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Old 12-24-2017, 09:01 PM   #31
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Would the MOPAR tail light guards fit over them I wonder?
Maybe with four spacers or by cutting out the center bar. The mounting screws will most likely line up. I would be in the same boat, or just ditch the guards.

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these guys demo all the functions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7b0mOHw7Ho
In this demo, the lights don't sequence when you brake (which IMHO is much better).

Now, if we can only find a vendor selling the red lens ones for around $230 (or less), I'm ready to place an order.
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In this demo, the lights don't sequence when you brake (which IMHO is much better). Now, if we can only find a vendor selling the red lens ones for around $230 (or less), I'm ready to place an order.
I thought it was probably the flashers sequencing but I could be wrong. Sequencing the brakes would be too distracting imo. I'm in for the red too. Is the price for 2 or just one.
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I'm in for the red too. Is the price for 2 or just one.
I am pretty sure that their $230 price is for both, since the website doesn't ask if you want the left or the right when adding it to your cart.
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I am pretty sure that their $230 price is for both, since the website doesn't ask if you want the left or the right when adding it to your cart.
Considering the OE stockers are $95 a piece, $230 doesn't seem outrageous for a pair. Would not want to have a safety item like this break often or malfunction...............
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Sequential blink pattern lets motorists KNOW which way you're turning.
People in your neck of woods can't figure out that a blink left light means turning left? If so, hazards must really confuse them.
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People in your neck of woods can't figure out that a blink left light means turning left?
Around here, a blinking left light means:
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  2. I might turn left somewhere in the next state.
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One other thought, I would like to hear if there is any noise interference with the radio with these new lights. I too put in an led backup light "bulb" in the oem housing that provides more light, but also plenty of noise to my radio when I go in reverse.
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I emailed spyder trying to find red lens models and they replied with the following. I found model 5084798 on a few of their sites for $250 or less.


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Your Spyder LED Tail Lights are covered by a 90-day warranty


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Your Spyder LED Tail Lights are covered by a 90-day warranty


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That is incorrect, 1yr warranty is the correct one
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That is incorrect, 1yr warranty is the correct one
Still not much for $200+ lights.
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The verbiage of the warranty from the spyder site seems to be all over the place. It could be used many different ways to refuse a claim.
These lights look to be a generic import that some others are also starting to private label and distribute.
Recon for example: https://www.gorecon.com/products/149/Jeep-Wrangler
Maybe others will have a better warranty for theirs.

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  • <LI id=t95>Any Spyder Auto products that are found to be defective are covered for a period of 1 Year (If purchased after 3-1-2015) following the original purchase date. <LI id=t95>Please use the bulbs provided with our products to complete installation. If bulbs are not provided, please transfer your OEM bulbs. Installing aftermarket bulbs such as; LEDs or HIDs will void the warranty on our product. <LI id=t95>Spyder Auto is not responsible for damage caused by bulbs not supplied with the units. <LI id=t95>All warranty claims must be accompanied by the original proof of purchase. Please keep all boxes, warranties and owner's manuals when you receive them. They are very important in the event merchandise is damaged, becomes defective or needs to be returned. <LI id=t95>Spyder Auto will warrant that your product will be free of defects in materials and workmanship under normal use by the original consumer purchaser for ninety days from the original purchase date. This limited warranty does not cover any damage caused by improper installation, road hazard, accident, racing, misuse, alteration or normal wear and tear. This limited warranty does not cover vehicles used in racing or competition or vehicles with settings other than those set forth in the original manufacturer's specifications. <LI id=t95>Cost of installation and labor is not covered in the warranty. Spyder Auto shall not be held liable for any incidental or consequential damages and/or injuries from the result of use of its parts. <LI id=t95>Any item that is returned as defective, and found to be non-defective will have no credit issued and part will be returned at sender's expense. <LI id=t95>Spyder Auto reserves the right to send replacement components for warranty/defective issues in the field. <LI id=t95>All defective items returned to Spyder Auto and verified to be defective will receive item credit. Please note that manufacturing defects are subject to the terms and conditions of Spyder Auto's warranties.
  • Items found to be defective within 30 days will have a return label issued by Spyder Auto. Any items found to be defective after 30 days will be shipped at the customer's expense. RMA number must be displayed on return label or box. Warranty items returned without an approved RMA number will be refused and returned to sender.
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It's a 1 yr warranty, the verbiage is very straight forward. I do not agree with you that "it's all over the place" statement. I would be more than happy to clarify any questions you may have.





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The verbiage of the warranty from the spyder site seems to be all over the place. It could be used many different ways to refuse a claim.
These lights look to be a generic import that some others are also starting to private label and distribute.
Recon for example: https://www.gorecon.com/products/149/Jeep-Wrangler
Maybe others will have a better warranty for theirs.

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  • <LI id=t95>Any Spyder Auto products that are found to be defective are covered for a period of 1 Year (If purchased after 3-1-2015) following the original purchase date. <LI id=t95>Please use the bulbs provided with our products to complete installation. If bulbs are not provided, please transfer your OEM bulbs. Installing aftermarket bulbs such as; LEDs or HIDs will void the warranty on our product. <LI id=t95>Spyder Auto is not responsible for damage caused by bulbs not supplied with the units. <LI id=t95>All warranty claims must be accompanied by the original proof of purchase. Please keep all boxes, warranties and owner's manuals when you receive them. They are very important in the event merchandise is damaged, becomes defective or needs to be returned. <LI id=t95>Spyder Auto will warrant that your product will be free of defects in materials and workmanship under normal use by the original consumer purchaser for ninety days from the original purchase date. This limited warranty does not cover any damage caused by improper installation, road hazard, accident, racing, misuse, alteration or normal wear and tear. This limited warranty does not cover vehicles used in racing or competition or vehicles with settings other than those set forth in the original manufacturer's specifications. <LI id=t95>Cost of installation and labor is not covered in the warranty. Spyder Auto shall not be held liable for any incidental or consequential damages and/or injuries from the result of use of its parts. <LI id=t95>Any item that is returned as defective, and found to be non-defective will have no credit issued and part will be returned at sender's expense. <LI id=t95>Spyder Auto reserves the right to send replacement components for warranty/defective issues in the field. <LI id=t95>All defective items returned to Spyder Auto and verified to be defective will receive item credit. Please note that manufacturing defects are subject to the terms and conditions of Spyder Auto's warranties.
  • Items found to be defective within 30 days will have a return label issued by Spyder Auto. Any items found to be defective after 30 days will be shipped at the customer's expense. RMA number must be displayed on return label or box. Warranty items returned without an approved RMA number will be refused and returned to sender.
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It's a 1 yr warranty, the verbiage is very straight forward. I do not agree with you that "it's all over the place" statement. I would be more than happy to clarify any questions you may have.
For electronics, if they make it thru the first year, they will typically last for a long time (this weeds out the "infant mortality" components).

If some are hoping that if they crack/break a tail light while out on a trail, they'll be able to get it replaced under warranty, I doubt that will happen. You know, the ol' "it was just sitting in my garage and spontaneously shattered" claim.
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I spoke with the Spyder company yesterday and there is only one distributor right now and it's mentioned on this thread. They sold approx 35 pairs so far and they are made in Taiwan. They now have updated their website to include the red ones. He also verified that guards won't fit over these as expected. I think there is a chance the guards can be modified if one really wants them though. Waiting on Mr. Hilldwellers review when he gets out of the woods. Want to make sure their is no radio interference with the leds, "that would be a real deal-breaker for me" I told the rep, I don't want to put junk on my Jeep, and he said, "no they are well made". Time will tell, and the warranty I never concern my self with. There are consumer laws on the books, it's better that the company will stand by their products. Normally I just pull the trigger on something this inexpensive for a try, but I consider it a safety item and Bill takes that very seriously also.
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Just checked the site and they do have all 3 versions available. I want to get a set and am leaving to the smoked ones as they will match my black paint the best. Anyone think the smoked lenses will affect brightness of these? Looks like the reverse light lens is also smoked.


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I spoke with the Spyder company yesterday and there is only one distributor right now and it's mentioned on this thread. They sold approx 35 pairs so far and they are made in Taiwan. They now have updated their website to include the red ones. He also verified that guards won't fit over these as expected. I think there is a chance the guards can be modified if one really wants them though. Waiting on Mr. Hilldwellers review when he gets out of the woods. Want to make sure their is no radio interference with the leds, "that would be a real deal-breaker for me" I told the rep, I don't want to put junk on my Jeep, and he said, "no they are well made". Time will tell, and the warranty I never concern my self with. There are consumer laws on the books, it's better that the company will stand by their products. Normally I just pull the trigger on something this inexpensive for a try, but I consider it a safety item and Bill takes that very seriously also.
Which distributor has these ?

The red set might tempt me, I just wonder how bright the reverse light is
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Which distributor has these ?

The red set might tempt me, I just wonder how bright the reverse light is
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I have been in the market for aftermarket tail lights. Wish I had seen this topic a few weeks before Xmas, then Santa would have brought me a set of smoked ones. So instead, I had to order a pair today. Love the sequential feature. These sweet looking tail lights make the J.W. Speaker J Series LED Tail Lights, look butt ugly.
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So, after a week in the woods, they still work as intended. I still like them.
Would prefer the black plastic in a textured finish like the fenders and hardtop, but that's just aesthetics.

I've shown them to every JK owner I could bump into in the woods ---- not many. But one retired couple really liked them; that mattered to me because they're not forum junkies like us.

Now, what I mean about the sequential thing. Distracted drivers, old people, young people, stupid people. The moving lights grab your attention and direct it toward your intended move. The retired couple agreed that they help to mitigate the stupid factor.
Mrs Retired thought the backup lights were too bright though. Mr Retired loved them.

I'll get them pretty muddy in a couple of weeks during our annual Country Fried Weekend. They saw some trail use and very cold temps this past week. Lots of rattling around, lots of bumps. They worked perfectly, even with my trailer wiring.

I'll also get my hands on a portable spectrum analyzer to see if there's any spurious RF to worry about. They didn't interfere with my AM/FM/Sirius, 2M, 70CM, or CB during the week.

I took some pics and videos. I'll see if any are worth posting. They were mostly done at 16 degrees and several beers....
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So, after a week in the woods, they still work as intended. I still like them.
Would prefer the black plastic in a textured finish like the fenders and hardtop, but that's just aesthetics.

I've shown them to every JK owner I could bump into in the woods ---- not many. But one retired couple really liked them; that mattered to me because they're not forum junkies like us.

Now, what I mean about the sequential thing. Distracted drivers, old people, young people, stupid people. The moving lights grab your attention and direct it toward your intended move. The retired couple agreed that they help to mitigate the stupid factor.
Mrs Retired thought the backup lights were too bright though. Mr Retired loved them.

I'll get them pretty muddy in a couple of weeks during our annual Country Fried Weekend. They saw some trail use and very cold temps this past week. Lots of rattling around, lots of bumps. They worked perfectly, even with my trailer wiring.

I'll also get my hands on a portable spectrum analyzer to see if there's any spurious RF to worry about. They didn't interfere with my AM/FM/Sirius, 2M, 70CM, or CB during the week.

I took some pics and videos. I'll see if any are worth posting. They were mostly done at 16 degrees and several beers....


Thanks Bill, I just placed an order for the red ones, I will update with my opinion when I get them installed and try them out for awhile. Happy New Year!
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@gregbj33 , re "Anyone think the smoked lenses will affect brightness of these?", I have been wondering that myself. Aside from any data that the manufacturer may provide, a general answer to your question copied from another site is: "Smoke" refers to a custom tail light assembly with a dark tinted lens cover. Most often, smoke tail lights are equipped with chrome background bezels because the greater reflective ability of chrome offsets brightness lost through the tinted cover piece. The amount of tinting determines how much light the lens cover blocks as well as how bright the chrome background appears to the eye. more details on - https://www.carid.com/articles/led-t...g-or-both.html

The same question can even be asked of the red tail lights because: "Red" tail light covers feature a heavy degree of red tinting on the lens cover for a more traditional look. more details on - https://www.carid.com/articles/led-t...g-or-both.html
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@gregbj33 , re "Anyone think the smoked lenses will affect brightness of these?", I have been wondering that myself. Aside from any data that the manufacturer may provide, a general answer to your question copied from another site is: "Smoke" refers to a custom tail light assembly with a dark tinted lens cover. Most often, smoke tail lights are equipped with chrome background bezels because the greater reflective ability of chrome offsets brightness lost through the tinted cover piece. The amount of tinting determines how much light the lens cover blocks as well as how bright the chrome background appears to the eye. more details on - https://www.carid.com/articles/led-t...g-or-both.html

The same question can even be asked of the red tail lights because: "Red" tail light covers feature a heavy degree of red tinting on the lens cover for a more traditional look. more details on - https://www.carid.com/articles/led-t...g-or-both.html
I would not get a smoked lens under any circumstance. We have enough problems without an insurance adjuster listing a smoked tail light as a "causing factor" in your rear end collision....

The reflective material in lights isn't chrome, btw. It's vaporized aluminum and much more reflective than chrome.

The dude in the video also said something that always bothers me. He said "DOT approved". The DOT doesn't have approval power.
Spyder certifies the lights as compliant with FMVSS-108 and that means they're compliant with anything the DOT cares about.
The back-up lights are pretty bright and I have a question mark over my head as to whether they're actually compliant... ...but that's one of those areas that doesn't bother me too much (I say with some degree of embarrassment). I've been wanting more than 400 or 500 candela back there for years.
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I would not get a smoked lens under any circumstance. We have enough problems without an insurance adjuster listing a smoked tail light as a "causing factor" in your rear end collision....
Appreciate your analysis and opinions on the Spyder tail lights despite the 1-year warranty. Smoked OEM tailights have been available on many vehicles like the 80's Trans Am. Were the smoked lens different? Some aftermarket tail light manufacturers like JW/Anzo etc have smoked tail light versions available.
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The dude in the video also said something that always bothers me. He said "DOT approved". The DOT doesn't have approval power.
Spyder certifies the lights as compliant with FMVSS-108 and that means they're compliant with anything the DOT cares about.
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In the US and Canada, lighting products are certified by the lighting manufacturer as compliant, and unless the certification is "clearly erroneous," the certification will stand. The reputable manufacturer will state that its products are "designed to conform" to the elements of the FMVSS-108 requirements.
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