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Old 02-07-2018, 03:18 PM   #241
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Tested it out last night to compare them to my J.W Speakers. These are not brighter, I guess because the J.W Speakers have clear lens. However, the back up leds on these are super bright, they are way way brighter than the J.W Speakers.
Do you have the smoked version?

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I have the red version, maybe the clear version will be brighter? The back up and the side markers are bright especially the back up. They could blind people behind.

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Just in case you are a contestant on Jeopardy, you should know that this is not true in NYS. Its one of those old and forgotten laws that is rarely enforced today, except when the police don't get the big pay raise they think they deserve.

In NYS, amber lights are illegal on the front (pls don't shoot the messenger). That's because this law claims that amber is too similar to red. So, in NYS, its steady white lights that means you are looking at the approaching end of the vehicle. And steady red/amber lights that means you are looking at the retreating end of the vehicle.

FMVSS108 is Federal and mandatory in all states ---- supersedes whatever a statie might throw at you.
https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-id...e49.6.571_1108
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Problem.

I haven't taken a spectrum analyzer to them yet so I'm not sure how bad it is or whether it renders them non-compliant yet.

RF and EM interference are big issues with vehicles these days. There are frequencies set aside for everything from air traffic to marine traffic to lane change detection to EMS/LEO to back up radar to remote start....
You get the picture.
So there are caps on what you can generate. Same with electromagnetic interference.
That's why Awitar was born:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...&v=DZ3kOZ5X-tk

I was stopped in traffic waiting for road construction the other day and listening to my county Sheriff radio traffic on the 2M radio. And the transmission was 10-1 with static.
Hmmmm. I wasn't far from the EOC repeater and should have a great signal ----- I thought it was due to RF from the construction team.
Then I took my foot off the brake and the static went away. Brake on, static; brake off, none. Interesting but not good.
This is in the 150 + MHz range, dedicated to EMS/LEO.

I have to find out the legal limits on spurious RF in this range and what else is coming out of the lights. I'll use one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogGOIiJmYTY
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FMVSS108 is Federal and mandatory in all states ---- supersedes whatever a statie might throw at you.
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Interesting. Though NYS law isn't contradictory, only more specific.
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In NYS, amber lights are illegal on the front (pls don't shoot the messenger). That's because this law claims that amber is too similar to red. So, in NYS, its steady white lights that means you are looking at the approaching end of the vehicle. And steady red/amber lights that means you are looking at the retreating end of the vehicle.

That seems strange to me due to the fact that there are lots of cars that use their turn signals as DRL and they are amber. How do they police that?
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That seems strange to me due to the fact that there are lots of cars that use their turn signals as DRL and they are amber. How do they police that?
Again, they police it only when they are in a labor dispute (Taylor Law). They can't legally go on strike, so they harass the general public with "full strict enforcement" on a number of issues. This is just one.

Sometime they go the other extreme, and start writing no tickets, and therefore, cutting off the fine income many places rely on.
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Again, they police it only when they are in a labor dispute (Taylor Law). They can't legally go on strike, so they harass the general public with "full strict enforcement" on a number of issues. This is just one.

Sometime they go the other extreme, and start writing no tickets, and therefore, cutting off the fine income many places rely on.
If they ever do that to you, PM me and I'll give you contact info for an expert witness.
That's BS.

Now, amber headlights or even yellow, that's another story. There is a model year range that can run selective yellow headlights (UN agreement because it was law in France/Belgium for quite some time) but that doesn't apply to a JK or most cars on the road.
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Here are my red one on a white JK. I used J.B Weld clearweld, it says clearest on the package, but it's not. When I mixed it, it came out creamy look so I put on the light and thought it would be clear when it dried, but not. And this thing smelled so terrible. I ended up bought the Permatex clear epoxy, it's much better and it's crystal clear. It doesn't have that strong smell like the J.B, I mixed it with three drops of red food coloring to cover up the creamy (white).

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Problem.

I haven't taken a spectrum analyzer to them yet so I'm not sure how bad it is or whether it renders them non-compliant yet.

RF and EM interference are big issues with vehicles these days. There are frequencies set aside for everything from air traffic to marine traffic to lane change detection to EMS/LEO to back up radar to remote start....
You get the picture.
So there are caps on what you can generate. Same with electromagnetic interference.
That's why Awitar was born:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_co...&v=DZ3kOZ5X-tk

I was stopped in traffic waiting for road construction the other day and listening to my county Sheriff radio traffic on the 2M radio. And the transmission was 10-1 with static.
Hmmmm. I wasn't far from the EOC repeater and should have a great signal ----- I thought it was due to RF from the construction team.
Then I took my foot off the brake and the static went away. Brake on, static; brake off, none. Interesting but not good.
This is in the 150 + MHz range, dedicated to EMS/LEO.

I have to find out the legal limits on spurious RF in this range and what else is coming out of the lights. I'll use one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogGOIiJmYTY
~Very~ interesting.

Thanks for this.

I'll be watching.
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~Very~ interesting.

Thanks for this.

I'll be watching.
I was wondering if anyone else would give a crap....

With impending doom on the horizon (autonomous vehicles), 5G just around the corner, this will be getting more tightly regulated.
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I was wondering if anyone else would give a crap....

With impending doom on the horizon (autonomous vehicles), 5G just around the corner, this will be getting more tightly regulated.
Simple enough though to add a filter.
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I was wondering if anyone else would give a crap....
So, I should not turn my signals on, if I am in a dynamite construction zone?
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I wish you guys would get back on topic and stay there.
Totally agree.
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Simple enough though to add a filter.
Ferrite choke might do it. But you have to know which end the noise is coming from.
As far as what it does/might interfere with, the OEs use mitigating technologies to filter out spurious signals ---- to an extent.
That's why I have to measure it. If it's doing something in besides 150 MHz, like in the 77 GHz range, that makes it more serious.


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I wish you guys would get back on topic and stay there.
Well, we are....
I don't just unbox something, call it pretty, and then endorse it. I test it. I did this to the JW Speaker and Trucklite products too but there was nothing to report.

I'm hoping that there's an easy fix. I still think they're neat lights. I just won't run them after I pull my numbers until they're safe to run.
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Well, we are....
I don't just unbox something, call it pretty, and then endorse it. I test it. I did this to the JW Speaker and Trucklite products too but there was nothing to report.

I'm hoping that there's an easy fix. I still think they're neat lights. I just won't run them after I pull my numbers until they're safe to run.[/QUOTE]


what do front lights have to do with the topic?
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what do front lights have to do with the topic?
They are discussing these tail lights. He states:
"Then I took my foot off the brake and the static went away. Brake on, static; brake off, none. Interesting but not good."

Not sure how much more "on topic" that could be personally. Yes, the static is in reference to his 2M radio, but the issue he is having is still being caused by the tails.
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what do front lights have to do with the topic?
We've only been discussing the tail lights.
I mentioned other lights from JWS and TL, head lights and tail lights, as a point of reference.

Besides. It's my thread...
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Besides. It's my thread...
Hay, be proud that your thread made it to page 9, before going off-topic on the topic of going off-topic.
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I'm interested to hear the updates, I have held off buying them for now, but they remain on my long list. I really do like the red lens, but I'd have to fill the side marker to be happy with it, and the frequency issues may kill it for me. I have enough CB issues, and scanner issues, I don't need to add more issues to the mix.
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I'm interested to hear the updates, I have held off buying them for now, but they remain on my long list. I really do like the red lens, but I'd have to fill the side marker to be happy with it, and the frequency issues may kill it for me. I have enough CB issues, and scanner issues, I don't need to add more issues to the mix.
I've had them around 10, 11, 20, & 40 meter and haven't had any noise.
I spoke with one of my RF engineer friends and he'll stop by with the spectrum analyzer. He's done some work with Google on the self-driving cars and is curious to see what's being transmitted. He doesn't think it would reach the serious 28 or 77 GHz areas or be strong enough to be illegal.
Annoying, for sure. But probably not illegal or dangerous.

I spend most of my time on 2M for SAR and for fun though. And that seems to be where the noise is right now. I want to see if it's doing anything when I transmit.
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Hilldweller (great respect for his input) made me pause but did not stop me. I purchased the clears and installed them while the wife was on the phone chatting. She still hasn't noticed. Any bets how long it will take?

Install was easy but the connectors were really a tight fit. Using a large pair of channel lock pliers is a good tool to use to compress them together. Secondly, secure the connector as mentioned previously. It will bang around if you don't. I used a large zip tie and ran it around the black electronic closure and secured the cable, right at the connector on the inside (towards tailgate) side.


It looks good, is somewhat unique and delivery was quick. Good customer service from BRP. Made in Taiwan, not China.
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BTW, I still haven't scanned them; my Jeep had a TIPM issue that was driving me nuts and is at the dealer awaiting a new one. Gotta love the MaxCare.

About those tight connectors. Use some dielectric grease or you won't be able to get them apart later. As @sandbaja1 states, they be a tight fit.
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I see on the BRP website they have a 2018 version coming out in April of this year. Does anyone know if these are a V3 version with any updates and/or improvements to them?
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The pictures look the same as the version I got. Better to call Robert and ask him.
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I see on the BRP website they have a 2018 version coming out in April of this year. Does anyone know if these are a V3 version with any updates and/or improvements to them?
Where did you see mention of V3?

I see they say "new for 2018", but that has been true since I bought mine. Also, they are out of stock right now, so I assume the reference to April is when their next shipment is expected.
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Where did you see mention of V3?

I see they say "new for 2018", but that has been true since I bought mine. Also, they are out of stock right now, so I assume the reference to April is when their next shipment is expected.
It was my assumption of a V3 version. I think I saw a member (Hilldweller maybe?) mention there have already had a V1 and V2 version. With all of the yabba yabba surrounding water leakage and the side led being filled in by some folks that maybe Spyder (or whomever really makes these) had addressed these issues. Hopefully Robert reads these threads and will respond.

Sometimes all it takes to scuttle newer products are some negative comments or reviews to make folks look at and buy other products.
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It was my assumption of a V3 version. I think I saw a member (Hilldweller maybe?) mention there have already had a V1 and V2 version. With all of the yabba yabba surrounding water leakage and the side led being filled in by some folks that maybe Spyder (or whomever really makes these) had addressed these issues. Hopefully Robert reads these threads and will respond.

Sometimes all it takes to scuttle newer products are some negative comments or reviews to make folks look at and buy other products.
I originally thought there might have been an earlier V1, but was corrected that the manufacturer considers their non-sequential tail light to be their V1.

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