believe the JW Speaker fogs were also quite good. But these OEM ones are even better. You need to use them as intended because they are bright enough to actually do that. And bright enough to do more harm than good when used unnecessarily.
They have dead spot. I took a picture, when I find it I'll post it. For $800 someone can do better. The first thing I would do if I did buy one is removed the headlights and sell them and buy some projectors.

There is a dead spot on the both sides and right in front. The leds I have now don't have a dead spot in either spot. You need to have fogs on to get a proper pattern out of them

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Wow, nice would a set of these work in my 13' JKU...?
I believe you can. But you would need the dealer to do a programming update t disable the PWM on the headlight and foglight circuits. Otherwise they will flicker. You could use the anti-flicker harnesses, but I don't think you'll find anything plug-and-play because the connectors are different than the aftermarket lights.
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They have dead spot. I took a picture, when I find it I'll post it. For $800 someone can do better. The first thing I would do if I did buy one is removed the headlights and sell them and buy some projectors.
Well I posted pictures as someone who actually owns them beyond a test drive, and there is no dead spot. Furthermore, they are also not $800. They are $595 MSRP, and at 7% under invoice, I got them for $492. Anything else?
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Well I posted pictures as someone who actually owns them beyond a test drive, and there is no dead spot. Furthermore, they are also not $800. They are $595 MSRP, and at 7% under invoice, I got them for $492. Anything else?
Still pretty pricey for bulbs and I've test drove one for over night and drive at night and there is a dead spot.

Here is the projectors I'm running, I would install these on a new jeep and sell those factory ones. There is no dead spot at all



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These are the full size photos. Taken with the camera in front of and above the driver's side mirror for perspective. From sitting in the driver seat looking over the hood, you can see the road starting just at the yellowish lower cutoff of the beam. And the intensity ramps up as you move further out. Which is exactly how the beam should be designed.


Low beam only:


Low beam and fogs:
You can see where the fogs illuminate the immediate foreground, which is the lower end of the low beams and a little below the low beam cutoff. Again, exactly how they should be.

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High beams, which keep the lows on but shut the fogs off:
And the highs are basically a wide spot beam off in the distance, helping you see further ahead and even up hills. Exactly as they should be.

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Well your projectors compared to my OEM LEDs look pretty lame actually. And there is still no dead spot on the OEM ones, so you can probably drop that now. That is not at all "pricey". $430 got me headlights and fog lights. compared to your just headlights. Which is less than or equal to the cost of clearly inferior aftermarket ones, with no modification or adapters.

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Well your projectors compared to my OEM LEDs look pretty lame actually. $430 got me headlights and fog lights. compared to your just headlights. Which is less than or equal to the cost of clearly inferior aftermarket ones, with no modification or adapters. That is not at all "pricey". But whatever you have to tell yourself....

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Well that was taken with a crappy cellphone camera but looks like your pretty convinced, or just got blinders on

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So now it's the camera's fault? Ok. So far nothing you've said has been true and you've shown no evidence to the contrary. Not sure I'm the one with blinders on here.
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So now it's the camera's fault? Ok. So far nothing you've said has been true and you've shown no evidence to the contrary. Not sure I'm the one with blinders on here.
Like I said you can see in your pictures the dead spots, but if your happy that's all that matters. If I end up buying a new rubi they will be the first thing to go, because of the dead spots and the fact that they look like crap as well.


Here is another shot of them, no dead spots, clearly not inferior, without fogs on lights up right in front of the jeep as well




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OP: that's good pricing and awesome your happy with them. IMO the seem to have great lighting and so much better than the old stock halogens, that we all can agree sucked, fogs too. Me personally I don't care for the looks of them. I have always been skeptical of putting LED or Projector lights on a Wrangler. Just looks odd to me.

That being said, I have the "BEST" LED projector lights and the LED hogs and love them. Not only looks but beam and color output. Seen other Knock-offs in person, JWs and KC and mine look better to me and both under $400. I get compliments and questions about them all the times.

Just because you like the OEM ones, not everyone will agree and again, it's your opinion. But that's ALL that matters!!

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Apparently you're seeing things. Since no such dead spot exists, nor has anyone but you reported such thing. Seriously, I get that you've decided yours must be better. But nothing you've proclaimed has been true and you're making yourself look foolish.
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I'm not getting involved in this pissing match- I've got projector HIDs that I'm very happy with, but those new OEM LED options look terrific, and I would have certainly opted for them if they were available when I ordered, based on the photos posted.
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I just picked up a 17 with the new lights and I have to say I am impressed. I have a f150 with the new LED lights and a newer escalade and I think the jeep lights are on par with the other vehicles. The lights have good color and distance...MUCH better than the 15 jeep that I traded.

The downfall...I do notice some dead spots. There is a dead spot between the front of the vehicles and the light spread and and dead spots on the left/front and right/front of the vehicle (the beam is narrower than my other vehicles). My other vehicles light up turns much better at night...that is my only complaint about the jeep lights.

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I just picked up a 17 with the new lights and I have to say I am impressed. I have a f150 with the new LED lights and a newer escalade and I think the jeep lights are on par with the other vehicles. The lights have good color and distance...MUCH better than the 15 jeep that I traded.

The downfall...I do notice some dead spots. There is a dead spot between the front of the vehicles and the light spread and and dead spots on the left/front and right/front of the vehicle (the beam is narrower than my other vehicles). My other vehicles light up turns much better at night...that is my only complaint about the jeep lights.

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Same here, not saying they are terrible lights but compared to what I'm running or say a set of visionX lights they aren't as good. I'm not sure about the JW Speakers but the Speakers are good lights.

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Again, that is not a dead spot. That's correct design. You're not supposed to have a ton of bright light in the immediate foreground directly in front of the vehicle where it serves no purpose to begin with. I've explained above already why.
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Again, that is not a dead spot. That's correct design. You're not supposed to have a ton of bright light in the immediate foreground directly in front of the vehicle where it serves no purpose to begin with. I've explained above already why.
You are supposed to have it the regular stock ones have it, no dead spots. You got dead spots to the right and left as well just like stated above by a owner of them. That was my consensus as well

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OK. Listen, you can make whatever ridiculous claim you want despite not even owning them and only seeing them during a test drive. My photos prove you have no clue what you're talking about and are simply wrong. You're wrong about dead spots. You were wrong about the price, and you're wrong about how bright they are. As is quite evident by the photos and pricing. But if that's what you need to tell yourself to, for some reason, justify your own purchase of something else, you do you. Facts and photos speak for themselves.

I'm done debating it with you. Happy to answer anyone else's questions or discuss any other aspects of it though.
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OK. Listen, you can make whatever ridiculous claim you want despite not even owning them and only seeing them during a test drive. My photos prove you have no clue what you're talking about and are simply wrong. You're wrong about dead spots. You were wrong about the price, and you're wrong about how bright they are. As is quite evident by the photos and pricing. But if that's what you need to tell yourself to, for some reason, justify your own purchase of something else, you do you. Facts and photos speak for themselves.

I'm done debating it with you. Happy to answer anyone else's questions or discuss any other aspects of it though.
I guess the other poster was wrong as well. What I'm stating are facts and you pictures show the dead spots and you can see them as well if you would of actually ran a set of headlight that don't have the dead spots.

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OK. Listen, you can make whatever ridiculous claim you want despite not even owning them and only seeing them during a test drive. My photos prove you have no clue what you're talking about and are simply wrong. You're wrong about dead spots. You were wrong about the price, and you're wrong about how bright they are. As is quite evident by the photos and pricing. But if that's what you need to tell yourself to, for some reason, justify your own purchase of something else, you do you. Facts and photos speak for themselves.

I'm done debating it with you. Happy to answer anyone else's questions or discuss any other aspects of it though.


Search more posts here. Same complaints with dead spots. But think it's nitpicking as well between lighting gurus. Avg Joe like me, look good. But so do my LED lights.


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Like I said you can see in your pictures the dead spots, but if your happy that's all that matters. If I end up buying a new rubi they will be the first thing to go, because of the dead spots and the fact that they look like crap as well.


Here is another shot of them, no dead spots, clearly not inferior, without fogs on lights up right in front of the jeep as well




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Jeepman: the OEM LED lights appear to have a wider spread of light that is more even as it approaches the periphery.

What would be nice would be to see the lights in the same environment.


To the OP: The cutoff is amazing, and the high beams do a great job of throwing light down range with the low beams lighting up the sides. Nice to see the cutoff still so sharp.

More importantly, both are a huge improvement over the stock halogen setup.
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The factory halogens are about as effective as lighting a candle and putting a piece of tin foil behind it as a reflector. I'm surprised they still use them at all.
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The factory halogens are about as effective as lighting a candle and putting a piece of tin foil behind it as a reflector. I'm surprised they still use them at all.
Anything is better than factory my only point about them is they don't have a dead spot right in front or to the sides although they are useless pretty much.

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OP I am glad you like your lights! I can find faults on all the lights , even the JW's that I have.. But I am not selling my 15 to buy a new Jeep for 150.00 dollar cheaper lights, and have to start modding all over again....Again as it was said above your happy and that's what counts!!! Use them well!! happy trails..
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Bottom line is they are better lighting than the current stock halogens. Everyone has opinions of what is good. I drove a Grand Cherokee and bought it because everyone said the 8 speed was epic, but I hated it. Lots of people hate the Alpine system in the Jeep and I loved it. I think the Jeep LED's look like crap aesthetically, but I feel the same way about the JW's. I think Smitybuilt products are garbage. Everyone has different opinions and if they are happy with it then who cares.
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I knew I should have waited for the 2017 headlights.

Other than camera photos (taken on automatic) and human opinions (based on lights seen weeks/months/years ago) could someone do something actually quantitative like sit a lumen meter out in front of them?

The human senses are worthless for anything other than side-by-side judgements - vision is especially bad.
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Original post. Can you please take a picture facing the jeep so I can see with the headlights look like.

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