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Old 01-15-2018, 08:27 PM   #211
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Wondering if drilling a couple holes at the bottom would be a good idea.... meh probably not

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I just happen to find amusement in solving problems, even problems that donít effect me.
I am not sure, yet, if there is even a problem.

All we have is some speculation that water might enter the inner parts of the light, but not one person has yet posted they actually have water in there.

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Why donít you guys pm/ contact brp330 and address your issues with him? Maybe there is a problem maybe there is not.
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Why donít you guys pm/ contact brp330 and address your issues with him? Maybe there is a problem maybe there is not.
There is a problem. They need to be sealed. You can see the board behind the side leds. Water/road salt can get in there and round the edges. There also isn't any attachment points to secure the connections like on the OEM. I'm not sending mine back I'll fix the problems, but they are problems to me nevertheless.
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I am not sure, yet, if there is even a problem.

All we have is some speculation that water might enter the inner parts of the light, but not one person has yet posted they actually have water in there.


I completely agree. Yet another reason opening them up could yield some insight into the ďperceived problem.Ē And if the issue exists, it can be addressed at that time.

I really liked the fix that a couple of guys did with the epoxy in the LED hole. I have questions regarding the back of that LED.




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I completely agree. Yet another reason opening them up could yield some insight into the ďperceived problem.Ē And if the issue exists, it can be addressed at that time.

I really liked the fix that a couple of guys did with the epoxy in the LED hole. I have questions regarding the back of that LED. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
What's the point of opening them up ? Normally problems develop over time so there will be nothing to see.

I'm not discouraging anyone from buying these lights. I like them a lot, but in my opinion there could be potential problems down the road and I'm not waiting to find out. That's why I'm taking preemptive action now before a real problem exists. I'm not the only one here who feels that way (!)

It's zero here today. Too cold to pull the lights so I put some packaging tape over the side leds. There's already a bunch of road salt in there but at least the tape will keep more from getting in. I'll take them off in the spring and use epoxy.
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Those conversions are not going to be compliant. The shape and contour of the lights are the way they are to be able to be compliant
True dat.
I like the idea of the flush kits, the military kits, but they're not legal. It's the shape of the corners that are to blame.




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@Hilldweller (OP) do you share the same concerns, or does your set of lights not show any of these issues mentioned above?
My side LED is sunken like all the others but I don't have the mystery crack. And the sunken LED is funny looking but isn't a "flaw".

So far I haven't had any problems with water intrusion. Or mud. Got into lots of mud over the long weekend, bumped one light on a tree. Gave the tree a nice mark but the light cleaned up and looks undamaged.
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True dat.
I like the idea of the flush kits, the military kits, but they're not legal.
I agree they might be illegal. My reasoning is that a flush tail light would omit (be missing) the legally required side markers.
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Mine arrived today, hope to get them installed over the weekend.

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Mine arrived today, hope to get them installed over the weekend.

I think you are going to like them, they look/work so much better than stockers. Love it when I hit my remote start from the house, they blink once , then the second blink does the sequential. LEDS so much quicker to light than the stock bulbs. Unusual for me that it has such a favorable impact for so few $'s and minimal time/fuss of install. Hope they hold up and don't develop any reliability issues. The company appears solid and Taiwan is known for quality circuitry. Time will tell, and if NG no big deal, just swap back in the stock ones in ten minutes............
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Fitted the taillights today. Just did a quick verification of them working, but otherwise had a really busy day and did not get to drive my Jeep today.















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Anyone else see this problem too?
I noticed yesterday a "drop" or "bubble" of water sitting on the bottom on the side marker LED. I watched it, and it just sat there. No sign of it leaking into the tail light.
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Looking at the photos, they donít sit flush to the body? Or was it just a photo during installation


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Looking at the photos, they donít sit flush to the body? Or was it just a photo during installation


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If you are referring to my post, the taillights do fit flush to the body. No fit issue.
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Those conversions are not going to be compliant. The shape and contour of the lights are the way they are to be able to be compliant
LED tail lights that are sleek, trail-friendly and body-hugging without mods is on my bucket list. Not contesting that the Spyder units look great just wish they were thinner.

The PANDEMIC LED tail light conversion kits state on the website: "DOT compliant" multiple times:
https://www.pandemic-usa.com/Pandemi...p/pan-5003.htm

"PANDEMIC has finally developed a solution to get rid of the bulky OEM tail lights that come on all Jeep Wrangler JK's. The goal is not only about changing to a rugged new appearance but giving you a light that won't get ripped off while you are out playing on the trail! Our new LED Tail Light Conversion KIT allows you to remove your OEM tail light assemblies , cut the OEM mounts off, drill 6 holes & bolt on the new adapter plates with stainless steel button head hardware. All this is accomplished for a fraction of the cost of other full systems that are currently on the market. The kit features (2) 16 gauge ALUMINUM adapter plates that are precision LASER cut & CNC formed, (12) stainless steel button head bolts with Nylock nuts, (2) DOT approved 4" round flush mount LED Lights, (2) rubber grommets, (2) pig tails & (2) ULTRA bright white 7/8" diameter backup lights that feature over 140 Lumens each"
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LED tail lights that are sleek, trail-friendly and body-hugging without mods is on my bucket list. Not contesting that the Spyder units look great just wish they were thinner.

The PANDEMIC LED tail light conversion kits state on the website: "DOT compliant" multiple times:
https://www.pandemic-usa.com/Pandemi...p/pan-5003.htm
IMHO, Pandemic is basically lying. A Wrangler using them is not street legal because they don't have the integral side marker light required of the JK design.
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IMHO, Pandemic is basically lying. A Wrangler using them is not street legal because they don't have the integral side marker light required of the JK design.
I see your point about the possible DOT issue as that would apply to any flush mount application. If I design a flush mount I would install side markers and reflectors as needed for compliance and safety.
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Here is a short video I made to test out the Spyder LED Sequential tail lights. Hopefully this will help answer some of your concerns. So here it is!
I submerged them in water for 3 days to show that they will be okay if they come in contact with water. Hopefully this will help you out with some of your concerns. https://youtu.be/mOnyzpE5B2Q
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Very nice. Wish they come in flat black.
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So far I haven't had any problems with water intrusion. Or mud. Got into lots of mud over the long weekend, bumped one light on a tree. Gave the tree a nice mark but the light cleaned up and looks undamaged.
Slideshow of the 5 days in the slop to show what the lights were subjected to.
First day, mild and overcast. Second day, chilly with sideways rain. Third day, 22 degrees and windy. Fourth day, 14 degrees and windier. Fifth day, 65 degrees, sunny. Georgia weather; gotta love it.

The slideshow looks better on a big screen. Hard to appreciate the hills in the small box:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PARaX0fgld4

I've had these lights over a month and still like them a bunch. The only two things that I think aren't completely compliant are the reverse lights being too bright and the sequential thing happening on the third tap of the brakes.
And, for honesty's sake, neither of those things bother me more than a slight pedantic nag.

The law states that you need to be able to see them from the rear at 80 degrees to the outside and 45 degrees to the inside; they exceed that metric.
The law states that at least 50 square centimeters of lamp has to illuminate when the blinker starts up ----- all three "fins" light up on the first blink and that more than satisfies that.

Three things that would make them better, IMHO:
1) Amber turns
2) make the side marker flush and a little larger
3) texture the black part and take off the gloss

The people in my slideshow above are a mixed lot. Quite a few military vets, military reserves, active law enforcement, EMS, and a handful in the real world too.
Everybody liked the lights. One young lady said, "Like 'em? I LOVE 'EM!"
That was Cindy.

Here's Cindy; this video was featured on TV after Doug surprised her:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ86bXaKirA
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Pulled the trigger for the red one yesterday. Hope to get them this week so I can install this weekend and compare it to my JW speakers. Thanks Robert from BRP for talking to me and explain about the lights.
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Iíve had them for a month with no issues so far , i just hooked up my backup camera & the backup lights are great.
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This post convinced me as well - I've been looking for something like this forever. Placed an order for the smoked last night - and looks like I'll be selling my JW Speaker 279J's.
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Received my taillights yesterday. Look really good and great quality except the side marker. It has a little gap and you can see the circuit board. I think I will patch it up with a clear JB Weld epoxy.
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IMHO, Pandemic is basically lying. A Wrangler using them is not street legal because they don't have the integral side marker light required of the JK design.
Their 4" round LED lamp is a DOT compliant lamp intended to be part of a complete tail light assembly/system. Like you'd see on large truck or trailer.
By itself it's not compliant and Pandemic is selling a non compliant/illegal kit.

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FINALLY, someone who sees the how STUPID red turn signals are! Especially when they share the same light as the brakes!....
I believe the Euro Jeep comes with amber turns, but I also believe the connectors are different?

I would pay a pretty penny for decent looking LED tail lights with amber turn signals!!...
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Amber turn signals are mandatory in the EU. I'd support that for the US if anybody wanted my vote....

The sequential turn signals on the fire squads are amber, btw. And arrow shaped. Gotta love that, a separate light for brake/tail and turn.

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It was not a bad solution; in America we have amber or white front parking lights and amber or white daytime running lights, so everyone in America knows that a pair of steady amber lights means youíre looking at the approaching end of the vehicle.
Just in case you are a contestant on Jeopardy, you should know that this is not true in NYS. Its one of those old and forgotten laws that is rarely enforced today, except when the police don't get the big pay raise they think they deserve.

In NYS, amber lights are illegal on the front (pls don't shoot the messenger). That's because this law claims that amber is too similar to red. So, in NYS, its steady white lights that means you are looking at the approaching end of the vehicle. And steady red/amber lights that means you are looking at the retreating end of the vehicle.

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Just in case you are a contestant on Jeopardy, you should know that this is not true in NYS. Its one of those old and forgotten laws that is rarely enforced today, except when the police don't get the big pay raise they think they deserve.

In NYS, amber lights are illegal on the front (pls don't shoot the messenger). That's because this law claims that amber is too similar to red. So, in NYS, its steady white lights that means you are looking at the approaching end of the vehicle. And steady red/amber lights that means you are looking at the retreating end of the vehicle.


... OK.

Sooooo... what do they do about a new car that is sold in NYS with amber lamps on the front?
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I'll guess that's why you need headlights on, can't run only the parking lights. Not sure if that's true in other states
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Tested it out last night to compare them to my J.W Speakers. These are not brighter, I guess because the J.W Speakers have clear lens. However, the back up leds on these are super bright, they are way way brighter than the J.W Speakers.
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